anymore? Very excited about this game review saying we are all idiots. And I'm not talking about Garrett he was excellent. I gurantee it wasn't his gutless decision to run the ball twice when we had the game won with a first down. Fucking Judge.
I hope Dexter Morgan gets Dexter Lawrence on his table this season
this game was lost well before that penalty
Yep and its all the feet of Judge's sloppy fucking team and his gutless decision making. Does Bill play it like he did? Fuck no he puts the ball in the hands of his QB and lets him win it. Unbelievable.
the offense, the defense and the special teams came out short.
Giants only needed a first down after the TO to win. Instead they run up the middle into an 8 man front twice. Judge and Garrett should be ashamed of themselves. On 3rd and 5 giants rush 3 men and give up an easy first down. Graham’s defense has been torched by two bad offenses and the season is only two weeks old.
and just needing a FG in today's NFL you are going to lose most of the time. See it every week from all sorts of crappy teams and QB's. Hell 1:00 minute is too much time.
Jones played well - if Garrett doesn't change the offense to a full time shotgun based RPO then I must be seeing things because it clearly suits Jones best.
But bad teams find ways to lose games like this, and this is a bad team. No moral victories here.
That was a really creative way to lose. Time for the coaches to do some soul searching.
It was nice to see DJ play well. Wonder if Barkley needs more time and practice before he gets back in. He seems a bit lost on what he is supposed to do each down. Looks like DJ has to tell him whom to block, where to go . . .
anymore? Very excited about this game review saying we are all idiots. And I'm not talking about Garrett he was excellent. I gurantee it wasn't his gutless decision to run the ball twice when we had the game won with a first down. Fucking Judge.
Garrett had his moments but played for 3 repeatedly, and it burned his ass
Lost this one. Bradberry gave us a chance and then Washington skipped right now the field. Not impressed by Adoree Jackson at all. 2 weeks of really poor play from him.
Jones played well - if Garrett doesn't change the offense to a full time shotgun based RPO then I must be seeing things because it clearly suits Jones best.
But bad teams find ways to lose games like this, and this is a bad team. No moral victories here.
Yeah, Jones has to run that spread and be featured as a runner.Thing is he will probably get hurt. But, when they they run him he plays better overall. Jones was really good today.
Why did they run pointlesslly up the middle twice after the pick?
Also, Jones is so fast.
If people dont think Joe Judge is a huge part of the problem
anymore? Very excited about this game review saying we are all idiots. And I'm not talking about Garrett he was excellent. I gurantee it wasn't his gutless decision to run the ball twice when we had the game won with a first down. Fucking Judge.
Garrett had his moments but played for 3 repeatedly, and it burned his ass
Garrett wasn't the one telling him to run the ball twice on that last drive, I guarantee it. And probably wasn't last week on that drive deep in on our own territory where we just punted the drive essentially. We could of scored more tonight, and we played it soft by going for points like this is 1985. When it's 4 and managaable on the edge of FG range and you have a functioning offense, you go for it in todays NFL. Period.
anymore? Very excited about this game review saying we are all idiots. And I'm not talking about Garrett he was excellent. I gurantee it wasn't his gutless decision to run the ball twice when we had the game won with a first down. Fucking Judge.
Garrett had his moments but played for 3 repeatedly, and it burned his ass
why do you assume this is garrett... adn if it is garrett then judge is a yes man, he needs to intervene.
squarely on the defense. Th offense battled and scored 29 points for once in a long time. Yea Slayton blew 6 and DJ TD called back, but Defense again was atrocious, mostly in coverage. Additionally there was very little pressure. Graham needs to figure something out quick because there’s too many games ahead where teams will destroy us.
I've never considered it in my entire life but I can't do this. This team is the laughingstock of the NFL.
The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.
Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.
I dont want to hear coaching staff should stay after the year
They drive a beautiful car home to mansions, eat an expensive meal, bang their expensive wife, then sleep on Egyptian cotton sheets. That's how. The fans pay for it all... they don't give a rats ass about winning, it's a job for them.
The giants org deserve every bit of this with their stupid decision making. But I am sad for the good players on this team. Wasting their careers away with not even a shot of winning football. Just sadness.
I've never considered it in my entire life but I can't do this. This team is the laughingstock of the NFL.
The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.
Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.
eh im sorry but im not blaming DG, mara, jones or the OL for this. sorry but the defense BACK TO BACK weeks cannot get off the fucking field. DC playing zone with man corners as you mentioned is a fucking joke. HUGE penalty by lawerence. joke of a call on board. HUGE drop by slayton. the team just doesnt know how to make the play to win.
There was a time that a loss like this would have left me
like to know if Judge told Garrett to play it conservative after the INT. Got to believe he did.
I honestly believe Garrett thought SB could get a first down. As if we were getting a consistent push They weren’t able to run all game and SB is not even close to 100%. Oblivious to the situation.
He's actually a good football player. One of the only guys that's not all over social media and prepares properly for games. He showed up tonight. Barkley, Sheppard and the other social media whores need to be gone.
of the offsides on the field goal that was missed. It looked like the center had started his snap when Lawrence started his rush. It was just a slow snap motion.
(especially at the end of the season) - the defense looked promising and like they were firing on all cylinders.
This year - the offense scored 29 points tonight (yes they left at least 10 points on the field) but, 29 points should be enough to win any game in the NFL.
I wish these 2 units would take the field at the same time on the same night.
why on earth are you throwing before the 2 min warning? I know a first down ends the game, but the route was short of the first and running the clock was way more important.
loss had nothing to do with Tomlinson or Hill. It was all Graham. Again, why pay two man CBs a ton of money to play zone? Heinicke is a scrub. A journeyman backup at best. You blitz the hell out of a QB like that. Make him beat you. Graham instead gave him a nice clean pocket by rushing only four.
More stupid runs by Barkley on first and second down. And then running it into the line twice after the INT with more than two minutes left when the WFT had all of their timeouts.
Jones played great.
Slayton and Lawrence had bad plays, but they were single plays. Graham and Judge fucked up all night.
This was the best game of his career. Yea they lost but Jones finally gave me a little bit of a reason to believe he can be good. The line finally gave him some time and he looked great. He needs to string a lot of games like this together but I’m finally optimistic about him again
The game was lost when they decided to kick a field goal instead of try to win the game (or make it a lot harder for Washington to win)
They basically just said ok let’s get 3 and do our best to stop them. That shit just doesn’t work anymore. No matter how good your defense is, and ours sucked all game. How did they not see that coming.
and his fucking pansy play. Down 1 with the ball at the 20 and just over 2 minutes left, you aren't playing the clock..You go for the Td and then from there go for 2.. He runs Barkley, who clearly isn't the same Barkley and who was getting tripped up much too easily in the 4th qtr, twice up the middle. Then we throw on 3rd and 9 and its incomplete. That is a loser play, no guts at all!
Would have had over 400 yards total offense and 4 TD's if his teammates didn't drop the ball. Literally.
Just frustrating on so many levels. Being conservative after Bradberry's pick, whatever, I didn't hate the two runs but I would have dialed up a roll put for Jones to pass/run.
Why did Black Picasso not blitz on the final drive? Soft ass coverages which is ended up beating anyway.
This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
RE: Judge talks a good game, but he doesn’t have it.
You can’t have coaches who don’t put players in position to win.
Yea but he's strict, wears short sleeve hoodies and looks like a perennial gym teacher.. Like Bill. So he must be good. Funny how all Bill's proteges pick up only the bad and pointless habits lmao.
This was the best game of his career. Yea they lost but Jones finally gave me a little bit of a reason to believe he can be good. The line finally gave him some time and he looked great. He needs to string a lot of games like this together but I’m finally optimistic about him again
Of the NFL. Fucking losers. Washington is a bad team, so at this rate we will have a hard time winning 4 games. Entire team was undisciplined and missed 4-5 chances to put them away. Wasted a good game from Jones.
That this team is shit.
That JG is too conservative at time and deserves to go
That Graham is over rated
That Barkley might fetch a 1st from a dumb team
That if Jones was on nearly any other team he would be looked at a lot differently…. 250 passing nearly 100 rushing and still lose.
I believe all those prayers in 07 and 11 doomed us to top 10 picks from now on
I felt Garrett called a good game. The long fg conversion by Gano was a dumb call. That’s a low percentage fg attempt to push the game from one score to one score. Garrett/Judge then turtled after the Bradberry int. They have 3 timeouts and the two minute warning, you’re not gonna kill clock. You NEED the first down. Two clock killing plays that put you in an obvious pass 3rd down right before the two minute warning are not gonna help you win the game. Some execution issues and iffy calls but this one falls on Judge.
RE: RE: I honestly dont think I'm watching anymore.
I've never considered it in my entire life but I can't do this. This team is the laughingstock of the NFL.
The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.
Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.
eh im sorry but im not blaming DG, mara, jones or the OL for this. sorry but the defense BACK TO BACK weeks cannot get off the fucking field. DC playing zone with man corners as you mentioned is a fucking joke. HUGE penalty by lawerence. joke of a call on board. HUGE drop by slayton. the team just doesnt know how to make the play to win.
I didn't blame Jones on the OL. Jones was great and the OL, all things considered, performed better than could be expected. Their coaches failed them.
The ownership has been failing for a decade. The GM has been failing for 4 years. The coaching staff just put together one of the most embarrassingly inept performances I've ever seen. It's the football equivalent of a surgeon leaving forceps in a patients colon.
Everyone touting that Judge is making the decisions in the drafts and touting the draft. Every player they asked for they got. Melvin Ingrams available and Judge and Graham wanted Jackson. Mara has given these guys all the money they want. I don’t see Mara and gettleman making the calls on being gutless and playing soft zone and never bringing extra rushers or ever running stunts with the down linemen. Do they decide to settle for 3 or punt from the 39. Nope that’s the pu$$ who is head coach.
This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.
Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
Don't assume Gettleman is on the hot seat and I complimented him on good moves he made in the last 2 seasons ... and then stated - "we might need another HC (AGAIN) by the end of the season.
I am not sure what will happen by the end of the season but, this loss was on the coaching staff. Not FA acquired or draft picks made.
I don't see it with Saquon. Average vision, average pass blocking and he just never finishes runs. He runs soft. Not my style of RB. I wouldn't resign him.
He'll get an extension though since his jersey sells.
Everyone touting that Judge is making the decisions in the drafts and touting the draft. Every player they asked for they got. Melvin Ingrams available and Judge and Graham wanted Jackson. Mara has given these guys all the money they want. I don’t see Mara and gettleman making the calls on being gutless and playing soft zone and never bringing extra rushers or ever running stunts with the down linemen. Do they decide to settle for 3 or punt from the 39. Nope that’s the pu$$ who is head coach.
why on earth are you throwing before the 2 min warning? I know a first down ends the game, but the route was short of the first and running the clock was way more important.
