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Daniel Jones was the least pressured starting QB in Week 1

shadow_spinner0 : 9/15/2021 5:44 pm
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Daniel Jones was the least pressured starting QB in Week 1 at 4.5% according to
@pfref.

He also had the 7th most pocket time.

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Greg from LI : 9/15/2021 8:59 pm : link
The week after that - the 20191 season finale versus Philly, 301 yards
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Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 9:02 pm : link
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I actually think Jones goes through his progressions well. Don’t think that’s ever been the issue.



Really...you think DJ sees the field well and goes thru his progressions in a expedited manner?

I agree with him. Jones really isn’t the “bad QB” people are making him out to be. Garrett is TERRIBLE.


GoDeep - i dont think Jones is bad either. But there is nothing wrong with supporting a player but discussing key areas of development that are needed.

There is no reason why we can't say Jones should be the starting NYG QB in 2021 but he has to be better/quicker reading the field.

There is no reason we can't say Dak Prescott hasn't won anything but he certainly looks to be one of the top 10 QBs in the league.

There is no reason we can't say Justin Herbert has a lot to prove but he looked to be in control versus WFT and threw ropes all around that field on Sunday.

Is there?
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Producer : 9/15/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15368025 Jimmy Googs said:
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I actually think Jones goes through his progressions well. Don’t think that’s ever been the issue.



Really...you think DJ sees the field well and goes thru his progressions in a expedited manner?

I agree with him. Jones really isn’t the “bad QB” people are making him out to be. Garrett is TERRIBLE.



GoDeep - i dont think Jones is bad either. But there is nothing wrong with supporting a player but discussing key areas of development that are needed.

There is no reason why we can't say Jones should be the starting NYG QB in 2021 but he has to be better/quicker reading the field.

There is no reason we can't say Dak Prescott hasn't won anything but he certainly looks to be one of the top 10 QBs in the league.

There is no reason we can't say Justin Herbert has a lot to prove but he looked to be in control versus WFT and threw ropes all around that field on Sunday.

Is there?


Googs.. Jones is bad.
Googs  
ryanmkeane : 9/15/2021 9:18 pm : link
if anything, he stays too long in the pocket. He’s fine at progressions - case in point the throw he makes to the sideline from the opposite hash from time to time to a wide open WR, that’s not the first read. He’s fine with that stuff. It’s when he just waits too long to make a decision that screws things up. It’s almost like he hasn’t figured out that you can scramble after your second read is done. He sits back there because he can take a hit, but you gotta just be quicker.
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Producer : 9/15/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15368040 ryanmkeane said:
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if anything, he stays too long in the pocket. He’s fine at progressions - case in point the throw he makes to the sideline from the opposite hash from time to time to a wide open WR, that’s not the first read. He’s fine with that stuff. It’s when he just waits too long to make a decision that screws things up. It’s almost like he hasn’t figured out that you can scramble after your second read is done. He sits back there because he can take a hit, but you gotta just be quicker.


He does not seem to be good at progressions. He locks onto receivers. He is ok finding the safety valve on occasion. One of his best plays is rolling right on a busted play and finding Slayton down the sideline. That's a play he has done well many times. But sitting in the pocket scanning his options, and letting loose in less than four seconds, He can't do it on a consistent basis. Plus he is slow to process and slow to release.
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Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 9:28 pm : link
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I actually think Jones goes through his progressions well. Don’t think that’s ever been the issue.



Really...you think DJ sees the field well and goes thru his progressions in a expedited manner?

I agree with him. Jones really isn’t the “bad QB” people are making him out to be. Garrett is TERRIBLE.



GoDeep - i dont think Jones is bad either. But there is nothing wrong with supporting a player but discussing key areas of development that are needed.

There is no reason why we can't say Jones should be the starting NYG QB in 2021 but he has to be better/quicker reading the field.

There is no reason we can't say Dak Prescott hasn't won anything but he certainly looks to be one of the top 10 QBs in the league.

