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Giants elevate C Matt Skura from the practice squad for tonight’s game — a possible indication that Nick Gates will move to guard with Shane Lemieux out.
Good in run blocking. He is not a better center than Gates.
Don’t be disillusioned by the trade the Giants made with the Bengals.
I like the euphemism - Price fell out of favor with the Bengals. If he was any good would he have fallen out of favor? It's not like the Bengals offensive line was the second coming of the 1960s Packers...
Good in run blocking. He is not a better center than Gates.
Don’t be disillusioned by the trade the Giants made with the Bengals.
I think that may be the move. This team needs to get the run game going or we are toast. We can't really attack down the field that much considering how bad the RT situation is, so these shots are going to be need off that total sell playaction and live with the risk of a sack. But with Saquon in the backfield and the run game going you have to respect it. Not sure I do this on a short week though.
Maybe moving the deck chairs around on the the Titanic
What if we just go with 4 so that we can have a QB, 4 receivers, a RB and a TE? Then we can have 5 receivers all run curls instead of the usual 3 or 4!
Signs point to the Giants moving Nick Gates to guard tonight. Has felt like this was a back-burner plan all offseason with the Harrison and Looney signings.
But again, if Gates can just be a temporary tourniquet (at RT), at this point, it's a plus.
No Manny it's NOT. Pressure up the gut in the QBs face is issue #1 for an OL. You move Gates, you open that ...gate. Moving him, IMO, is a terrible idea. We want the best 5 sure, but Gates at OC is our top OL, anywhere else he's not as good and that top gets shakier. Thomas is not moving, Bredeson should slide in to Lemiuex's spot, and if Hernandez keeps stinking, I think Price or Skura gets next shot. Gates was not good at RT, he was ok, he's very good at OC, which is the most important role right now, especially with an ISO style running game. If we ran exclusively zone it changes, but we don't.
be re-signed by the Ravens. They lost an IOL, Tyre Phillips, on Monday. He was IR'ed on Tuesday but it looks like they already made corresponding transactions to take the open roster spot.
This may have been done to p;rotect hm from being snatched up by another team like BAL.
Alternatively, since he wasn't on the active roster Week 1, now they can do this without having to guarantee his entire salary for 2021.
What if we just go with 4 so that we can have a QB, 4 receivers, a RB and a TE? Then we can have 5 receivers all run curls instead of the usual 3 or 4!
... wasn't an option. He looked the part to me during preseason. Knows the offense, so kick Gates out to Guard with Lemieux likely going to IR.
I guess they really like the upside (and younger ages) of Skura, Price, and Bredeson.
I would have to believe at this point Lemieux goes to IR, Gates stays at Center and Bredeson plays LG. But it is shocking to me that Skura is called up, except if they feel he knows the offense better and generates more consistency if they put him at center and kick Gates out to guard?
Seems like a weird call up, unless they are not liking Price as much as they thought?
but Gates was moved to C because he wasn't great at RT.
RT could well not be on the roster yet, sorry to Peart fans.
we absolutely should be playing peart at RT over Solder.
yea, Peart isn't there right now and may never be good. but solder has been garbage every year since he's been here and its really obvious he's only here for the money right now. the guy is getting embarrassed.
Solder over Peart tells us the coaches trust the former enough, but not the latter.
be on a short week anyway. I could eventually see Gates move over to RG and Hernandez back to LG or to the bench. I think Bredeson moves to LG and Peart to RT. And so I see a line of Thomas - Hernandez/Bredeson - Skura - Gates - Peart / Solder at some point. Personally. I wouldn't move Gates unless the Giants see him as a significant upgrade at Guard.
also at this point there seems to be a lot unknown other than Thomas.
Is Hernandez set at RG or does he shift back to LG if Lemiuex goes on IR? Bredeson played LG in college but was playing RG for Baltimore I believe.
If Gates has to shift, does he have to go to RG or RT? He played both well 2 years ago in spot duty and you would think going to RG would be a simpler transition from C than RT.
Which of Hernandez/Solder/Peart is best? Are any of the 3 playable on the right side?
