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Week 2 vs Washington Football Team is a Must Win game

giantsfanforlife : 9/15/2021 2:17 pm
Crazy to say it this early in the season but Week 2 is a must win game for the giants. No one expected the Giants to lose like they did week 1 vs the Broncos. The defense played bad, play calling for the offense was terrible, & turning the football over at the worse moment. Jone is in his 3rd year and he can't keep making the same mistakes; he has to not go for the first read every time you throw the ball. The offensive line was the bright spot in week 1 vs Denver, but they only played against Von Miller and couldn't create holes in the run game. Gettleman continues to ignore the offensive line and his draft aint that far off from Jerry Reese who also drafted terrible.

The Giants have to win tomorrow's game vs the Football team if they want to survive this season. If they lose and start 0-2, chances of making the playoff is slim and people will be attacking Daniel Jones, Dave Gettleman, Patrick Graham, & Joe Judge. The schedule will get harder after the Falcons game and everyone in the division including the Eagles look better than us.

If the Giants win vs Redskin and beat the Falcons, they will start 2-1 and the fans and the team will feel confident they are in a good place and take it one game at a time. People can say its only 1 game, but the Giants are not a good football team for the past few years. Good teams like the Packers, Bills, Colts, & Titans will bounce back since they are a good team to overcome (The Giants are not in the same class as those teams yet).

I guarantee you if the giants win 5 to 6 game this season, Daniel Jones, Dave Gettleman, and Jason Garrett will all be gone (maybe Joe Judge also if the new GM wants his own coach). By that time we will be continuing the rebuild and won't be good in the coming years. There is a lot of ifs and buts with this team, all we can do is hope for the best and go from there.




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RE: Not really  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15367632 Eric from BBI said:
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if the Giants are tied for first place at 7-7 in December, how is this a must win game?


I had us going 0-2 on the way to ten wins, but if they don't take this one down to the wire with a good effort all around, I"m not going to feel confident in that anymore. The back half of the schedule does set up much better than the first half. But all people will see is 0-2 and cry about years past and say the second half of the season is fools gold if we finish with a winning record. The opponents matter too.
I see the point of making this a must win........  
GiantBlue : 9/15/2021 3:06 pm : link
Divisional Game: NFC and NFC EAST

Given the strong chance the Chargers can beat Dallas and the Niners can beat Philly....it would put us up in a tie for first place and game ahead of Dallas and Washington.

Confidence and rhythm. No-one wants to come back to the building for practice 0-2.

Incentivize the players to win the game with some time off this weekend.
RE: RE: Mentioned this yesterday, in no way is it a must-win game  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15367663 giantsfanforlife said:
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as long as we get to stay in the NFCE all season.

It is, however, a must-look better on both sides of the ball otherwise confidence level will be shaken, coaches will start amping things up and guys will start pressing and guessing.

None of which is good...



People keep saying Falcon is a must win game. Let say we lose tomorrow but beat Falcons with the record of 1-2, the only other game I see us winning is the panther. Going to the chiefs game with a record of 2-5. We be 2-6 and that's hard to overcome.


Teams that go 0-2 still have a 12% chance of making the playoffs and in a craptastic East and an extra wild card we probably have double that if that were to occur. Falcons are the real must win game then because if we can't beat them and start 0-3 the fuckin season is toast.
RE: RE: Mentioned this yesterday, in no way is it a must-win game  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15367663 giantsfanforlife said:
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In comment 15367643 Jimmy Googs said:


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as long as we get to stay in the NFCE all season.

It is, however, a must-look better on both sides of the ball otherwise confidence level will be shaken, coaches will start amping things up and guys will start pressing and guessing.

None of which is good...



People keep saying Falcon is a must win game. Let say we lose tomorrow but beat Falcons with the record of 1-2, the only other game I see us winning is the panther. Going to the chiefs game with a record of 2-5. We be 2-6 and that's hard to overcome.


NFL is a week-to-week thing. A ton of things happen each week that change the outcomes of who wins and who loses that very week and the next. Every QB in our division went down last year for instance.

Every game is important but when you play in the NFCE and 7 wins won the division last year, week 2 simply cannot be a must-win game...
Its not a must win. But if they can't beat a team starting their  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/15/2021 3:18 pm : link
backup QB with only four days practice, who are they going to beat? The Falcons at home maybe, I don't think the Eagles are that good as much as the Falcons are bad. They wont' be favored against the Panthers. Then the schedule really gets hard.