There is no reason we can't say Justin Herbert has a lot to prove but he looked to be in control versus WFT and threw ropes all around that field on Sunday.

Is there?



Googs.. Jones is bad.


I simply am not there yet. He is in such a bad situation it is insane.

I really want DJ to be able to rise above the weak roster of players that moron GM gave him on Offense, and the obvious drab play-calling he is provided by Garrett. He may never get there, I know. But this team isn't doing anything yet anyway so I can wait it out for a few months.

With DJ's failure, does come some good upstairs.

Though, I do ask from time to time...what are we doing?
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Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15368040 ryanmkeane said:
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if anything, he stays too long in the pocket. He’s fine at progressions - case in point the throw he makes to the sideline from the opposite hash from time to time to a wide open WR, that’s not the first read. He’s fine with that stuff. It’s when he just waits too long to make a decision that screws things up. It’s almost like he hasn’t figured out that you can scramble after your second read is done. He sits back there because he can take a hit, but you gotta just be quicker.


Generally fair statements but not aligned with saying he is "fine" with progressions if it takes him too long to get thru it.

Read, react and make a decisive throw/scramble. You don't get the luxury of time behind that OL...wake up.
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Producer : 9/15/2021 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15368054 Jimmy Googs said:
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I actually think Jones goes through his progressions well. Don’t think that’s ever been the issue.



Really...you think DJ sees the field well and goes thru his progressions in a expedited manner?

I agree with him. Jones really isn’t the “bad QB” people are making him out to be. Garrett is TERRIBLE.



GoDeep - i dont think Jones is bad either. But there is nothing wrong with supporting a player but discussing key areas of development that are needed.

There is no reason why we can't say Jones should be the starting NYG QB in 2021 but he has to be better/quicker reading the field.

There is no reason we can't say Dak Prescott hasn't won anything but he certainly looks to be one of the top 10 QBs in the league.

There is no reason we can't say Justin Herbert has a lot to prove but he looked to be in control versus WFT and threw ropes all around that field on Sunday.

Is there?



Googs.. Jones is bad.



I simply am not there yet. He is in such a bad situation it is insane.

I really want DJ to be able to rise above the weak roster of players that moron GM gave him on Offense, and the obvious drab play-calling he is provided by Garrett. He may never get there, I know. But this team isn't doing anything yet anyway so I can wait it out for a few months.

With DJ's failure, does come some good upstairs.

Though, I do ask from time to time...what are we doing?


But part of what makes this situation bad is that he lacks the talent to ball out and make plays on a consistent basis. And if he is going to make mistakes, like he habitually does, then he needs to make up for it by throwing 3, 4, 5 TDs. We scored 7 points last week. This is bananas. He plays like a backup. All he has flashed is decent athletic ability and the occasional pretty pass. The main problem with our organization is that they are not accepting what Jones is. And we are waiting for some unknown, magic moment when we have seen enough. We have seen enough. even if he has a good game or two, it's obvious this kid is not elite. The kid is not a baller.
That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 9:43 pm : link
and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...
RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Producer : 9/15/2021 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15368077 Jimmy Googs said:
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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...


Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..
RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Scooter185 : 9/15/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15368089 Producer said:
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In comment 15368077 Jimmy Googs said:


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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..


According to many here he's Goldie Locks, and it's unfair to say anything negative about him until his situation is juuuuuust right
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Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15368113 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15368077 Jimmy Googs said:


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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



According to many here he's Goldie Locks, and it's unfair to say anything negative about him until his situation is juuuuuust right
i’d be willing to bet there is less than one person that believes this.

Stop being an asshole because people don’t agree with you.
RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Bill in UT : 9/15/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15368089 Producer said:
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In comment 15368077 Jimmy Googs said:


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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..