- BS holding call
- D easily picked apart, soft…again
- can’t rush the passer AT ALL…again
- slayton drop
- can’t run the ball (from a RB) consistently
- stupid penalties at bad times
- unimaginative play calling after the pick
Jones played his heart out. OL better in pass pro in the second half after losing Gates. Yet, we find ways to lose.
Big picture, right now our D is a bigger problem than the O
I don't see it with Saquon. Average vision, average pass blocking and he just never finishes runs. He runs soft. Not my style of RB. I wouldn't resign him.
He'll get an extension though since his jersey sells.
Everyone touting that Judge is making the decisions in the drafts and touting the draft. Every player they asked for they got. Melvin Ingrams available and Judge and Graham wanted Jackson. Mara has given these guys all the money they want. I don’t see Mara and gettleman making the calls on being gutless and playing soft zone and never bringing extra rushers or ever running stunts with the down linemen. Do they decide to settle for 3 or punt from the 39. Nope that’s the pu$$ who is head coach.
the very best thing that can happen to this team is 0-17. They are completely stuck spinning their wheels with Gettleman in charge and they need to have a season that leaves the owners with absolutely no choice. He has completely mismanaged the draft, destroyed the roster through ill-advised trades, and hired a coach that does not look like he's going to work out.
I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.
But I'm not out. Last week was horrific. If Jones can maintain this level of play and if the playcalling can find their balls, if Saquon improves - there will be more wins, progression, and I can live with it. Still want to find out what happens - but this was a punch in the dick.
You can’t have coaches who don’t put players in position to win.
Yea but he's strict, wears short sleeve hoodies and looks like a perennial gym teacher.. Like Bill. So he must be good. Funny how all Bill's proteges pick up only the bad and pointless habits lmao.
That not only did we lose the game on an offsides penalty on special teams, but it was actually THE FUCKING NOSEGUARD?? He’s literally looking right at the ball. What the fuck?
And I don’t want to hear any horseshit about “well we lost the game long before that”…. No, technically it’s true 99% of the plays can’t be pointed to as a singular reason we lost, but that one quite literally CAN. It was literally the difference between us winning and losing at that point.
* OL looked good in second half
* Jones with one of the best games of his career
* Might not need a QB next draft
* Don't need to sign Saquon to second contract
* If they keep playing like this and keep Jones clean, they can win some games this year
This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.
Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
I'm not saying they should keep Judge over Gettleman. It's entirely possible that they keep Gettleman too. Or that he "retires" like Coughlin and Gilbride did.
I'm just being realistic. Mara still has one more year left on Shurmur's contract. If he fires Judge after this season, he's paying three head coaches next year. That's not going to happen.
Fucking Barkley did nothing with the ball after the JBIV pick. But yeah, he’s a future gold jacket. Did he do anything after his 41 yard run? Where was the running game? Pathetic.
The defense was horrific. So soft in coverage. No pressure.
Did someone say we practiced special teams too much? Yeah, guess not.
But beyond pathetic and beyond gutless was the coaching.
refusal to rush more than four and insistence on playing zone killed us. Heinicke had plenty of time to throw and McLaurin killed us over the middle.
Judge had no guts after the INT. Had to at least try for the TD, especially with the way Jones was playing. Instead two runs up the middle.
Spot on. I would have rushed the house and see how well Heinicke can pass while he is running for his life. The ball less run calls after the interception were terrible. Saquon running with head down, directly into his line gave me zero confidence to hand him the ball in such an opportune time. Play to WIN!!
Young didn't fill up the stat sheet but he impacted the game. He had pressures, Thomas getting a false start trying to get an early jump on him, he wasn't invisible at all.
That’s where this crap about Gettleman comes from. Obj is overrated garbage, team sucked with him. Both of these loses is not on personal but on coaching.
I know most of the posts that I have read are bemoaning the coach, Garret, Barkley, etc.
Maybe I am just been a Giant fan for too long and lived through the Paterson Plank Joe era.
Okay we are 0-2, we were that when we came into Washington an won because Clinton Portis was on sideline on last play. That was Eli's first Super Bowl year. We had lost to the Packers the week before by 30 or so.
Anyway, I saw an offensive line that started to jell at least in the passing game. This was against what is considered one of the best defensive lines.
DJ showed what he can do with time. No stupid throws, no fumbles from blind side hits.
Sure he overthrew Slayton by a tad.
Also did you hear Aikman when he said it takes almost two years to recover from torn leg ligaments. Let's give Saquon a pass for a few games.
I hate going to bed after this but I am a cockeyed optimist and am willing to hold off for a couple of games before sounding like some of my fellow fans.
Do any of you remember the 49er playoff loss. The flipper Anderson run through the end zone out of the stadium?
Hey let's give them another week or three.
...and they have been moving the ball consistently on EVERY single drive it seemed into FG range, to play soft and go for just three after the Bradberry pick is really just awful coaching.
Game is clearly on Judge. He needs to tell Garrett make sure we get a 1st down, and its his special teams that fucked up.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
the very best thing that can happen to this team is 0-17. They are completely stuck spinning their wheels with Gettleman in charge and they need to have a season that leaves the owners with absolutely no choice. He has completely mismanaged the draft, destroyed the roster through ill-advised trades, and hired a coach that does not look like he's going to work out.
I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.
I literally do not understand how you watch that game and thin DG is the problem. He can't coach the fucking players too. Plenty of talent on that field and we had a much better QB tonight and we still managed to lose. Why? Because the coaching on the defensive side of the ball and the HC is baby shit soft.
What a terrible feeling. This sucks! It seems like we’re in a loop. The Defense was supposed to be the best unit on the team and they’ve played like absolute crap the last two games. Secondary is playing very soft coverage and allowing too many plays.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Weak analysis, esp on a bad hold call and one three and out?
Giants offense played much better in the second half. Slayton's drop and Lawrence's offsides were terrible. But those played were less hurtful than the terrible coaching from Judge and Graham.
It is clear this team is not mentally prepared. It is a poorly coached team.
You can understand not having the talent to compete, but that wasn’t the case tonight. The WFT played aggressively as tried pro win. The Giants played scared and not to lose. The Giants just made too many mental mistakes…again.
Judge better be pretty close to his Parcells epiphany about ch aging his ways and trusting himself. If he keeps coaching like this he is going to end up a BB pilot fish like McDaniels.
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.
Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
I'm not saying they should keep Judge over Gettleman. It's entirely possible that they keep Gettleman too. Or that he "retires" like Coughlin and Gilbride did.
I'm just being realistic. Mara still has one more year left on Shurmur's contract. If he fires Judge after this season, he's paying three head coaches next year. That's not going to happen.
They keep losing games like this and he won't have a choice. You cannot possibly keep a staff that has performed how they have the past 2 weeks. It's not hyperbole to say it's some of the worst coaching I've ever seen in my life. And tbh it's shocking. I had fully bought into Judge. And the last 2 weeks have been so catastrophically, gut wrenching, nut twisting, throat punchingly bad that I've completely lost faith. He's a tough talking can't who can't deliver. He's a disciplinarian with an undisciplined team. He's a fucking used car salesman.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
But he missed some throws, too many people bagging on Slayton for the drop but that wasn’t an easy catch. Jones put it out there a yard too far when he had about 15 yards of field to work with. I’m not taking anything away from him either, I think that kind of game is what he’s capable of when you take the shackles off him and play to his strengths a little. He can be better though.
gives me visions of TCs rant WE LOST THE GAME BECAUSE OF AN ILLEGAL PROCEDURE………
though in reality, like someone said, we had SO many opportunities on O for points,… plus the crazy D scheme….. and ST misplays.
RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
That’s where this crap about Gettleman comes from. Obj is overrated garbage, team sucked with him. Both of these loses is not on personal but on coaching.
Yeah I don't understand how you watch last week or this week and think its a personnel problem. It's not.
RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
Wrong about what?
RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
the very best thing that can happen to this team is 0-17. They are completely stuck spinning their wheels with Gettleman in charge and they need to have a season that leaves the owners with absolutely no choice. He has completely mismanaged the draft, destroyed the roster through ill-advised trades, and hired a coach that does not look like he's going to work out.
I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.
I literally do not understand how you watch that game and thin DG is the problem. He can't coach the fucking players too. Plenty of talent on that field and we had a much better QB tonight and we still managed to lose. Why? Because the coaching on the defensive side of the ball and the HC is baby shit soft.
The players have all been changed. The coaches have all been changed. There's only a few constants, and they're primarily in the front office.
The Giants have never been above .500 during Gettleman's GM tenure. Never. 50 games. None of them began or ended with the Giants having a winning record.
At some point, that's the GM's fault.
RE: RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
Wrong about what?
Score 29 on the road - against the 4th ranked Defense last year you should win the game. Against a back up no less. Period.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
Great is a stretch. Good, yes.
slayton catches the ball he is looking at 300 yds 2 TDs 100 rushing and a TD (2 TDs if there wasnt a bullshit hold on board). thats a pretty great performance agsint a good defense on the road.
I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is
to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
Great is a stretch. Good, yes.
He played really well, was our best player on the field tonight.
I do not want to read anything about moral victories
or at least Jones played well or anything else. This is yet another loss of a game that should have been won. Another sloppy game. Another 0-2 start. And on and on. Fuck this team.
RE: I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is
to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
Bingo.
Coaching staff lost this game, particularly the defensive game plan and coaching at the end.
If you aren't going to do the right things in the really close games, you're not going to win in the NFL.
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
JFC, try and enjoy the team that you pretend to root for.
RE: RE: I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
I don’t know why everyone is trying to discredit heineke; the dude never really got many chances but I’ve seen him in two games now and he played well including a great wild card game against the bucs.
He just does not look like an nfl qb as he is undersized but how can you argue those throws the bone headed int aside but shit that is his 3rd start.
RE: RE: Judge just admitted he purosely ran barkley after that INT
to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
IF they were up 1 and a FG would put them up 4 and force Was to come down and score a TD it would make more sense to make them waste TO.
But to give them a chance to win with just a FG with more then 2 minutes left and a TO is just stupid as shit and shows Judge doesnt get it at all
It is still unfathomable to me that they didn’t try and score.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
He is getting the message from Judge to be conservative and is consistent with how Judge coaches . I'll blame Garrett for some of the play designs and personnel usage but not for being conservative
It is still unfathomable to me that they didn’t try and score.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
You and I rarely agree but I'm 100% in agreement with this. They had a lot of success when they started throwing downfield in the second half - why go away from it? Why not go for 6?
if you take Slater, you don't do the deal with the Bears and get their #1 next year. DG has had plenty of time to fix the OL. Instead he gave us Solder's terrible contract, Peart, Omameh, and Hernandez.