If they don't beat Washington, or at least compete, this could be a dreadful season.
Since the 12 team playoff structure was introduced  
Les in TO : 9/15/2021 3:21 pm : link
88% of 0-2 teams miss the playoffs. So yeah, I would say it’s a must win game or the chances of the Giants making the playoffs become very low (not to mention how demoralizing it would be to a team they’ve had recent success against and a backup QB)
RE: Since the 12 team playoff structure was introduced  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2021 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15367691 Les in TO said:
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88% of 0-2 teams miss the playoffs. So yeah, I would say it’s a must win game or the chances of the Giants making the playoffs become very low (not to mention how demoralizing it would be to a team they’ve had recent success against and a backup QB)


Well with the extra team and the craptistic East, our odds go up a bit. Beat the Falcons and I'd say you are looking at 50-50 odds depending on how the next two shake out. The back half of the schedule is much easier as things stand today. Of course with a blowout loss against WFT and squeek out against the Falcons might as well throw in the towel.
The 2007 season they started 0-2  
stoneman : 9/15/2021 3:32 pm : link
with the defense giving up 80 points - you just gotta win the next 6 games, that's all.
No, it s not  
joeinpa : 9/15/2021 3:43 pm : link
You never know when a team might jell, sometimes they don’t. But when/if they do, all of a sudden games you never imagine they could win, become winnable.

It s why I keep watching and investing in the team until they are eliminated from contention.

I might be in the minority, but I really enjoyed the Dallas win, last season and was excited for a chance at the playoffs.

A win Thursday is really important, but not a must win in my opinion
OP used banned "absolute" language  
Thegratefulhead : 9/15/2021 3:50 pm : link
Change the OP statement.

If the Giants lose on Thursday, it is very unlikely they make the playoffs in 2021.

Evidence.

Actual NFL history since they expanded the playoff pool.

~12% of teams that start 0-2 make the postseason.

I am not wrong.
I feel its a must win.....so not be buried early  
George from PA : 9/15/2021 4:11 pm : link
Winning WFT and Atlanta are winnable games.

Playing NO and the Rams are far less winnable....and Dallas away will be tough...

So if we lose to WFT....1-5 is likely

If we lose to Atlanta....0-6 is likely

RE: The 2007 season they started 0-2  
giantsfanforlife : 9/15/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15367706 stoneman said:
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with the defense giving up 80 points - you just gotta win the next 6 games, that's all.


First of all we not the same team as the 2007 Giants. They have a good offensive line, good defensive line, and linebackers. They were able to run the ball consistently, so far we haven't.

Second, saying winning the next 6 games is not easy as it sounds. There no guarantee that will happen. If you look at the schedule beside the falcon and panthers, we have the rams, chiefs, saints, and cowboys (And they are tough).
RE: RE: Since the 12 team playoff structure was introduced  
giantsfanforlife : 9/15/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15367699 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15367691 Les in TO said:


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88% of 0-2 teams miss the playoffs. So yeah, I would say it’s a must win game or the chances of the Giants making the playoffs become very low (not to mention how demoralizing it would be to a team they’ve had recent success against and a backup QB)



Well with the extra team and the craptistic East, our odds go up a bit. Beat the Falcons and I'd say you are looking at 50-50 odds depending on how the next two shake out. The back half of the schedule is much easier as things stand today. Of course with a blowout loss against WFT and squeek out against the Falcons might as well throw in the towel.



I agree that with the extra spot and how our division has been we have a chance. I expect the NFC East will be much better this season than last year and you are right that team can change week to week. The thing that concern me is the development of Daniel Jones and the offensive line. The defense was terrible but we do have the players to be better. Until I see that getting better, there is a lot of doubt. Jones and Gettleman are on the hot seat this season and how we do will determine that.
RE: RE: The 2007 season they started 0-2  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15367751 giantsfanforlife said:
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with the defense giving up 80 points - you just gotta win the next 6 games, that's all.



First of all we not the same team as the 2007 Giants. They have a good offensive line, good defensive line, and linebackers. They were able to run the ball consistently, so far we haven't.

Second, saying winning the next 6 games is not easy as it sounds. There no guarantee that will happen. If you look at the schedule beside the falcon and panthers, we have the rams, chiefs, saints, and cowboys (And they are tough).