Drafting Mac Jones would have resulted in a total shitshow on BBI
RE: RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Bill in UT : 9/15/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15368129 Bill in UT said:
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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



Drafting Mac Jones would have resulted in a total shitshow on BBI


He was a field manager, no arm talent, no mobility stiff who benefitted from the Alabama talent surrounding him
RE: RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Bill in UT : 9/15/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15368129 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15368077 Jimmy Googs said:


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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



Drafting Mac Jones would have resulted in a total shitshow on BBI


He was a field manager, no arm talent, no mobility stiff who benefitted from the Alabama talent surrounding him
Probably right but…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 10:17 pm : link
… you don’t need BBI to be a fan.

There is good content here. Take the negativity with a grain of salt most of it is just emotional outbursts.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Producer : 9/15/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15368134 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15368129 Bill in UT said:


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In comment 15368089 Producer said:


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In comment 15368077 Jimmy Googs said:


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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



Drafting Mac Jones would have resulted in a total shitshow on BBI



He was a field manager, no arm talent, no mobility stiff who benefitted from the Alabama talent surrounding him


You may be right about that. Though there was significant buzz about Mac when it was rumored that SF traded up for him, which I never believed. But he has looked good. he is exceedingly accurate, has football smarts, and seems to process quickly. With these three traits he may well overcome his limited athletic traits. I think that would have been the story, if we drafted him.
RE: Probably right but…  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2021 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15368136 Brown_Hornet said:
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… you don’t need BBI to be a fan.

There is good content here. Take the negativity with a grain of salt most of it is just emotional outbursts.


im not sure there's enough salt.

RE: RE: note to self...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/15/2021 10:21 pm : link
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stop visiting BBI until game 8 :P



You have a point there.


Ah...The higher the horse, the bigger the fall fellas...
RE: He was on the sideline for 3 hours  
Matt M. : 9/15/2021 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15367872 George from PA said:
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That's not all on the D. That's on him and the O for not sustaining any drives themselves and then fumbling the ball away when they finally did.
Jones isn't bad. But, unfortunately, he also isn't good.  
Matt M. : 9/15/2021 10:28 pm : link
All we heard all off season was just give him time. Well, he had time and produced 1 TD until garbage time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Scooter185 : 9/15/2021 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15368127 Brown_Hornet said:
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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



According to many here he's Goldie Locks, and it's unfair to say anything negative about him until his situation is juuuuuust right

i’d be willing to bet there is less than one person that believes this.

Stop being an asshole because people don’t agree with you.


Stop sticking your head in the sand. There's been myriads of posts enumerating why they believe Jones can't be evaluated. And when you distill it down the premise is always the same: we can't criticize Jones because X, Y, Z are also bad. He needs X, Y, Z changed first.

He's Goldie Locks
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PatersonPlank : 9/15/2021 10:38 pm : link
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I actually think Jones goes through his progressions well. Don’t think that’s ever been the issue.



Really...you think DJ sees the field well and goes thru his progressions in a expedited manner?

I agree with him. Jones really isn’t the “bad QB” people are making him out to be. Garrett is TERRIBLE.


I agree with him too. The announcers pointed out several times when he went through progressions, or looked off a safety. I will also stand by that if he didn't fumble, which granted was awful, he had a pretty good day.
RE: He was on the sideline for 3 hours  
kes722 : 9/15/2021 10:41 pm : link
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LOLOLOLOL
Maybe it's not pocket pressure  
santacruzom : 9/15/2021 10:41 pm : link
The article is referring to, but rather pressure to perform because of his limitless job security.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 10:44 pm : link
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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



According to many here he's Goldie Locks, and it's unfair to say anything negative about him until his situation is juuuuuust right

i’d be willing to bet there is less than one person that believes this.

Stop being an asshole because people don’t agree with you.



Stop sticking your head in the sand. There's been myriads of posts enumerating why they believe Jones can't be evaluated. And when you distill it down the premise is always the same: we can't criticize Jones because X, Y, Z are also bad. He needs X, Y, Z changed first.