Well that is on Judge, obviously he was confident in Peart and was not looking for players on the line. All throughout the draft he said he indicated what he wanted and needed. All these free agents and rookies had to be interviewed and be given the ok by Judge. As a coach he should have assessed his needs better. Regardless of what slater did, I don’t think he suggested to take your two high priced free agents and run a soft zone with them. Would Slater have told Judge not to try and run out the clock when it was mathematically impossible.
It is still unfathomable to me that they didn’t try and score.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
Ryan I hear everything you're saying, but our last third down play...wouldnt that have been the 2 min warning with a run?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Most overrated player in football?
JFC, try and enjoy the team that you pretend to root for.
I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
The whole purpose of your presence on BBI is clearly to be an asshole.
You can’t just send and pretend to know things that you don’t or you statistics instead of understanding the game.
I give you credit for being consistent.
But at the end of the day you enjoy the team losing as long ad you get to say , “I told you so.”
They allowed that shitty backup QB to drop 30 on them. The lack of a pass rush is becoming a HUGE concern. The Washington Tackles are both pretty bad and the Giants didn’t touch Heinicke after Olujari’s sack in the first drive of the game.
what sucks even more - is that it was also plain obvious to all of us that if we had tried to score, we probably would have. Throw a play action, throw a quick throw on first down, get it to 2nd and short, then throw it again. Touchdown. Game over.
The fact that we slung the ball all over the field on these guys and then didn’t put the ball in Jones’ hands to put the game away is so gutless.
Also - you’re on the road against the division champion. That’s just such a pussy mindset I don’t even know where to begin.
None of us fans would be hating on it if they had tried to score and just made three incompletions or something. It didn’t matter! There was still going to be 2 minutes left regardless!
There is alot of star power money being paid out to a few players
to be 0-2 and we mortgage next year by paying bonuses out to free up cap thinking we would have a good record this year..so when Judge says they are building up to end of season that is a bunch of bullcrap.
you may be right about that. It would have been close for sure. Either way - you should still run on third down if you’re gonna just run up the middle on first and second. I think they were doing that because they were scared shitless of a turnover. Which is bullshit.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Most overrated player in football?
I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
The whole purpose of your presence on BBI is clearly to be an asshole.
You can’t just send and pretend to know things that you don’t or you statistics instead of understanding the game.
I give you credit for being consistent.
But at the end of the day you enjoy the team losing as long ad you get to say , “I told you so.”
Go re-read any of my comments tonight. You are just making stuff up.
On second thought, don't waste your time. I couldn't be less interested in what you think.
RE: RE: RE: Judge just admitted he purosely ran barkley after that INT
to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
Bingo.
Coaching staff lost this game, particularly the defensive game plan and coaching at the end.
If you aren't going to do the right things in the really close games, you're not going to win in the NFL.
Yea the fucking idiot and his timeouts .... it’s like all the guy cares about is using all his time outs and worrying about the opposing team timeouts instead of winning the damn game
The ending of that game was painfully obvious. The only brief change up was Bradberry’s pick (but even then you knew playing it conservative was coming).
After going up 26-20 following the Slyton drop who didn’t know the following?
That the Redskins would march down and take the lead (a little surprised it was just 2 plays).
That we would follow that up with a punt.
And that after going up 29-27, Washington was going to do just enough to get the 3 they needed.
It is still unfathomable to me that they didn’t try and score.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
Just complete ignorance in terms of time management. It felt like they didn't understand that WFT could just call two timeouts after those dummy "clock" runs to force the Giants in an obvious pass 3rd and long. You get a first down and you basically win the game. It's insane they didn't even really try there.
The second to last Gano FG is not going to get enough shit. It was a mind-numbingly dumb attempt despite the conversion. It's a lower conversion 55 yard FG attempt, very far from a gimme. I don't care about the faith you have in your kicker. You're taking the game from 3 points to 6 points. It's a makeable 4th down attempt, if you convert that you put yourself in position to score 7 AND kill clock. It's a 4th down conversion that could end the game. It's clouded by the 2 play WFT scoring drive, 3 play turnover drive and 3 play whatever the fuck Giants drive. That was a critical decision.
The ending of that game was painfully obvious. The only brief change up was Bradberry’s pick (but even then you knew playing it conservative was coming).
After going up 26-20 following the Slyton drop who didn’t know the following?
That the Redskins would march down and take the lead (a little surprised it was just 2 plays).
That we would follow that up with a punt.
And that after going up 29-27, Washington was going to do just enough to get the 3 they needed.
This one was shades of @ Philly last year.
Aikman called it. After the slayton drop and two consecutive falls starts, he said something along the lines of, "as a giants fan you gotta be thinking here we go again"
you may be right about that. It would have been close for sure. Either way - you should still run on third down if you’re gonna just run up the middle on first and second. I think they were doing that because they were scared shitless of a turnover. Which is bullshit.
I think i am, that's why did at least try to throw there. If they run, WSH lets it go down to 2 min, and we kick the FG, they get the ball at the 25 with about a 1:53 and 1 TO....
And of course still drive the field and get in FG range...totally predictable.
the defensive performance does not make sense to me. I thought we would be playing a lot more man this year with the additions. But, I could be missing something.
Judge in his presser says players will be back MONDAY
to work on cleaning up their mistakes. Get their ass beat like this and you give them THREE DAYS OFF?! Is that a CBA thing? Otherwise, get their ass in there and get to work this weekend.
This was absolutely worse than Philly. We just had our QB play one of his best games of his career and we still lost to an undrafted QB and we went offsides on a FG Miss to end the game. This is way worse.
We lost the Philly game mainly because of the Engram drop - but it’s not like the offense played that well that whole game.
The offense was great tonight and the coordinator and head coach didn’t let them do more.
1) When is Leonard Williams going to show up?
2) Will we just play soft zone with no pass rush all season?
3) Could we be more conservative on offense?
4) Don't take a shot at the end zone after picking the ball off at the WFT 20? Settle for a 3 and FG?
5) Holding call? 4 points. Dropped TD. 4 points. False start to knock us out of FG range. 3 points. That's 11 points left on the field. Then a fucking offsides by the NT on a FG? Another 3 point swing for a total of 14 points difference.
6) For all the tough talk, this is an undisciplined team.
7) Another fucking nobody tear up the D.
8) I'm just sick after that game.
9) Gano outscored the rest of the offense.
10) I'm sick of the same old shit.
11) Did I say I'm sick of this?
the defensive performance does not make sense to me. I thought we would be playing a lot more man this year with the additions. But, I could be missing something.
We are playing possum...by week 8 we are going to switch gears and lock opposing WRs down! Too bad we'll be out of contention by then.
1) When is Leonard Williams going to show up?
2) Will we just play soft zone with no pass rush all season?
3) Could we be more conservative on offense?
4) Don't take a shot at the end zone after picking the ball off at the WFT 20? Settle for a 3 and FG?
5) Holding call? 4 points. Dropped TD. 4 points. False start to knock us out of FG range. 3 points. That's 11 points left on the field. Then a fucking offsides by the NT on a FG? Another 3 point swing for a total of 14 points difference.
6) For all the tough talk, this is an undisciplined team.
7) Another fucking nobody tear up the D.
8) I'm just sick after that game.
9) Gano outscored the rest of the offense.
10) I'm sick of the same old shit.
11) Did I say I'm sick of this?
the defensive performance does not make sense to me. I thought we would be playing a lot more man this year with the additions. But, I could be missing something.
We are playing possum...by week 8 we are going to switch gears and lock opposing WRs down! Too bad we'll be out of contention by then.
has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
yea those people are fucking clowns. thats a catchable ball. 10 pt lead imo really deflates skins there. we still may in a tight game but we up 2 scores is a MAJOR difference. I was with ab uddy and told him we just lost game on that drop. i said it and believed it then, i believe it now. that was a HUGE mo change
I could be mistaken but Bradberry was shadowing McLaurin and then got worked on that drive. I even saw a lot of man after that throughout the game until that last drive too. I'm watching the TV broadcast and following the ball but that's what I saw. Rush wasn't getting there and the corners had a rough game outside of the splash play but I saw them playing a lot of man.
has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
are you blind? at least 3 people on this thread said it was a bad pass.
has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
yes they did bro. its all over the board. people said it was an overthrow
I could be mistaken but Bradberry was shadowing McLaurin and then got worked on that drive. I even saw a lot of man after that throughout the game until that last drive too. I'm watching the TV broadcast and following the ball but that's what I saw. Rush wasn't getting there and the corners had a rough game outside of the splash play but I saw them playing a lot of man.
Slayton should have caught it too. Not everything is one person's fault, the beauty of our ineptitude is that multiple people fuck up on the same play. Slayton is getting more of the blame than he deservers, they both screwed up on that connection.
On the Washington TD run, Banks was ripping them before the ball
was even snapped. It was essentially a dig at Graham. Short yardage and before the snap he pointed out the looked like they were over stacking the line. He said in that situation, the D should never look like that. And then, of course, Washington ran to the weak unbalanced side with only 1 defender and walked in the end zone, as they sealed off the overstacked defenders.
Why the FUCK weren’t we blitzing this fucking QB all night long. He was just throwing passes into the air ready for us to get some turnovers.
S-A-W-F-T. SAWWWWWWWFT. Little-to-no man-to-man and little-to-no pressure. Johnnie Lynn was coaching our defense tonight.
to me, this was the biggest reason for loss. we were soft all night. it was a fucking hjoke to see JB and AJ 10 yards off the WR. mclaurin is good but he isnt jerry rice....its ridiculous
everyone other than the QB combined for 1.5 yards a carry average tonight.
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
The running game in the current NFL has moderate (or less) correlation with wins.
The problem isn't their inability to run. It's their insistence upon running when it's not working.
You don't have to be great at running the ball to win in today's NFL - but you can't not run the ball. If the run game is abandoned entirely, or the backs are averaging under 3 yards a carry that places alot of burden on the QB, as well as the defense that's depending on the rest from sustained drives. This team is not equipped to hold up to that sort of pressure.
I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
The whole purpose of your presence on BBI is clearly to be an asshole.
You can’t just send and pretend to know things that you don’t or you statistics instead of understanding the game.
I give you credit for being consistent.
But at the end of the day you enjoy the team losing as long ad you get to say , “I told you so.”
Go re-read any of my comments tonight. You are just making stuff up.