There's no guarantee this NY Giant team will win its next 6 games in a row? That seems like you're being just a bit pessimistic...
Every game is a must-win game.  
fivehead : 9/15/2021 4:26 pm : link
If you don't play with that attitude, you end up being losers for a decade straight.
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ryanmkeane : 9/15/2021 4:35 pm : link
if the Giants lose this game, the media will come crashing down on them. That's more so the factor than the season being over or it being a must win.
RE: ....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15367777 ryanmkeane said:
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if the Giants lose this game, the media will come crashing down on them. That's more so the factor than the season being over or it being a must win.


So what? Most of you all think the media comes crashing down on them already, so if that winds up being the case then nobody should be able to tell anyway...
Most?  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 4:48 pm : link
No.
Well, maybe I am thinking of the ones that post opinions...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 4:55 pm : link
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RE: Well, maybe I am thinking of the ones that post opinions...  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15367789 Jimmy Googs said:
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I noticed you failed to answer my question last night where I asked what I have not opined
That's for you to decide yourself...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:03 pm : link
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The 2007  
Les in TO : 9/15/2021 5:03 pm : link
Giants - new defensive coordinator had a slow start. Garrett and Graham are both returning, there are no new systems that the team needs to learn .

The 07 team made the playoffs the previous two years and many of the key players with that winning mentality in their short term memory were on the 07 squad. Only Shepard remains from the last playoff season for the Giants.
RE: That's for you to decide yourself...  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15367798 Jimmy Googs said:
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Once again making a claim that you can't back up. Putting your money where your mouth is not a philosophy you believe in...
Makes no sense...discuss opinions you haven't given?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:09 pm : link
not interesting, nor interested in the dialogue.
It makes plenty  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:10 pm : link
Of sense. You made a claim that you can't back up. If you don't like getting called out to back up your claims maybe shut it?
Thanks for your cooperation
Here  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:16 pm : link
Let me give you an example.
It is my opinion that you are the same person as nygGolfer and chick310, and were LBH15. Now I can't prove it, so you can tell me to shove it.

It's quite easy.
Don't recall making any specific claims.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:16 pm : link
And unless I am missing something, its you following me around to ask questions. Exit anytime you want...
RE: Don't recall making any specific claims.  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15367809 Jimmy Googs said:
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And unless I am missing something, its you following me around to ask questions. Exit anytime you want...


Lol. Don't be so sensitive.
You made the claim  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:22 pm : link
That I don't have opinions on anything Giants related. That's quite specific.
Again, not all that interesting but I will tell you no and  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:23 pm : link
ask how you do not having anything better to do with your posts.

Oh, and that's a rhetoric...
RE: Again, not all that interesting but I will tell you no and  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15367816 Jimmy Googs said:
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ask how you do not having anything better to do with your posts.

Oh, and that's a rhetoric...


Because you're worth it?
RE: You made the claim  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15367815 crick n NC said:
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That I don't have opinions on anything Giants related. That's quite specific.


When did I do that? Show me.

And hopefully you aren't going into the archives and changing the names on old posts like your buddy did...
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BrettNYG10 : 9/15/2021 5:26 pm : link
I agree. I don't think this team is good enough to go 10-5, especially with how hard the schedule gets in the middle of the season.

It will also say a lot that you can't beat two ~average football teams in the Broncos/Redskins. Lose to the Falcons and the season is really over.
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crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:28 pm : link
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Well, maybe I am thinking of the ones that post opinions...
Jimmy Googs : 4:55 pm : link : reply


You also made this claim last night.

Look up in this thread

RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15367823 crick n NC said:
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Well, maybe I am thinking of the ones that post opinions...
Jimmy Googs : 4:55 pm : link : reply



You also made this claim last night.

Look up in this thread


This is a pretty general comment about posters and their views of a biased media. Not following your issue...
You have no  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:33 pm : link
balls.
RE: You have no  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15367828 crick n NC said:
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balls.


Regarding what?...you're quite a mess right now for no apparent reason.
RE: RE: You have no  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15367829 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15367828 crick n NC said:


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balls.



Regarding what?...you're quite a mess right now for no apparent reason.


I see your posts are getting better.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 5:47 pm : link
Again, exit anytime you like since your addressing/accusing me for whatever reason...
RE: Here  
chick310 : 9/15/2021 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15367808 crick n NC said:
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Let me give you an example.
It is my opinion that you are the same person as nygGolfer and chick310, and were LBH15. Now I can't prove it, so you can tell me to shove it.

It's quite easy.


This would be incorrect Inspector Clouseau. The drama never stops from some.

And if he didn’t already, let me tell you to shove it.