He's Goldie Locks
No, pretty sure you’re just being an asshole.

Suggesting that the receivers haven’t gotten separation or that the office of line has been bad it’s not excuses… it’s reality.
If you really look back at the posts that you’re referring to you’ll see that there is criticism of Daniel Jones by the same people that continue to support Daniel Jones.
Even those that believe that he needs this and he needs that also recognize that he needs to play better than he has.

The difference is that some people are looking forward to seeing if he can do that and some people don’t want to see him on the field anymore.

The coaching staff has made it clear that Daniel Jones is the starting quarterback.
So be a fan or not but it’s not going to change the fact Daniel Jones is the quarterback that this particular coaching staff believes in.
You can root for the Giants quarterback or not.
Jones flat out stinks  
xman : 9/15/2021 10:44 pm : link
Plays like he needs a seeing eye dog. Maybe he will have an epiphany but that is looking like a long shot.
Wait...Wait...Wait...  
GMen72 : 9/15/2021 10:48 pm : link
All I read on here is that Jones only sucks because the OLine sucks? Now, we find out the line actually protected him pretty well? Hmmmmmm...
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Joey in VA : 9/15/2021 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15368022 Greg from LI said:
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The week after that - the 20191 season finale versus Philly, 301 yards
That was a great show!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: That's all fine and good. But it's September 2021  
Scooter185 : 9/15/2021 10:53 pm : link
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and free agency and the draft for other QBs is next Spring. And we have two first round picks to play with if the Draft has some prospects or if we want to use them to trade for a current NFL QB.

There is nothing to do right now but let it play out...



Of course. Daniel Jones is the best QB we have now and he needs to start. Personally, I would have thought about drafting Fields or Mac Jones. I would have started the succession. I don't fear QB competition. If your QB can't handle the heat of fair competition, how's he gonna handle a top D like the Bucs in January. He's a QB, not a prince..



According to many here he's Goldie Locks, and it's unfair to say anything negative about him until his situation is juuuuuust right

i’d be willing to bet there is less than one person that believes this.

Stop being an asshole because people don’t agree with you.



Stop sticking your head in the sand. There's been myriads of posts enumerating why they believe Jones can't be evaluated. And when you distill it down the premise is always the same: we can't criticize Jones because X, Y, Z are also bad. He needs X, Y, Z changed first.

He's Goldie Locks

No, pretty sure you’re just being an asshole.

Suggesting that the receivers haven’t gotten separation or that the office of line has been bad it’s not excuses… it’s reality.
If you really look back at the posts that you’re referring to you’ll see that there is criticism of Daniel Jones by the same people that continue to support Daniel Jones.
Even those that believe that he needs this and he needs that also recognize that he needs to play better than he has.

The difference is that some people are looking forward to seeing if he can do that and some people don’t want to see him on the field anymore.

The coaching staff has made it clear that Daniel Jones is the starting quarterback.
So be a fan or not but it’s not going to change the fact Daniel Jones is the quarterback that this particular coaching staff believes in.
You can root for the Giants quarterback or not.


I didn't say the word excuses. My point was and always has been that Jones play can be evaluated separately from all of that, and that he's never going to have a perfect situation.

But he apparently already has a better situation and already posters are going "but Jason Garrett" as a means to once again deflect from actually evaluating Jones play.
We agree there…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 10:59 pm : link
… i’m a little bit soured on JG and I think DJ needs to play better.

That said my choices are to trust the Giants coaching staff or not.

What that means is I can either enjoy the games as they come or I can let my emotions control how I feel.

I want the Giants to win every week but I’m not in the building on the practice field or privy to the game plan.