Overall the OL was ok against a good defense last week. So for now I'm not sure there's enough actionable info to make a big change ahead of tonight's game. But maybe after tonight's game there will be.
tells you Peart's not getting it done, that he's not in there when Solder's struggling reinforces it.
Looks like one of those high picks is certainly going to need to be a tackle. With two really no excuse to not be able to maneuver the draft to get one however it shakes out. Peart may end up being a good swing tackle to have, but if he can't beat out Solder woof.
I'm not certain but it seems Gates has played best at C, which doesn't necessarily mean he's set as the starter. He's still working through some stuff with live bullets flying, and needs to get stronger. The collective OL project is still under construction, andI think you've got every position up for grabs except LT.
I think Gates is at his best at Center also. I thought he was the most pleasant surprise on offense last season.
I was/am high on Gates at center. Last season I was hoping that he would show steady improvement as the season progressed and that is exactly what happened. His progress was quite noticeable and while I doubt that he will ever be an all-pro I believe that he will be a good center for the Giants for the next 5+ years.
Don’t be disillusioned by the trade the Giants made with the Bengals.
I like the euphemism - Price fell out of favor with the Bengals. If he was any good would he have fallen out of favor? It's not like the Bengals offensive line was the second coming of the 1960s Packers...
Don’t be disillusioned by the trade the Giants made with the Bengals.
I think that may be the move. This team needs to get the run game going or we are toast. We can't really attack down the field that much considering how bad the RT situation is, so these shots are going to be need off that total sell playaction and live with the risk of a sack. But with Saquon in the backfield and the run game going you have to respect it. Not sure I do this on a short week though.
You never know until you try...
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This may have been done to p;rotect hm from being snatched up by another team like BAL.
Alternatively, since he wasn't on the active roster Week 1, now they can do this without having to guarantee his entire salary for 2021.
This is a gem.
I guess they really like the upside (and younger ages) of Skura, Price, and Bredeson.
I would have to believe at this point Lemieux goes to IR, Gates stays at Center and Bredeson plays LG. But it is shocking to me that Skura is called up, except if they feel he knows the offense better and generates more consistency if they put him at center and kick Gates out to guard?
Seems like a weird call up, unless they are not liking Price as much as they thought?
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but Gates was moved to C because he wasn't great at RT.
RT could well not be on the roster yet, sorry to Peart fans.
we absolutely should be playing peart at RT over Solder.
yea, Peart isn't there right now and may never be good. but solder has been garbage every year since he's been here and its really obvious he's only here for the money right now. the guy is getting embarrassed.
Solder over Peart tells us the coaches trust the former enough, but not the latter.
Is coming from the direction of Right Tackle.
Desperate times call for desperate measures; would not be surprised to see Gates go over there to contain the bleeding.
I'm not sure what's worse.
The fact you're even suggesting this, or the fact that you're probably right.
Is Hernandez set at RG or does he shift back to LG if Lemiuex goes on IR? Bredeson played LG in college but was playing RG for Baltimore I believe.
If Gates has to shift, does he have to go to RG or RT? He played both well 2 years ago in spot duty and you would think going to RG would be a simpler transition from C than RT.
Which of Hernandez/Solder/Peart is best? Are any of the 3 playable on the right side?
Overall the OL was ok against a good defense last week. So for now I'm not sure there's enough actionable info to make a big change ahead of tonight's game. But maybe after tonight's game there will be.
Have to earn it and keep it.
Looks like one of those high picks is certainly going to need to be a tackle. With two really no excuse to not be able to maneuver the draft to get one however it shakes out. Peart may end up being a good swing tackle to have, but if he can't beat out Solder woof.
Agreed. And Solder is terrible.
I think Gates is at his best at Center also. I thought he was the most pleasant surprise on offense last season.
I was/am high on Gates at center. Last season I was hoping that he would show steady improvement as the season progressed and that is exactly what happened. His progress was quite noticeable and while I doubt that he will ever be an all-pro I believe that he will be a good center for the Giants for the next 5+ years.