On second thought, don't waste your time. I couldn't be less interested in what you think.
you struggle with self awareness.
I suppose there are enough people here that are just fine with your condescending posts. I’m not one of them.
It is still unfathomable to me that they didn’t try and score.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
What a fucking joke.
Just complete ignorance in terms of time management. It felt like they didn't understand that WFT could just call two timeouts after those dummy "clock" runs to force the Giants in an obvious pass 3rd and long. You get a first down and you basically win the game. It's insane they didn't even really try there.
The second to last Gano FG is not going to get enough shit. It was a mind-numbingly dumb attempt despite the conversion. It's a lower conversion 55 yard FG attempt, very far from a gimme. I don't care about the faith you have in your kicker. You're taking the game from 3 points to 6 points. It's a makeable 4th down attempt, if you convert that you put yourself in position to score 7 AND kill clock. It's a 4th down conversion that could end the game. It's clouded by the 2 play WFT scoring drive, 3 play turnover drive and 3 play whatever the fuck Giants drive. That was a critical decision.
Preaching to the choir and said it on the game thread. Ironically Belichick would have 100 percent got these details right. Judge may have great attention to detail, but he shrinks like a violet when the pressure is on. I’d be more willing to give him a pass if it wasn’t his SECOND year.
I know he's only played three games, and done pretty well, but I don't think he's long for the league.
When teams get more film on him, he's going to struggle IMO.
There plenty of film on him, dude played in XFL. He’s a decent QB, but limited which why he’s destined to be a backup/marginal starter.
What the fuck I don’t understand is treating Bridewater and him like they are fucking Rogers and they are going to torch us down field. Get more aggressive, and if their skill players beat us, so be it. But make Teddy and Heinecke do it with tough throws.
I was going back and forth on whether to go for it on that 4th and 3 or whatever it was. Honestly - was OK with kicking. You go up 6 there with time left to go. You don’t convert - Washington can score a TD and then you need a TD to try to win. There was a ton of time left.
Whatever. They played that way all game and have played that way ever since Judge has been the coach. It isn’t working.
I could be mistaken but Bradberry was shadowing McLaurin and then got worked on that drive. I even saw a lot of man after that throughout the game until that last drive too. I'm watching the TV broadcast and following the ball but that's what I saw. Rush wasn't getting there and the corners had a rough game outside of the splash play but I saw them playing a lot of man.
Not so sure about that, but even when we do play man, we sit so ducking far off the ball might as well play zone. Literally two weeks in a row you are playing weak armed QBs, make them beat you over the top. At worst they get a chunk play but they ain’t hitting anyone in stride down the field for a score.
I think it's his ST bias, he just wants to give that unit opportunities to score. Ironically John Harbaugh is one of the most aggressive 4th down HCs in the league with a similar backgournd. Judge's timidness on 4th down was a thing last year too, I was always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in some respects because we were so inept offensively but this was a game where they were beating the defense. It's starting to kill us. A "conservative" Vic Fangio got us on a critical 4th down conversion last week that flipped the game. It's catching up to us.
The whole decision process when it's a long FG attempt and shorter 4th down attempt in a 1 score vs 2 score situation. I wasn't following the game thread but I was shocked it wasn't questioned more on the broadcast. It won't be questioned in hindsight because Gano converted but they could have won it there.
The high school football coach act is not going to go over well this week, when it was the staff who blew it.
I hope Judge has the sense to not push those buttons for a while, because that won’t work.
Did somebody on the staff jump offside on that missed field goal?
Lol do you really think that’s what this game came down to? And if he made the original 47 yard fg? They shouldn’t even have been in that situation because our coaches were gutless. Even Ganos second to last fg its 4 and 4 inside the 35 and your offense is rolling. Judge is coaching like it’s 1995 or we have a totally inept offense still. If I’m DJ next time I’m
Rogering his ass and keeping the FG unit off the field. Someone needs to lead this team and Judge failed it.
I think it's his ST bias, he just wants to give that unit opportunities to score. Ironically John Harbaugh is one of the most aggressive 4th down HCs in the league with a similar backgournd. Judge's timidness on 4th down was a thing last year too, I was always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in some respects because we were so inept offensively but this was a game where they were beating the defense. It's starting to kill us. A "conservative" Vic Fangio got us on a critical 4th down conversion last week that flipped the game. It's catching up to us.
The whole decision process when it's a long FG attempt and shorter 4th down attempt in a 1 score vs 2 score situation. I wasn't following the game thread but I was shocked it wasn't questioned more on the broadcast. It won't be questioned in hindsight because Gano converted but they could have won it there.
There were a few people who questioned it on the game thread but I was like if we score a TD on this drive the game is effectively over.
At this point I’m hoping the press eats him the fuck alive and actually has the humility to change. I actually believe we saw that in Garret tonight. I legit did not see the game he called tonight coming. Less sticks concepts, tons of passing on 1st down, more motion. He gets a B plus from me because I gurantee it was Judge who told him how to call it at the end (and now it’s blindingly obvious who called the shots last week where we essentially punted a drive from inside our own 5 after a big TO)
Garrett's gonna get shit because of that last sequence, rightfully so, but until that point I thought it was his strongest game. He did everything that people were calling for - a lot of zone read with Jones attacking the edges, a little RPO, he attacked the sticks on first down and second down, he took some shots in uncomfortable spots. This was a great start in that respect, it felt like Jones and the offense actually had a chance for a change. Him and the rest of the coaches have to stop turtling in critical situations though.
Garrett's gonna get shit because of that last sequence, rightfully so, but until that point I thought it was his strongest game. He did everything that people were calling for - a lot of zone read with Jones attacking the edges, a little RPO, he attacked the sticks on first down and second down, he took some shots in uncomfortable spots. This was a great start in that respect, it felt like Jones and the offense actually had a chance for a change. Him and the rest of the coaches have to stop turtling in critical situations though.
It’s Judge that called that in the end though, is there even a doubt based on the decision making we’ve seen? My only gripe with Garret tonight is I wish he’d stop running negative plays that aren’t direct shots at the end zone on the edge of FG range. Like cool if you pick up 20 on a WR reverse, you still need to score in the red zone which is difficult. It’s not worth the 7 yard loss. But that’s nitpicking.
I was going back and forth on whether to go for it on that 4th and 3 or whatever it was. Honestly - was OK with kicking. You go up 6 there with time left to go. You don’t convert - Washington can score a TD and then you need a TD to try to win. There was a ton of time left.
Whatever. They played that way all game and have played that way ever since Judge has been the coach. It isn’t working.
Haven't we been down that path before, though? On both sides of it, actually.
Being up 3 tends to lure the other team into playing for a FG to tie. Being up 6 forces them to play for a TD that takes the lead. Granted, it's harder to score a TD than a FG, but in terms of how you might game your opponent, it's not crazy to say that you'd obviously prefer to be up 10, but failing that, being up 3 is not a terrible outcome since it has a strong likelihood of resulting in a tie if/when you get the ball back, rather than having to score to take back the lead.
It's all academic at this point, of course. But there definitely is some merit in the benefit of being up 3 rather than 4/5/6. And that's not to say you shouldn't try to tack onto a 3 point lead; just that you should try to tack on a TD, not another FG.
Garrett's gonna get shit because of that last sequence, rightfully so, but until that point I thought it was his strongest game. He did everything that people were calling for - a lot of zone read with Jones attacking the edges, a little RPO, he attacked the sticks on first down and second down, he took some shots in uncomfortable spots. This was a great start in that respect, it felt like Jones and the offense actually had a chance for a change. Him and the rest of the coaches have to stop turtling in critical situations though.
It’s Judge that called that in the end though, is there even a doubt based on the decision making we’ve seen? My only gripe with Garret tonight is I wish he’d stop running negative plays that aren’t direct shots at the end zone on the edge of FG range. Like cool if you pick up 20 on a WR reverse, you still need to score in the red zone which is difficult. It’s not worth the 7 yard loss. But that’s nitpicking.
He's gotta set some of these up. You can't just whip out random gadgets, he should be running some of these as decoys. That's what Shannahan does, he's running tons of Deebo jet sweep action until it's not a fake anymore. Every time we run a pass catcher behind the line of scrimmage he's getting the ball.
It's already been mentioned how Judge said at the PC that the play calls after the INT were intended to make WFT use its timeouts.
Link is to the point in the PC where he says this, because I had to hear his exact words myself to believe it.
One first down very likely wins the game. Not getting a first down likely loses it, given the game situation (time and timeouts remaining) and game flow up to that point.
I think I can almost always see both sides of a strategy choice, but this one to me is unfathomable.
If Judge had said something like, "We called the plays we thought gave us the best chance to win", I would still have disagreed, but would give him the benefit of some shadow of a doubt.
But to come out and flatly say that the first thing on his mind in that situation wasn't getting a first down, but rather burning WFT's timeouts . . . unsettling.
it is just plain wrong. You aren't at midfield where your play options are plenty and the defense doesn't have the luxury of the back of the endzone as a 12th defender. You also made it so obvious of what you were doing that quick stops, with the 2 minute warning looming worked way more in their favor. Truth be told, time no longer mattered, scoring to ice the game did. Your whole plain should be go after the td and have the FG as a backup plain.. Playing to get them to use timeouts is stupid and cowardly.
The series after the INT lost us the game....but most concerning
but my goodness, that was a terrible job of coaching in every aspect of the team.
Joe Judge kicking the second to last FG on 4th & 4 was a LOSER’S MOVE. Being up 6 is worthless. The FG was 55 fucking yards too! (Thankfully Gano made it.) The goal had to be TD there, nothing else. I don’t have as much of a problem with the play calling post INT. If you’re going to stress discipline, then your team can’t be committing a bunch of simply asinine penalties, including one that loses you the game. Judge has to get his shit together.
Jason Garrett needs to find Trump’s ghostwriter and pen, “THE ART OF LOSING FIVE YARDS ON FIRST DOWN.”
Patrick Graham is off to a horrendous start so far. The defense is fucking clueless despite the fact that Adoree Jackson is 10,000% better than whoever was playing opposite Bradberry last year. The goal line play mentioned earlier in which the Giants gave a wide open gap and allowed the WTFs to run through it is just shitty coaching. Also, someone might want to get close to McLaurin.
I do have a problem with motherfuckers dropping the ball left and right. All three receivers fucked them, including Shep on that last drive. Was Kenny Motherfucking Golladay really yelling at Daniel Jones???? This asshole dropped at least three passes!!!! The Slayton play just has to get made. The end.
Of course Nick Gates got hurt. Of fucking course.
Really had to work hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory here.
If offense plays well, defense loses it. Specials plays well, offense sucks. Defense plays well, offensive coaching gets stupid or Jones turns it over.