It’s like when people tell us the Daniel Jones Locsin on one receiver and they have no idea if he actually locks in on one receiver.
Most passing plays are designed to go to one side of the field for the simple reason that in the NFL you only have about three seconds to make a decision and pull the trigger.
Of course there are exceptions if they’re running mesh concepts..Of course there are exceptions if they’re running mesh concep… bottom line the people who are making bold statements don’t really know what they’re looking at.
I appreciate that fans are picking up nuances of the game and stating what they think they see, but let’s not get it twisted, 90%of Giants fans have no idea if Daniel Jones is bird dogging anybody.
RE: We agree there…  
Producer : 9/15/2021 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15368172 Brown_Hornet said:
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… i’m a little bit soured on JG and I think DJ needs to play better.

That said my choices are to trust the Giants coaching staff or not.

What that means is I can either enjoy the games as they come or I can let my emotions control how I feel.

I want the Giants to win every week but I’m not in the building on the practice field or privy to the game plan.

It’s like when people tell us the Daniel Jones Locsin on one receiver and they have no idea if he actually locks in on one receiver.
Most passing plays are designed to go to one side of the field for the simple reason that in the NFL you only have about three seconds to make a decision and pull the trigger.
Of course there are exceptions if they’re running mesh concepts..Of course there are exceptions if they’re running mesh concep… bottom line the people who are making bold statements don’t really know what they’re looking at.
I appreciate that fans are picking up nuances of the game and stating what they think they see, but let’s not get it twisted, 90%of Giants fans have no idea if Daniel Jones is bird dogging anybody.


ok.. but the results also kind of speak to his limited ability as QB. And his miscues. And the losses. The data is there if you want to be open to it. I understand that you don't enjoy the games if you think negatively about the team. For me, I don't enjoy when my teams are managed poorly. I want them to make getting great players a priority. I want to root for great players who are Giants. Don't you want that? Daniel Jones is unlikely to ever be a great player. Let's get the next Patrick Mahomes, rather than trying to win with a bad QB.
RE: Probably right but…  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15368136 Brown_Hornet said:
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… you don’t need BBI to be a fan.

There is good content here. Take the negativity with a grain of salt most of it is just emotional outbursts.


Or just blabbering comments from biased posters....
RE: We agree there…  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15368172 Brown_Hornet said:
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… i’m a little bit soured on JG and I think DJ needs to play better.

That said my choices are to trust the Giants coaching staff or not.

What that means is I can either enjoy the games as they come or I can let my emotions control how I feel.

I want the Giants to win every week but I’m not in the building on the practice field or privy to the game plan.

It’s like when people tell us the Daniel Jones Locsin on one receiver and they have no idea if he actually locks in on one receiver.
Most passing plays are designed to go to one side of the field for the simple reason that in the NFL you only have about three seconds to make a decision and pull the trigger.
Of course there are exceptions if they’re running mesh concepts..Of course there are exceptions if they’re running mesh concep… bottom line the people who are making bold statements don’t really know what they’re looking at.
I appreciate that fans are picking up nuances of the game and stating what they think they see, but let’s not get it twisted, 90%of Giants fans have no idea if Daniel Jones is bird dogging anybody.


But just call everybody an asshole, and try and convince them that you aren’t...
I must not of been clear…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 11:20 pm : link
… my enjoying the games has nothing to do with negativity.
It has to do with the fact that I love the game and I love to turn on the TV and see my team competing.
I expect the Giants to win regardless of whether or not they have the best quarterback in the league.
The Giants have won four Super Bowls since I graduated from high school and they never had the best quarterback in the league or the best running back or the best receivers.
I believe the Giants are trying to get the best players in that they can.

I root for the name on the helmet not the name on the jersey. I am well aware of the Daniel Jones is not Patrick Mahomes and likely never will be… but he is the quarterback of the team that I root for so I root for him until he’s gone.

