All interior OL positions. So the natural thought is to just insert him as LG and minimize disruption. Judge and the OL coaches must have seen something to eschew the obvious lineup. They’d better be right, as in Gates doesn’t mess up too often.
They may rotate Cs like they rotate guards.
Perhaps Price is a better C than guard and Gates is better at guard than Price. They rotate players Bredesen, Gates, Hernandez and now Price.
Price considers himself more comfortable at Center. If it is looking bad early, they can always pull him, move Gates over, and bring in Bredeson at LG.
want any positive is that Rob Sale did have this line prepared to play last Sunday and for what its worth they played fine overall for the few times we had the ball in our possession.
three offseasons after gettleman proclaimed it was the most problematic unit and main priority to get fixed.
just a huge embarrassing failure on his part.
the lemieux injury was just plain bad luck, sure, but the 2021 OL is arguably no better, and maybe even worse, than what they ended the 2018 season with.
as sy has said, fingers crossed is no way to go into the season.
“It’s really apparent that we have a little more confidence in our offensive linemen than you guys do. So I’m just going to say we’re happy with the group that we have."
That's going to be on Gettleman's career epitaph for Giants fans.
likely out for majority of the season I'd rather try and roll with a 1st round type talent and see if our coaches can get the best of him. Leonard Williams anyone?
LW was already an excellent player stuck on a not so good defesnese. That affects your stats. Similar to everyone knocking Demarcus Lawrence (who to be fair loafed it after he signed his big deal, but hasn't since).
while I agree Williams had some really nice years, the last few with Jets he hadn’t done much. Maybe it was a scheme thing. Jets fans were ready to move along.
while I agree Williams had some really nice years, the last few with Jets he hadn’t done much. Maybe it was a scheme thing. Jets fans were ready to move along.
Fans, as a general sentiment, do not know much. They are, as a whole, a mob with angry pitchforks. Hence the term - fanatic.
then this is an upgrade at LG. Centers are Centers, and if Price is functional (hell, Gates was new to the position last year) then overall it is a win for us. Hernandez needs to play better and Peart has to be ready as Solder is just not capable of starting.
I know its water under the bridge but its the same damn water
Maybe taking Toney in the 1st round wasn't so smart. maybe taking an OL in one of the 1st three rounds? I mean 2nd game into the season and it feels like we are scrambling at OL. I guess they still have more faith than I do, but I don't have the rose colored glasses they have on.
while I agree Williams had some really nice years, the last few with Jets he hadn’t done much. Maybe it was a scheme thing. Jets fans were ready to move along.
Fans, as a general sentiment, do not know much. They are, as a whole, a mob with angry pitchforks. Hence the term - fanatic.
Doesn't change the fact that he was struggling there his last few years or so, so much so that the team was willing to trade a former high first round pick.
Maybe taking Toney in the 1st round wasn't so smart. maybe taking an OL in one of the 1st three rounds? I mean 2nd game into the season and it feels like we are scrambling at OL. I guess they still have more faith than I do, but I don't have the rose colored glasses they have on.
Giants clearly didn’t love the OL class beyond Sewell. They felt the WR class was top notch. Perhaps OL class is better in 2022. Who knows. But to judge the 1st round pick after 1 game is nonsensical.
Regardless - they valued the Bears 1st round pick next year over whatever difference of player they could draft between 11 and 20. Remains to be seen if they will be right.
If this OL move backfires tonight BBI will have a historic meltdown
that Judge didn’t like what he saw and is making a change. THAT’s more consistent with what he’s been saying. Accountability and performance. This opens the door for Brederson to replace Hernandez too. Hopefully, Peart gets a lot more snaps so they can start transitioning away from Solder. This could all still be crap. But rolling the same as last week for example, is the definition of insanity.
None of us really know how these guys look in practice. I respect the coaches right to make decision as to who plays where. However, if this season goes to hell then DG is not the only one who should be held accountable. We all loved Judge because he projects confidence and direction, but to date he has not proven much. Give him freedom to make this team and then hold him accountable if he fails to show progress this year.
but Hernandez at RG and Peart at RT doesn't inspire confidence. I'd much rather see Gates at RG and Bredeson at LG.
To be honest, we don't know that it isn't that way.. We are all projecting what is happening but until the Starting lineup is announced we are just guessing based on Lemieux being out.
But taking out actual talent / how much does a move like this limit them for play calling given that price likely doesn’t know whole playbook? Or are the stunts that centers asked to do relatively basic and it’s not a big issue?
But taking out actual talent / how much does a move like this limit them for play calling given that price likely doesn’t know whole playbook? Or are the stunts that centers asked to do relatively basic and it’s not a big issue?
I think NYG expected Vera-Tucker to be there at #20 after the trade down ...
I just new the Toney pick was a fall back.
Be curious to know if they expected, or hoped. Two different things, and expecting a fast rising offensive lineman to be there is foolish. Regardless, you always take that trade.
I think NYG expected Vera-Tucker to be there at #20 after the trade down ...
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would have been silly for them to think that. It was pretty widely known that AVT would be a top #20 pick. In any event, I can't see them declining the trade with the Bears to take AVT.