I think we could forgive Joe Judge and his 3-yards and a cloud of dust strategy had one of these two conditions had existed:
(1) There was very little time on the clock, and forcing Washington to burn timeouts would have essentially iced the game; or,
(2) The Giants defense was stoning Washington all night long.
Everyone on BBI is painfully aware that neither condition existed, so kicking a FG to go up 2 points with over two minutes left was just a terrible decision by Joe Judge.
And then just to punish Giants fans for being Giants fans, we have Exhibit #97: Dexter Lawrence.
is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Also when the coach puts out the message to the offense that I have very little trust in you, it becomes contagious (i.e., not becoming aggressive after the turnover with 2 minutes left in the game).
Kadarius Toney: Great pick by the Giants. They could have had LB Micah Parsons or OT Rashawn Slater.
Toney is reminding me of a Giants first round pick back in the mid-seventies: Rocky Thompson! Had all the skills but couldn't do anything else but return kickoffs.
Toney hasn't even done that yet.
But it's quite understandable as our special teams punt and kick returners have been so spectacular!!!???
is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Also when the coach puts out the message to the offense that I have very little trust in you, it becomes contagious (i.e., not becoming aggressive after the turnover with 2 minutes left in the game).
Kadarius Toney: Great pick by the Giants. They could have had LB Micah Parsons or OT Rashawn Slater.
Toney is reminding me of a Giants first round pick back in the mid-seventies: Rocky Thompson! Had all the skills but couldn't do anything else but return kickoffs.
Toney hasn't even done that yet.
But it's quite understandable as our special teams punt and kick returners have been so spectacular!!!???
I find it head scratching he isn't at least returning kicks and punts.
I may have asked this before...but how/why royhobbs7? Hobbs was #9.
Defensive gameplay was wildly stupid. Not a single halftime adjustment from what I could tell.
Did not like the surrender playcall to run it twice up the middle, and barkley looked like he wanted to be anywhere else on earth on those runs that went nowhere.
the defense is horrid right now. teams are all seeing that soft zone
on film. Time to start employing that expensive and talented 2dary is some press coverage and make the WRs earn it. Then maybe a shit QB like Heineke gets sacked when he has nowhere to throw. ANd mistakes lose games. The Board hold and the Dexter penalty alone is 7 points. Game over. Slayton playing the role of Engram at the end just killer.
some positives:
* overall O played pretty well against a tough front. I thought sagged a little after Gates went down but they bounced back.
* Garrett called a good game I thought, using Jones athleticism, moving the pocket, mixing it up with power formations.
* Jones had a good game. Still a few missed opportuinites, but overall looked good to me.
Judge needs to stop worrying about fundamentals and all this coaching speak and just let this team fucking play. Let Jones just fucking rip it. Enough with this bullshit.
picked the Eagles to carpet the floor of the division. However, if the Giants "D" continues to provide 10 yard cushions to opposing WRs, no doubt who is going to be dancing with "Basement Bertha" by year's end.
And if we do finish last in the division, I know Gettleman is probably gone. But what about Judge's status?
I think many of us are questioning whether the players are buying into his system. I.e., losing affects everything!!!
it's 3rd down and 2....ok...we line up and seems like nobody knew were to go so we call OT come back to the line after fucking trying to get right during the OT and jump off sides..then to top it off next play Jones is sacked.....we're back....back in an a New York grove ....0-2
"if the Giants "D" continues to provide 10 yard cushions"
Garrett's gonna get shit because of that last sequence, rightfully so, but until that point I thought it was his strongest game. He did everything that people were calling for - a lot of zone read with Jones attacking the edges, a little RPO, he attacked the sticks on first down and second down, he took some shots in uncomfortable spots. This was a great start in that respect, it felt like Jones and the offense actually had a chance for a change. Him and the rest of the coaches have to stop turtling in critical situations though.
we scored a whole 2 td’s and kicked 5 FG- 2 from beyond 50. Offense looked better but isn’t there yet.
is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
The game was lost on the decision to try and not score with 2 minutes left. Nothing else needs to be said.
Yup! Nothing else needs to be said. How many other NFL coaches would have settled for a FG with 2 minutes and a timeout left for your opponent to win the game. That screams "lack of confidence in his offense'!
I hope he gets roasted this week and I wish Gary Myers was still covering the team to do it. I am going to give a pass to Graham because I think Judge is having his defense play this way.
This will not be a easy game to recover from. The message of playing not to lose will resonate with players.
That said there were some very encouraging things on offense.
That last Giants drive though. Unbelievable. That was a ideal time on first down to show run, play action and put the game away.
always seem to lose. Teams who play to win, tend to be successful! Winning builds confidence. Playing not to lose is playing scared and inevitably results in mistakes!!
Given the same situation as last night. Intercepting late in the game near your opponents red zone, would Belichick have tried to play conservatively given that his defense couldn't stop anyone or anything that particular evening?????
is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
Eric J
It is not the number of penalties as much as when they occur............ seemingly at the most critical times. We lost the game because of several offensive line mistakes and because of a holding (however questionable) and an off-side on a FG. Those are the crucial disciplinary aspects that need to be corrected, (if possible) and lose games.
Some teams are penalized a multitude of times. But they can recover from their penalties. Apparently, the Giants cannot!
Regarding fumbles The game against Denver was lost for many reasons. But Jones's fumble was the catalyst! Let's see how turnover prone the Giants are this year before you "annoint" them as better disciplined than previously!
picked the Eagles to carpet the floor of the division. However, if the Giants "D" continues to provide 10 yard cushions to opposing WRs, no doubt who is going to be dancing with "Basement Bertha" by year's end.
And if we do finish last in the division, I know Gettleman is probably gone. But what about Judge's status?
I think many of us are questioning whether the players are buying into his system. I.e., losing affects everything!!!
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It is ridiculous just how SOFT they play in the secondary
in their zone scheme, don't agree with that philosophy.
Simply too big of a cushion for opposing receivers.
Have to play better all game and make the critical stops. They weren't playing KC or Tampa last night.
Think they're missing Tomlinson. Perhaps not a top tier player, but certainly a key ingredient re: last year's success.
Ojulari getting sacks - where's his help from the other outside LBs?
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That kid Ojulari, needs to get more snaps. The closest the
'X' Man got to the QB, was when they were exchanging jerseys after the game. Protocols, what protocols?
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
RE: RE: How many wins does judge get to keep his job
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
probably, right.. unless the idiotic behavior continues and there is a complete meltdown. But I expect Judge to reign in his childish yelling and straighten things out a bit.
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Awesome
wow, creating more painful ways to lose every year
coaches fucking suck
Fuck this team!
Good riddance.
What do you mean? On this PERFECTLY coached team
How is this even possible?
Are you kidding???????????????????????
This is going to be a 1-10 or 2-9 football team come end of November.
this game was lost well before that penalty
yeah really, just worse and worse ways to lose to make it as painful as possible for the fans
the nutless play calls after the INT, brutal
than this.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
SOS
Same old Giants.
Scared-ass staff.
What a fucking joke!!! 10 years of shit!!!
The conservative play calling after the Bradberry pick.
A penalty on Judge’s bread and butter special teams to top it all off to snatch defeat from hands of victory.
Please lay off of Daniel Jones for 10 days though. He played beyond well enough to win.
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I hope Dexter Morgan gets Dexter Lawrence on his table this season
this game was lost well before that penalty
Yep and its all the feet of Judge's sloppy fucking team and his gutless decision making. Does Bill play it like he did? Fuck no he puts the ball in the hands of his QB and lets him win it. Unbelievable.
There needs to be major changes with the coordinators in the off-season.
Exactly.
3 points there was not going to win the game.
how many seasons this past decade have they not been 0 and 2
Giants will never win with his shit approach
Johhny boy.....get used to losing
He, Jason Garrett and Patrick Graham can go straight to the unemployment line. I'm fucking down with them. FUCK YOU.
Judge had no guts after the INT. Had to at least try for the TD, especially with the way Jones was playing. Instead two runs up the middle.
As brutal as it gets.
Giants only needed a first down after the TO to win. Instead they run up the middle into an 8 man front twice. Judge and Garrett should be ashamed of themselves. On 3rd and 5 giants rush 3 men and give up an easy first down. Graham’s defense has been torched by two bad offenses and the season is only two weeks old.
But bad teams find ways to lose games like this, and this is a bad team. No moral victories here.
He, Jason Garrett and Patrick Graham can go straight to the unemployment line. I'm fucking down with them. FUCK YOU.
Fuck you.
It was nice to see DJ play well. Wonder if Barkley needs more time and practice before he gets back in. He seems a bit lost on what he is supposed to do each down. Looks like DJ has to tell him whom to block, where to go . . .
Garrett had his moments but played for 3 repeatedly, and it burned his ass
Dominated the WFT DL.
Judge had no guts after the INT. Had to at least try for the TD, especially with the way Jones was playing. Instead two runs up the middle.
Exactly.
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I hope Dexter Morgan gets Dexter Lawrence on his table this season
this game was lost well before that penalty
I get what you mean but yeah they would've won if it wasn't for that moronic penalty they would've won. He's garbage.
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He won over John Mara with his smooth talking. Meanwhile, he's a fucking ST coach who had no HC experience whatsoever.
He, Jason Garrett and Patrick Graham can go straight to the unemployment line. I'm fucking down with them. FUCK YOU.
Fuck you.
No, FUCK YOU
At least tonight we really missed DT and Hill. This is what bend don’t break does to your DL. They were still recovering from Denver.
2. When Daniel Jones has time - he IS an NFL QB
Sorry to interrupt the rants
SLayton drops a TD.
BULLSHIT holding call on board
lawerence offside on a missed FG
bitch ass team and bitch coaching staff
They threw on third down! What are you talking about
But bad teams find ways to lose games like this, and this is a bad team. No moral victories here.
Yeah, Jones has to run that spread and be featured as a runner.Thing is he will probably get hurt. But, when they they run him he plays better overall. Jones was really good today.
Why did they run pointlesslly up the middle twice after the pick?
Also, Jones is so fast.
You cant expect an all pro at every position. He has enough talent to beat Bridgewater and Henicke pathetic.
Special teams, discipline lost teh game tonight.
His ridiculous gameplans of playing not to lose, pathetic.
Hes losing the fans, come january, my money is better than even he will not be here. even worse than shurmur imo, at least shurmur was agressive.
No. The Knicks are much better.
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anymore? Very excited about this game review saying we are all idiots. And I'm not talking about Garrett he was excellent. I gurantee it wasn't his gutless decision to run the ball twice when we had the game won with a first down. Fucking Judge.