Then do it without calling everybody an asshole.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:24 pm : link
Is that a problem?
RE: I must not of been clear…  
Producer : 9/15/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15368193 Brown_Hornet said:
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… my enjoying the games has nothing to do with negativity.
It has to do with the fact that I love the game and I love to turn on the TV and see my team competing.
I expect the Giants to win regardless of whether or not they have the best quarterback in the league.
The Giants have won four Super Bowls since I graduated from high school and they never had the best quarterback in the league or the best running back or the best receivers.
I believe the Giants are trying to get the best players in that they can.

I root for the name on the helmet not the name on the jersey. I am well aware of the Daniel Jones is not Patrick Mahomes and likely never will be… but he is the quarterback of the team that I root for so I root for him until he’s gone.


I don't blame you. There was a minute on Sunday when he hit Slayton for the big gainer, the free play, that I thought wow, that was a baller play. Maybe I was wrong. But that was the outlier. He was pretty poor the rest of the day.
I don't think Jones is good  
Bear vs Shark : 9/15/2021 11:37 pm : link
but I also think it's absolutely crazy to say he was the least pressured starting QB in week 1, and it completely deceives what my eyeballs saw.
RE: RE: I must not have been clear…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15368205 Producer said:
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In comment 15368193 Brown_Hornet said:


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… my enjoying the games has nothing to do with negativity.
It has to do with the fact that I love the game and I love to turn on the TV and see my team competing.
I expect the Giants to win regardless of whether or not they have the best quarterback in the league.
The Giants have won four Super Bowls since I graduated from high school and they never had the best quarterback in the league or the best running back or the best receivers.
I believe the Giants are trying to get the best players in that they can.

I root for the name on the helmet not the name on the jersey. I am well aware of the Daniel Jones is not Patrick Mahomes and likely never will be… but he is the quarterback of the team that I root for so I root for him until he’s gone.




I don't blame you. There was a minute on Sunday when he hit Slayton for the big gainer, the free play, that I thought wow, that was a baller play. Maybe I was wrong. But that was the outlier. He was pretty poor the rest of the day.
well thank you but I hope that you don’t blame me… I didn’t play on Sunday.

He has to play better…the whole team has to play better, but it’s not going to ruin my enthusiasm after one game.

Every season is brand new. 25-34 means nothing to me and I hope that JJ isn’t thinking about it either.
(probably a good idea if ownership is paying attention to that record though…)

It only takes a quick glance to the opposite  
greatgrandpa : 9/16/2021 12:08 am : link
Side to freeze the safety and linebacker. If a QB has time to pat the ball before he throws he has time for a ‘look off’ Either Jones is being coached poorly or he is just not getting it. It’s one or the other This is his third season. He’s a top ten pick. He handles the ball every play. He is the QB. He should be carrying this team not riding along as Garret’s game manager

I’m getting too old for this
I still didn't understand why the coaching staff didn't let him play..  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/16/2021 12:19 am : link
in the first two pre-season games. It's not like he's an infallible superstar QB or anything. He's a prospect in his 3rd season. So far he's been a damned disaster. A QB who has trouble holding onto the ball.
He's sort of like that catcher in the Major League movies who couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher.
The Giants still don't have a starting QB on their team. They have butterfingers Jones and that pencil-necked stiff who's about as mobile as a pylon.
Thanks Gettleman, here's your pink slip, now get lost!
It does not take some nuanced, next level understanding  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2021 6:27 am : link
Of football to see whether a QB is using his eyes to look off defenders or if he is indeed locking on to his target. Even broadcast angle cameras can shown you a QB's eyes and head motion from snap to throw. It was shown on TV Sunday.
It would be great  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/16/2021 7:02 am : link
To watch a game and after think... man our QB was rushed all game, he had terrible play calls, his receivers got no separation, and we couldn't run the ball, but man, he just made things happen! He's unreal, moving around, making plays with his feet, moving safeties with his eyes... and man, he just got the ball in the end-zone just enough to win...

Instead of...

Well, we needed Jupiter & Mars & Saturn to align with the moon for our QB to be successful, but Jupiter was off just a touch, so we only scored 7 pts.
People should go listen  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/16/2021 7:25 am : link
to the interviews that Mara had after Eli was benched and what his responses were.