Helping the Right tackle, who-ever he is. This will keep Hernandez from abandoning his post (and letting his man get a clear shot at the RB).
Two things Washington will do - try to suffocate the passing game to Shepard and stack up the box on our right side, till we prove we can run to the left.
As you may recall I am close to Kwity Paye and I was involved with the draft process....from what I heard the Giants had their eyes on Smith,Waddle, Slater ,Vera Tucker,Surtain and Horn....not necessarily in that order
After Smith went and we traded down I suspect realistic options came down to Slater and Vera Tucker but all the guys the Giants front office had targeted were off the board
While I am disappointed we didn’t take Kwity I am much more disappointed with who we took with the 20th but time will tell .
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All interior OL positions. So the natural thought is to just insert him as LG and minimize disruption. Judge and the OL coaches must have seen something to eschew the obvious lineup. They’d better be right, as in Gates doesn’t mess up too often.
They may rotate Cs like they rotate guards.
Perhaps Price is a better C than guard and Gates is better at guard than Price. They rotate players Bredesen, Gates, Hernandez and now Price.
Price considers himself more comfortable at Center. If it is looking bad early, they can always pull him, move Gates over, and bring in Bredeson at LG.
They certainly haven't earned the benefit of the doubt, but I'm curious why you see this as awful, vs any other option with Lemieux out?
Price has plenty of experience at center, it's not like they moved someone there who's never done it
maybe there will be some rotation as well
the good thing is peart is starting. whether he sucks still or not we can't have sorry ass solder out there.
Or maybe that would be too many changes in one week so they are sticking with Hernandez.
just a huge embarrassing failure on his part.
the lemieux injury was just plain bad luck, sure, but the 2021 OL is arguably no better, and maybe even worse, than what they ended the 2018 season with.
as sy has said, fingers crossed is no way to go into the season.
That's going to be on Gettleman's career epitaph for Giants fans.
LW was already an excellent player stuck on a not so good defesnese. That affects your stats. Similar to everyone knocking Demarcus Lawrence (who to be fair loafed it after he signed his big deal, but hasn't since).
Price has been a disappointment so far no?
and swapping out Kevin Zeitler for Will Hernandez, the Giants ship is smack up against a lee shore heading into the second game of the season.
Will the anchor hold?
and swapping out Kevin Zeitler for Will Hernandez, the Giants ship is smack up against a lee shore heading into the second game of the season.
Will the anchor hold?
I am not even sure our Oline is our biggest concern anymore. Which is depressing.
and swapping out Kevin Zeitler for Will Hernandez, the Giants ship is smack up against a lee shore heading into the second game of the season.
Will the anchor hold?
it's remarkable that hernandez seems to have gotten worse every season since his rookie year. big miss at 34 overall with him.
Fans, as a general sentiment, do not know much. They are, as a whole, a mob with angry pitchforks. Hence the term - fanatic.
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while I agree Williams had some really nice years, the last few with Jets he hadn’t done much. Maybe it was a scheme thing. Jets fans were ready to move along.
Fans, as a general sentiment, do not know much. They are, as a whole, a mob with angry pitchforks. Hence the term - fanatic.
Doesn't change the fact that he was struggling there his last few years or so, so much so that the team was willing to trade a former high first round pick.
Bengals ol sucked...and he couldn't start....is not a good answer.
Giants clearly didn’t love the OL class beyond Sewell. They felt the WR class was top notch. Perhaps OL class is better in 2022. Who knows. But to judge the 1st round pick after 1 game is nonsensical.
Regardless - they valued the Bears 1st round pick next year over whatever difference of player they could draft between 11 and 20. Remains to be seen if they will be right.
To be honest, we don't know that it isn't that way.. We are all projecting what is happening but until the Starting lineup is announced we are just guessing based on Lemieux being out.
I just new the Toney pick was a fall back.
Gates will probably still handle the line calls.
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I think NYG expected Vera-Tucker to be there at #20 after the trade down ...
I just new the Toney pick was a fall back.
Be curious to know if they expected, or hoped. Two different things, and expecting a fast rising offensive lineman to be there is foolish. Regardless, you always take that trade.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would have been silly for them to think that. It was pretty widely known that AVT would be a top #20 pick. In any event, I can't see them declining the trade with the Bears to take AVT.
Hog mollies from heaven??????????
Time to take your pension, DG, and live out your halcyon years at the Cape!!!!
It only took 14 years, five coaches and 3 GMs!
Should have also been more than one owner (not counting Tisch)!!!!!!!!!!
Two things Washington will do - try to suffocate the passing game to Shepard and stack up the box on our right side, till we prove we can run to the left.
After Smith went and we traded down I suspect realistic options came down to Slater and Vera Tucker but all the guys the Giants front office had targeted were off the board
While I am disappointed we didn’t take Kwity I am much more disappointed with who we took with the 20th but time will tell .
That QB-C relationship shouldn't be taken for granted. Jones and Gates don't appear to have issues with getting the play started. Why disrupt that?
I’m sure he can as long as the center doesn’t screw up the snap count again…
What do you mean centers are centers? The center position is crucial to the OL, he's the captain of the line.