Garrett had his moments but played for 3 repeatedly, and it burned his ass
Garrett wasn't the one telling him to run the ball twice on that last drive, I guarantee it. And probably wasn't last week on that drive deep in on our own territory where we just punted the drive essentially. We could of scored more tonight, and we played it soft by going for points like this is 1985. When it's 4 and managaable on the edge of FG range and you have a functioning offense, you go for it in todays NFL. Period.
SLayton drops a TD.
BULLSHIT holding call on board
lawerence offside on a missed FG
Yea. You can't make this crap up
But none of this matters b/c we left points on the field.
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anymore? Very excited about this game review saying we are all idiots. And I'm not talking about Garrett he was excellent. I gurantee it wasn't his gutless decision to run the ball twice when we had the game won with a first down. Fucking Judge.
Garrett had his moments but played for 3 repeatedly, and it burned his ass
why do you assume this is garrett... adn if it is garrett then judge is a yes man, he needs to intervene.
Can ANYBODY in this organization NOT do something stupid, especially at the worst time?
Anybody?
Rhetorical question, BTW.
Tell that to Patrick Graham and his soft defense
Agreed, not his fault.
But none of this matters b/c we left points on the field.
Run option would have been a nice play. Or play action roll out with the option to through to Rudolph or run.
The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.
Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.
I dont want to hear it.
SLayton drops a TD.
BULLSHIT holding call on board
lawerence offside on a missed FG
They drive a beautiful car home to mansions, eat an expensive meal, bang their expensive wife, then sleep on Egyptian cotton sheets. That's how. The fans pay for it all... they don't give a rats ass about winning, it's a job for them.
with that defense.
Has to be the worst in the NFL.
Really just a doormat for opposing offenses to wipe their feet on.
Garrett needs to go. Let Freddie Kitchens run the offense.
But is it, really? Didn’t you know how this one was going to end? Truly the most embarrassing franchise in the NFL the past 5 years.
If they win 4 games this year, it will be shocking.
That was a good effort not pretty good. He has lost two offensive lineman and did a hell of a job. your hatred for Jones is just uncalled for.
This is on Judge and Graham
The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.
Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.
eh im sorry but im not blaming DG, mara, jones or the OL for this. sorry but the defense BACK TO BACK weeks cannot get off the fucking field. DC playing zone with man corners as you mentioned is a fucking joke. HUGE penalty by lawerence. joke of a call on board. HUGE drop by slayton. the team just doesnt know how to make the play to win.
Now, I don't even care.
It's the 1970s all over again.
WHAT? That dude ALLEN RUINED OUR RUNNING GAME. He was throwing around our IOL like rag dolls!!!!
He'll either learn from this game and coach more aggressively or they'll continue playing pussy ball and he'll be gone soon.
If its option B he'll lose the team quicker than anyone realizes, I'd say midseason.
New staff, new players, they still find a way to lose.
I honestly believe Garrett thought SB could get a first down. As if we were getting a consistent push They weren’t able to run all game and SB is not even close to 100%. Oblivious to the situation.
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Why coach settles for a fg woth all that time left on the clock ??? Who does that ? Judge is done. I can’t deal with this team
They threw on third down! What are you talking about
They threw short of the marker. Even if Shepherd catches that ball, it's 4th down
I know, I’m a Knicks fans too. I mean we’ve replaced them as a laughingstock.
Classic Giants. Sold their souls for those Super Bowls. That's the only thing that explains any of this.
Now, I don't even care.
It's the 1970s all over again.
1964-1980
You really expect the OL to be consistent week-to-week going forward?
C'mon.
He's actually a good football player. One of the only guys that's not all over social media and prepares properly for games. He showed up tonight. Barkley, Sheppard and the other social media whores need to be gone.
(especially at the end of the season) - the defense looked promising and like they were firing on all cylinders.
This year - the offense scored 29 points tonight (yes they left at least 10 points on the field) but, 29 points should be enough to win any game in the NFL.
I wish these 2 units would take the field at the same time on the same night.
More stupid runs by Barkley on first and second down. And then running it into the line twice after the INT with more than two minutes left when the WFT had all of their timeouts.
Jones played great.
Slayton and Lawrence had bad plays, but they were single plays. Graham and Judge fucked up all night.
Well, Carter drew a 5-yard penalty that got Washington a first down, but that's about it.
Speaking of Carters, is Carter Coughlin in the doghouse? I'll swear he didn't play a single defensive snap tonight.
They basically just said ok let’s get 3 and do our best to stop them. That shit just doesn’t work anymore. No matter how good your defense is, and ours sucked all game. How did they not see that coming.
Just frustrating on so many levels. Being conservative after Bradberry's pick, whatever, I didn't hate the two runs but I would have dialed up a roll put for Jones to pass/run.
Why did Black Picasso not blitz on the final drive? Soft ass coverages which is ended up beating anyway.
He'll either learn from this game and coach more aggressively or they'll continue playing pussy ball and he'll be gone soon.
If its option B he'll lose the team quicker than anyone realizes, I'd say midseason.
New staff, new players, they still find a way to lose.
I agree. Can’t ask your players to play to win and then coach scared.
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Yea but he's strict, wears short sleeve hoodies and looks like a perennial gym teacher.. Like Bill. So he must be good. Funny how all Bill's proteges pick up only the bad and pointless habits lmao.
yes, he was a gamer tonight.
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is so overrated. They couldn't touch Jones in the second half and we had a completely patch-worked interior.
WHAT? That dude ALLEN RUINED OUR RUNNING GAME. He was throwing around our IOL like rag dolls!!!!
Jones had time to throw and score points. We scored 29. We should have scored 40.
Please put the sauce down...
That JG is too conservative at time and deserves to go
That Graham is over rated
That Barkley might fetch a 1st from a dumb team
That if Jones was on nearly any other team he would be looked at a lot differently…. 250 passing nearly 100 rushing and still lose.
I believe all those prayers in 07 and 11 doomed us to top 10 picks from now on
You know who has more receiving yards than he does?
You and me.
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No. The Knicks are much better.
I know, I’m a Knicks fans too. I mean we’ve replaced them as a laughingstock.
Yup.
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I've never considered it in my entire life but I can't do this. This team is the laughingstock of the NFL.
The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.
Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.
eh im sorry but im not blaming DG, mara, jones or the OL for this. sorry but the defense BACK TO BACK weeks cannot get off the fucking field. DC playing zone with man corners as you mentioned is a fucking joke. HUGE penalty by lawerence. joke of a call on board. HUGE drop by slayton. the team just doesnt know how to make the play to win.
I didn't blame Jones on the OL. Jones was great and the OL, all things considered, performed better than could be expected. Their coaches failed them.
The ownership has been failing for a decade. The GM has been failing for 4 years. The coaching staff just put together one of the most embarrassingly inept performances I've ever seen. It's the football equivalent of a surgeon leaving forceps in a patients colon.
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This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.
Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
Or are they waiting until we're 0-5 to unleash him?
We are a bad team. Poorly coached and with owners who are like the Duke brothers from "Trading Places".
This is not going to change anytime soon.
Don't assume Gettleman is on the hot seat and I complimented him on good moves he made in the last 2 seasons ... and then stated - "we might need another HC (AGAIN) by the end of the season.
I am not sure what will happen by the end of the season but, this loss was on the coaching staff. Not FA acquired or draft picks made.
He'll get an extension though since his jersey sells.
The part of the house that needs to be cleaned won't be. Again.
So sick of this shit
How many times can we "clean house" and bring more dirt into the house the next day?
Yeah, we never stunt our DL.
- D easily picked apart, soft…again
- can’t rush the passer AT ALL…again
- slayton drop
- can’t run the ball (from a RB) consistently
- stupid penalties at bad times
- unimaginative play calling after the pick
Jones played his heart out. OL better in pass pro in the second half after losing Gates. Yet, we find ways to lose.
Big picture, right now our D is a bigger problem than the O
He'll get an extension though since his jersey sells.
Most over rated player in football
Oh it does not end there. Even the Giants' website is like a blog from 1995
+1
It is not on either one of them tonight.
That loss is the coaching staff.
I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.
Agree judge is a total bush leaguer not a real nfl head coach. Being bellicheck special teams coach doesn’t mean jack shit.
Or Saquon Barkley. Either or
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You know who has more receiving yards than he does?
You and me.
we have as many targets as he does too...blaming DG for that is like blaming the tool company because your carpenter sucks.
JG is a joke. he schemes NOBODY open. he plays WAY to conservative
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is so overrated. They couldn't touch Jones in the second half and we had a completely patch-worked interior.
WHAT? That dude ALLEN RUINED OUR RUNNING GAME. He was throwing around our IOL like rag dolls!!!!
Jones had time to throw and score points. We scored 29. We should have scored 40.
Please put the sauce down...
Grow up. You know a bullshit holding penalty and a fucking drop by Slayton were the resons there. Oh and KG dropped quite a few too.
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You can’t have coaches who don’t put players in position to win.
Yea but he's strict, wears short sleeve hoodies and looks like a perennial gym teacher.. Like Bill. So he must be good. Funny how all Bill's proteges pick up only the bad and pointless habits lmao.
Yup. All hat, no cattle...
And I don’t want to hear any horseshit about “well we lost the game long before that”…. No, technically it’s true 99% of the plays can’t be pointed to as a singular reason we lost, but that one quite literally CAN. It was literally the difference between us winning and losing at that point.
The OL was very good(at least in pass pro).
The defense struggled but I take issue with the skin more so than I’ve ever taken issue with Jason Garrett on the other side of the ball.
My $0.02
See … this is why can’t take u seriously
he was fucking invisible...my god.
* Jones with one of the best games of his career
* Might not need a QB next draft
* Don't need to sign Saquon to second contract
* If they keep playing like this and keep Jones clean, they can win some games this year
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
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This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.
Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
I'm not saying they should keep Judge over Gettleman. It's entirely possible that they keep Gettleman too. Or that he "retires" like Coughlin and Gilbride did.
I'm just being realistic. Mara still has one more year left on Shurmur's contract. If he fires Judge after this season, he's paying three head coaches next year. That's not going to happen.
The defense was horrific. So soft in coverage. No pressure.
Did someone say we practiced special teams too much? Yeah, guess not.
But beyond pathetic and beyond gutless was the coaching.
We won’t consistently win again for another five to ten years. This shit ain’t over get used to it.
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Wasted a pretty good effort by Jones.
See … this is why can’t take u seriously
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Judge had no guts after the INT. Had to at least try for the TD, especially with the way Jones was playing. Instead two runs up the middle.