Anyone not recognizing Eli was going to play out his last two years is not being sensible imv. Once you understand that you can at least understand the reasoning for Dave's first year with his picks and FA signings.
Average QB At Best  
Jeffrey : 9/16/2021 8:16 am : link
Kid still locks on receivers, is not accurate on short and medium passes and tries so hard at times that he makes bad decisions involving ball security. What I cannot figure out is the QB option or the bootleg are plays that are tailor made for this kid and yet we see them very rarely. Is the problem the fear of an injury or are the Giants saying that he is less accurate on the move than standing in the pocket. Seems to be an incredible waste of this kid's ability to run and move.
RE: Average QB At Best  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/16/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15368256 Jeffrey said:
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Kid still locks on receivers, is not accurate on short and medium passes and tries so hard at times that he makes bad decisions involving ball security. What I cannot figure out is the QB option or the bootleg are plays that are tailor made for this kid and yet we see them very rarely. Is the problem the fear of an injury or are the Giants saying that he is less accurate on the move than standing in the pocket. Seems to be an incredible waste of this kid's ability to run and move.

I really feel it's Garrett and an ownership philosophy. They are very old school, run an old school offense compared to what other teams are doing.
I thought he had pressure at times but the OL  
Dinger : 9/16/2021 8:28 am : link
particularly the left side did well. Right side and the running game definitely need improvement. Thought DJ completed some nice passes to Sheppard, a couple of throws to Slayton who continues to drop balls and a couple of good grabs by Golladay.
When you just look at the stats and see DJ fumble and at that particular point in the game, some may get the feeling that it was him and THAT PLAY that defined the game. I feel like he was trying to make a play there to extend the drive. We had no running game. The story of the game is Denver punted the ball twice. They consistently controlled the ball on offense. They have a superior defense. Our defense didn't show up, took some bad penalties and seemed ill prepared or ill schemed. Tonights opponent seems similarly suited. The Offense needs a more aggressive or deep threat approach. The Defense needs to get off the field after 3rd down.
Jones needs to have some success  
Reale01 : 9/16/2021 11:08 am : link
Tom Watson the golfer kept coming up short in the Majors until he finally broke through. Once he did that he became one of the best clutch players ever to play. Jones has talent. I think he lost some of his swagger and needs to get it back. Garretts ultra conservative play calling may have contributed. I really believe that leading one comeback or having a big game will help him immeasurably and that he is not that far away. He was starting to feel it last week when he hit a couple big passes, ran for 9 yards, and then ....
Go Mighty Giants!
Jones  
crooza172 : 9/16/2021 11:31 am : link
Sucked when we drafted him, had one good game against the bucks to start his career, and has sucked ever since. He is not the answer and will never be the answer. He is the sole reason this team is as bad as it is. You put Maholmes on this team and we are in instant contender.
RE: RE: Average QB At Best  
Producer : 9/16/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15368263 shadow_spinner0 said:
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In comment 15368256 Jeffrey said:


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Kid still locks on receivers, is not accurate on short and medium passes and tries so hard at times that he makes bad decisions involving ball security. What I cannot figure out is the QB option or the bootleg are plays that are tailor made for this kid and yet we see them very rarely. Is the problem the fear of an injury or are the Giants saying that he is less accurate on the move than standing in the pocket. Seems to be an incredible waste of this kid's ability to run and move.


I really feel it's Garrett and an ownership philosophy. They are very old school, run an old school offense compared to what other teams are doing.


It's not Garrett or ownership that makes him hold the ball, the makes him flustered in the pocket, that makes him uncertain, that makes him inaccurate, that makes him fumble and throw picks and make other boneheaded plays, that makes him inconsistent. That's all on Jones. I'm not excusing Garrett and ownership, though, they're pretty bad too.
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