RE: between 11% and 12%  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15367629 Thegratefulhead said:
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of team that starts 0-2 make the playoffs. The counter argument will be that someone will bring up an outlier team that was 0-2 won the Superbowl. I didn't forget. Using outlier data as evidence to support a viewpoint is the reasoning of a child.

It isn't the nail in the coffin but 0-2 isn't a good spot to be historically in the NFL.


Yeah, but this is a 17 games season... ;)
RE: RE: Here  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15367935 chick310 said:
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In comment 15367808 crick n NC said:


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Let me give you an example.
It is my opinion that you are the same person as nygGolfer and chick310, and were LBH15. Now I can't prove it, so you can tell me to shove it.

It's quite easy.



This would be incorrect Inspector Clouseau. The drama never stops from some.

And if he didn’t already, let me tell you to shove it.


Haha, agree Chick310.

Would suggest crick is just having a tough time of it lately as tries to replace his buddy, the archivist...
Must win games come at the end of the season  
gogiants : 9/15/2021 8:56 pm : link
not the start. This is just hyperbole.
RE: RE: Not really  
GMen72 : 9/15/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15367642 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15367632 Eric from BBI said:


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if the Giants are tied for first place at 7-7 in December, how is this a must win game?

This.

Fans are very emotional and reactive. That's what it means to be a fan. But there are no must-win games in September. Better to win than lose, and we all hate being 0-2 (so, so tired of that) but the season's not over at 0-2 — though there will be lots of rage-posts on BBI insisting that it is, and that everyone should go.

Maybe everyone should go but losing this game won't be the reason.


If the Giants lose this week, then somehow beat ATL and Carolina, they'll most likely be 2-6 after 8 games. Then they're going 5-1 in the next 6? Zero chance that happens...7-7 is a pipe dream.

This is a must win game, with a chance to go 2-1 before a VERY tough stretch. Lose this one, this team is headed for 2-6 or 1-7.
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Scooter185 : 9/15/2021 11:00 pm : link
It's not actually a must win game, but it certainly has the feeling that if it's a repeat of the bronco's game things could get ugly fast
RE: RE: RE: Not really  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15368156 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15367642 81_Great_Dane said:


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In comment 15367632 Eric from BBI said:


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if the Giants are tied for first place at 7-7 in December, how is this a must win game?

This.

Fans are very emotional and reactive. That's what it means to be a fan. But there are no must-win games in September. Better to win than lose, and we all hate being 0-2 (so, so tired of that) but the season's not over at 0-2 — though there will be lots of rage-posts on BBI insisting that it is, and that everyone should go.

Maybe everyone should go but losing this game won't be the reason.



If the Giants lose this week, then somehow beat ATL and Carolina, they'll most likely be 2-6 after 8 games. Then they're going 5-1 in the next 6? Zero chance that happens...7-7 is a pipe dream.

This is a must win game, with a chance to go 2-1 before a VERY tough stretch. Lose this one, this team is headed for 2-6 or 1-7.
gotta agree with you man.

That said if the Giants lose this week and win the next six games they will be 6-2…
…So there’s that.
Division road game?  
trueblueinpw : 9/15/2021 11:03 pm : link
This isn’t a game anyone should have penciled in as a gimme. It’s not a must win and I sure would not count on it being a get right game for Big Blue.

In fact, there’s only one thing we can say for sure about this game and it’s that Bob Papa and Carl Banks will complain about the lousy location of the Giants radio broadcast booth. Expect a hard fought division battle between two rivals. But win or loose, the season is still far too young for a must win game.
As far as the season goes? No  
montanagiant : 9/15/2021 11:08 pm : link
As far as the sanity of this board? YES!
flat.......  
thrunthrublue : 9/15/2021 11:26 pm : link
they came out flat......then got flatter. flat defense, offense, coaching, front office....they put the F in flat. no one on this site could come up with the cash needed to cover those first game's checks.....and did any of them rip up those loser's checks? I think not.....more frightening......they know they get the same amount..... 16 more game checks, for the same effort and outcome. this is some very scary pre halloween flashlight under the chin storytelling.......welcome to DG's 2021 New York football giants. if things continue like this the top wish with kids on santa's lap will indeed be: FIRE D.G!
Must win No  
Giants73 : 9/16/2021 7:09 am : link
But they have to show some aggression, cannot stand to watch a soft zone again and short passing game again. Take some chances, stop playing not to lose. If they play like Sunday, this will be one of the hardest Giants teams to watch. At this point Handley’s giants were more fun to watch.
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