Spot on. I would have rushed the house and see how well Heinicke can pass while he is running for his life. The ball less run calls after the interception were terrible. Saquon running with head down, directly into his line gave me zero confidence to hand him the ball in such an opportune time. Play to WIN!!
Young didn't fill up the stat sheet but he impacted the game. He had pressures, Thomas getting a false start trying to get an early jump on him, he wasn't invisible at all.
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Wasted a pretty good effort by Jones.
See … this is why can’t take u seriously
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes u do
So sick of this shit
We're the only team in the NFL that hasn't had a winning record at any point during the season since 2017.
Both of them to be honest . League still promotes and acts as if Barkley is a top 5 RB in the league when in reality he is barely a starter right now
Maybe I am just been a Giant fan for too long and lived through the Paterson Plank Joe era.
Okay we are 0-2, we were that when we came into Washington an won because Clinton Portis was on sideline on last play. That was Eli's first Super Bowl year. We had lost to the Packers the week before by 30 or so.
Anyway, I saw an offensive line that started to jell at least in the passing game. This was against what is considered one of the best defensive lines.
DJ showed what he can do with time. No stupid throws, no fumbles from blind side hits.
Sure he overthrew Slayton by a tad.
Also did you hear Aikman when he said it takes almost two years to recover from torn leg ligaments. Let's give Saquon a pass for a few games.
I hate going to bed after this but I am a cockeyed optimist and am willing to hold off for a couple of games before sounding like some of my fellow fans.
Do any of you remember the 49er playoff loss. The flipper Anderson run through the end zone out of the stadium?
Hey let's give them another week or three.
Game is clearly on Judge. He needs to tell Garrett make sure we get a 1st down, and its his special teams that fucked up.
Read the fucking room.
Same thought (except for the Gano part)
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
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....... Killer investment gettleman ......
You know who has more receiving yards than he does?
You and me.
we have as many targets as he does too...blaming DG for that is like blaming the tool company because your carpenter sucks.
JG is a joke. he schemes NOBODY open. he plays WAY to conservative
He has two catches for -2
I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.
I literally do not understand how you watch that game and thin DG is the problem. He can't coach the fucking players too. Plenty of talent on that field and we had a much better QB tonight and we still managed to lose. Why? Because the coaching on the defensive side of the ball and the HC is baby shit soft.
Player ratings…. Whatever the fuck that actually is, is where your focus is right now?!
Jason Garrett called a pretty good game.
I don’t like him but he called a pretty good game.
Patrick Graham needs to up his game. He needs to make his players accountable and put them in a position to play downhill and aggressively.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Weak analysis, esp on a bad hold call and one three and out?
Defense has played a major role in both loses.
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worst record in football last 5 years. Started the season 0-2 last 5 years in a row. Season has been over after 2 weeks last 5 years.
So sick of this shit
We're the only team in the NFL that hasn't had a winning record at any point during the season since 2017.
We have never been above .500 in Gettleman's GM tenure. 50 games, all .500 or below.
You can understand not having the talent to compete, but that wasn’t the case tonight. The WFT played aggressively as tried pro win. The Giants played scared and not to lose. The Giants just made too many mental mistakes…again.
Judge better be pretty close to his Parcells epiphany about ch aging his ways and trusting himself. If he keeps coaching like this he is going to end up a BB pilot fish like McDaniels.
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How about Chase Young?
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
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This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over
Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.
Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
I'm not saying they should keep Judge over Gettleman. It's entirely possible that they keep Gettleman too. Or that he "retires" like Coughlin and Gilbride did.
I'm just being realistic. Mara still has one more year left on Shurmur's contract. If he fires Judge after this season, he's paying three head coaches next year. That's not going to happen.
They keep losing games like this and he won't have a choice. You cannot possibly keep a staff that has performed how they have the past 2 weeks. It's not hyperbole to say it's some of the worst coaching I've ever seen in my life. And tbh it's shocking. I had fully bought into Judge. And the last 2 weeks have been so catastrophically, gut wrenching, nut twisting, throat punchingly bad that I've completely lost faith. He's a tough talking can't who can't deliver. He's a disciplinarian with an undisciplined team. He's a fucking used car salesman.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
Jones had time to throw and score points. We scored 29. We should have scored 40.
Please put the sauce down...
Grow up. You know a bullshit holding penalty and a fucking drop by Slayton were the resons there. Oh and KG dropped quite a few too.
Can you read? Try left to right.
Are you hitting the sauce, too, tonight?
though in reality, like someone said, we had SO many opportunities on O for points,… plus the crazy D scheme….. and ST misplays.
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
Great analysis!
Yeah I don't understand how you watch last week or this week and think its a personnel problem. It's not.
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
Wrong about what?
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
3-14 here we come
I thought he was yelling at DJ
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How about Chase Young?
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
I’m just numb. It was a close game and went Washington’s way. Oh well.
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the very best thing that can happen to this team is 0-17. They are completely stuck spinning their wheels with Gettleman in charge and they need to have a season that leaves the owners with absolutely no choice. He has completely mismanaged the draft, destroyed the roster through ill-advised trades, and hired a coach that does not look like he's going to work out.
I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.
I literally do not understand how you watch that game and thin DG is the problem. He can't coach the fucking players too. Plenty of talent on that field and we had a much better QB tonight and we still managed to lose. Why? Because the coaching on the defensive side of the ball and the HC is baby shit soft.
The players have all been changed. The coaches have all been changed. There's only a few constants, and they're primarily in the front office.
The Giants have never been above .500 during Gettleman's GM tenure. Never. 50 games. None of them began or ended with the Giants having a winning record.
At some point, that's the GM's fault.
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
Great is a stretch. Good, yes.
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
Wrong about what?
Score 29 on the road - against the 4th ranked Defense last year you should win the game. Against a back up no less. Period.
Plus I LOVE the Jones diss on one throw.
Please stop.
Tomlinson and his Viking front got shredded by the Bengals and their run game. Over 150 rush yards. Stop it.
I feel like they do miss Hill though.
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
Great is a stretch. Good, yes.
slayton catches the ball he is looking at 300 yds 2 TDs 100 rushing and a TD (2 TDs if there wasnt a bullshit hold on board). thats a pretty great performance agsint a good defense on the road.
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
LOL, yeah that's saying a lot
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It's not just the defense.
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
Wrong
theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
Great is a stretch. Good, yes.
He played really well, was our best player on the field tonight.
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to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
Bingo.
Coaching staff lost this game, particularly the defensive game plan and coaching at the end.
If you aren't going to do the right things in the really close games, you're not going to win in the NFL.
Slater dominated. Accept it. First game in the NFL and neither Young or Sweat sniffed Herbert.
Let me repeat that - first game in the NFL.
They lose.
And sometimes in the most embarrassing way possible,
We see you Dexter Lawrence!
It might also be that he hasn't played that well. That DG picked a middling QB is on DG, not vice versa.
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How about Chase Young?
Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...
I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
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here and I think it stems from the simple fact they didn't like the pick or DG.
facts
Major Facts
- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays
That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.
I don’t know why everyone is trying to discredit heineke; the dude never really got many chances but I’ve seen him in two games now and he played well including a great wild card game against the bucs.
He just does not look like an nfl qb as he is undersized but how can you argue those throws the bone headed int aside but shit that is his 3rd start.
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to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
IF they were up 1 and a FG would put them up 4 and force Was to come down and score a TD it would make more sense to make them waste TO.
But to give them a chance to win with just a FG with more then 2 minutes left and a TO is just stupid as shit and shows Judge doesnt get it at all
Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
JFC, try and enjoy the team that you pretend to root for.
I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
McAdoo.
Shurmur.
Judge/Garrett/Graham.
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
You and I rarely agree but I'm 100% in agreement with this. They had a lot of success when they started throwing downfield in the second half - why go away from it? Why not go for 6?
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
They have allowed two middle of the road QBs beat them.
I mean, it hasn't been Rodgers and Mahomes. It's been Bridgewater and Heinicke.
Think about that...
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
Ryan I hear everything you're saying, but our last third down play...wouldnt that have been the 2 min warning with a run?
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Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
JFC, try and enjoy the team that you pretend to root for.
I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
The whole purpose of your presence on BBI is clearly to be an asshole.
You can’t just send and pretend to know things that you don’t or you statistics instead of understanding the game.
I give you credit for being consistent.
But at the end of the day you enjoy the team losing as long ad you get to say , “I told you so.”
EXACTLY
It's swell that he played well against the Skins, which he usually does. Be nice if he played well against a good team occasionally.
I didn't like the pick because I don't like picking a guy at 6 overall to be an average-ish NFL QB.
The fact that we slung the ball all over the field on these guys and then didn’t put the ball in Jones’ hands to put the game away is so gutless.
Also - you’re on the road against the division champion. That’s just such a pussy mindset I don’t even know where to begin.
None of us fans would be hating on it if they had tried to score and just made three incompletions or something. It didn’t matter! There was still going to be 2 minutes left regardless!
If saying he played good but not great is nitpicking sure. Great means they score another td instead of one of the multiple field goals.
I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
The whole purpose of your presence on BBI is clearly to be an asshole.
You can’t just send and pretend to know things that you don’t or you statistics instead of understanding the game.
I give you credit for being consistent.
But at the end of the day you enjoy the team losing as long ad you get to say , “I told you so.”
Go re-read any of my comments tonight. You are just making stuff up.
On second thought, don't waste your time. I couldn't be less interested in what you think.
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to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .
3-14 here we come
Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
Bingo.
Coaching staff lost this game, particularly the defensive game plan and coaching at the end.
If you aren't going to do the right things in the really close games, you're not going to win in the NFL.
Yea the fucking idiot and his timeouts .... it’s like all the guy cares about is using all his time outs and worrying about the opposing team timeouts instead of winning the damn game
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everyone other than the QB combined for 1.5 yards a carry average tonight.
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
They have allowed two middle of the road QBs beat them.
I mean, it hasn't been Rodgers and Mahomes. It's been Bridgewater and Heinicke.
Think about that...
There's no question that this team is bad all around, including on defense. But the run game is glaringly bad - it's essentially non functional.
After going up 26-20 following the Slyton drop who didn’t know the following?
That the Redskins would march down and take the lead (a little surprised it was just 2 plays).
That we would follow that up with a punt.
And that after going up 29-27, Washington was going to do just enough to get the 3 they needed.
This one was shades of @ Philly last year.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
2. If you run on 1st and 2nd down, you HAVE to run on third down. Make Washington use their last timeout. You effectively just gave them a free timeout by doing that. Either make them use all of them or try and score.
3. Everyone on earth knew the defense wasn’t holding up. Stop coaching like the players are always going to make the play. Washington was going to get at least to the 50 again. It was just plain obvious.
4. You were GIFTED a chance to win the game by a horrific INT (and play call for that matter) and you basically said oh ok thanks boys, we will just take 3 and maybe hope you stop you!
What a fucking joke.
Just complete ignorance in terms of time management. It felt like they didn't understand that WFT could just call two timeouts after those dummy "clock" runs to force the Giants in an obvious pass 3rd and long. You get a first down and you basically win the game. It's insane they didn't even really try there.
The second to last Gano FG is not going to get enough shit. It was a mind-numbingly dumb attempt despite the conversion. It's a lower conversion 55 yard FG attempt, very far from a gimme. I don't care about the faith you have in your kicker. You're taking the game from 3 points to 6 points. It's a makeable 4th down attempt, if you convert that you put yourself in position to score 7 AND kill clock. It's a 4th down conversion that could end the game. It's clouded by the 2 play WFT scoring drive, 3 play turnover drive and 3 play whatever the fuck Giants drive. That was a critical decision.
After going up 26-20 following the Slyton drop who didn’t know the following?
That the Redskins would march down and take the lead (a little surprised it was just 2 plays).
That we would follow that up with a punt.
And that after going up 29-27, Washington was going to do just enough to get the 3 they needed.
This one was shades of @ Philly last year.
Aikman called it. After the slayton drop and two consecutive falls starts, he said something along the lines of, "as a giants fan you gotta be thinking here we go again"
He wasn't the problem tonight. He has been the problem before.
Just like Lawrence hasn't been the problem usually, but he was one of the problems tonight.
The Giants have plenty of dumb to go around when they need to find a way to lose a game. It's not always the same guy.
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everyone other than the QB combined for 1.5 yards a carry average tonight.
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
They have allowed two middle of the road QBs beat them.
I mean, it hasn't been Rodgers and Mahomes. It's been Bridgewater and Heinicke.
Think about that...
There's no question that this team is bad all around, including on defense. But the run game is glaringly bad - it's essentially non functional.
I am a Graham guy, but his side of the ball is are mostly ghosts right now.
I can't figure it out.
I think i am, that's why did at least try to throw there. If they run, WSH lets it go down to 2 min, and we kick the FG, they get the ball at the 25 with about a 1:53 and 1 TO....
And of course still drive the field and get in FG range...totally predictable.
JJ coached scared at the end, plain and simple.
I really hope he learns from it.
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
The running game in the current NFL has moderate (or less) correlation with wins.
The problem isn't their inability to run. It's their insistence upon running when it's not working.
We lost the Philly game mainly because of the Engram drop - but it’s not like the offense played that well that whole game.
The offense was great tonight and the coordinator and head coach didn’t let them do more.
2) Will we just play soft zone with no pass rush all season?
3) Could we be more conservative on offense?
4) Don't take a shot at the end zone after picking the ball off at the WFT 20? Settle for a 3 and FG?
5) Holding call? 4 points. Dropped TD. 4 points. False start to knock us out of FG range. 3 points. That's 11 points left on the field. Then a fucking offsides by the NT on a FG? Another 3 point swing for a total of 14 points difference.
6) For all the tough talk, this is an undisciplined team.
7) Another fucking nobody tear up the D.
8) I'm just sick after that game.
9) Gano outscored the rest of the offense.
10) I'm sick of the same old shit.
11) Did I say I'm sick of this?
We are playing possum...by week 8 we are going to switch gears and lock opposing WRs down! Too bad we'll be out of contention by then.
2) Will we just play soft zone with no pass rush all season?
3) Could we be more conservative on offense?
4) Don't take a shot at the end zone after picking the ball off at the WFT 20? Settle for a 3 and FG?
5) Holding call? 4 points. Dropped TD. 4 points. False start to knock us out of FG range. 3 points. That's 11 points left on the field. Then a fucking offsides by the NT on a FG? Another 3 point swing for a total of 14 points difference.
6) For all the tough talk, this is an undisciplined team.
7) Another fucking nobody tear up the D.
8) I'm just sick after that game.
9) Gano outscored the rest of the offense.
10) I'm sick of the same old shit.
11) Did I say I'm sick of this?
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the defensive performance does not make sense to me. I thought we would be playing a lot more man this year with the additions. But, I could be missing something.
We are playing possum...by week 8 we are going to switch gears and lock opposing WRs down! Too bad we'll be out of contention by then.
I knew I was missing something!
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
yea those people are fucking clowns. thats a catchable ball. 10 pt lead imo really deflates skins there. we still may in a tight game but we up 2 scores is a MAJOR difference. I was with ab uddy and told him we just lost game on that drop. i said it and believed it then, i believe it now. that was a HUGE mo change
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has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
Yes they did. Check the game thread.
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has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
are you blind? at least 3 people on this thread said it was a bad pass.
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has to lead the team in passing AND rushing. He's the only reason we score at all...and people are crying that it's his fault that Slayton doesn't catch a pass that 99% of all NFL WRs catch. Love it.
Nobody blamed him for Slaytons drop. Stop making shit up.
yes they did bro. its all over the board. people said it was an overthrow
It's early, but that certainly is looking like a very poor decision.
That is why I said, I may be missing something.
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Aren't you glad we drafted Toney in the first round to see Board returning kicks, punts (sometimes), and getting snaps on offense ahead of Toney?
It's early, but that certainly is looking like a very poor decision.
What a wasted pick! We have no idea how to use him.
He may have some hammy issues going on but I COMPLETELY agree w u. It’s getting late awfully early.
I think we're getting closer and closer to finding out what Sy has been hinting at with Toney.
S-A-W-F-T. SAWWWWWWWFT. Little-to-no man-to-man and little-to-no pressure. Johnnie Lynn was coaching our defense tonight.
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Aren't you glad we drafted Toney in the first round to see Board returning kicks, punts (sometimes), and getting snaps on offense ahead of Toney?
I think we're getting closer and closer to finding out what Sy has been hinting at with Toney.
Maybe so. Just something just doesn’t add up. Just doesn’t feel right. Just doesn’t feel like something as simple as a lingering injury.
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Why the FUCK weren’t we blitzing this fucking QB all night long. He was just throwing passes into the air ready for us to get some turnovers.
S-A-W-F-T. SAWWWWWWWFT. Little-to-no man-to-man and little-to-no pressure. Johnnie Lynn was coaching our defense tonight.
to me, this was the biggest reason for loss. we were soft all night. it was a fucking hjoke to see JB and AJ 10 yards off the WR. mclaurin is good but he isnt jerry rice....its ridiculous
I would have pressured him and played tight man/man coverage.
He throws a ton of high throws.
I know he's only played three games, and done pretty well, but I don't think he's long for the league.
When teams get more film on him, he's going to struggle IMO.
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everyone other than the QB combined for 1.5 yards a carry average tonight.
The Giants can't run the ball . . . at all. It's the single biggest reason why they are 0-2
The running game in the current NFL has moderate (or less) correlation with wins.
The problem isn't their inability to run. It's their insistence upon running when it's not working.
You don't have to be great at running the ball to win in today's NFL - but you can't not run the ball. If the run game is abandoned entirely, or the backs are averaging under 3 yards a carry that places alot of burden on the QB, as well as the defense that's depending on the rest from sustained drives. This team is not equipped to hold up to that sort of pressure.
It’s almost like Graham thinks Rodgers was on the opposite side.
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I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
The whole purpose of your presence on BBI is clearly to be an asshole.
You can’t just send and pretend to know things that you don’t or you statistics instead of understanding the game.
I give you credit for being consistent.
But at the end of the day you enjoy the team losing as long ad you get to say , “I told you so.”
Go re-read any of my comments tonight. You are just making stuff up.
On second thought, don't waste your time. I couldn't be less interested in what you think.
I suppose there are enough people here that are just fine with your condescending posts. I’m not one of them.
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It is still unfathomable to me that they didn’t try and score.
1. Washington had all of their timeouts. So - even if you run - they are going to get the ball back with 2 minutes and all they need is a FG
What a fucking joke.
Just complete ignorance in terms of time management. It felt like they didn't understand that WFT could just call two timeouts after those dummy "clock" runs to force the Giants in an obvious pass 3rd and long. You get a first down and you basically win the game. It's insane they didn't even really try there.
The second to last Gano FG is not going to get enough shit. It was a mind-numbingly dumb attempt despite the conversion. It's a lower conversion 55 yard FG attempt, very far from a gimme. I don't care about the faith you have in your kicker. You're taking the game from 3 points to 6 points. It's a makeable 4th down attempt, if you convert that you put yourself in position to score 7 AND kill clock. It's a 4th down conversion that could end the game. It's clouded by the 2 play WFT scoring drive, 3 play turnover drive and 3 play whatever the fuck Giants drive. That was a critical decision.
Preaching to the choir and said it on the game thread. Ironically Belichick would have 100 percent got these details right. Judge may have great attention to detail, but he shrinks like a violet when the pressure is on. I’d be more willing to give him a pass if it wasn’t his SECOND year.
I hope Judge has the sense to not push those buttons for a while, because that won’t work.
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He throws a ton of high throws.
I know he's only played three games, and done pretty well, but I don't think he's long for the league.
When teams get more film on him, he's going to struggle IMO.
There plenty of film on him, dude played in XFL. He’s a decent QB, but limited which why he’s destined to be a backup/marginal starter.
What the fuck I don’t understand is treating Bridewater and him like they are fucking Rogers and they are going to torch us down field. Get more aggressive, and if their skill players beat us, so be it. But make Teddy and Heinecke do it with tough throws.
Whatever. They played that way all game and have played that way ever since Judge has been the coach. It isn’t working.
I hope Judge has the sense to not push those buttons for a while, because that won’t work.
Did somebody on the staff jump offside on that missed field goal?
Not so sure about that, but even when we do play man, we sit so ducking far off the ball might as well play zone. Literally two weeks in a row you are playing weak armed QBs, make them beat you over the top. At worst they get a chunk play but they ain’t hitting anyone in stride down the field for a score.
I’m okay with getting attacked and criticized. But at least have some substance for a change.
The whole decision process when it's a long FG attempt and shorter 4th down attempt in a 1 score vs 2 score situation. I wasn't following the game thread but I was shocked it wasn't questioned more on the broadcast. It won't be questioned in hindsight because Gano converted but they could have won it there.
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The high school football coach act is not going to go over well this week, when it was the staff who blew it.
I hope Judge has the sense to not push those buttons for a while, because that won’t work.
Did somebody on the staff jump offside on that missed field goal?
Lol do you really think that’s what this game came down to? And if he made the original 47 yard fg? They shouldn’t even have been in that situation because our coaches were gutless. Even Ganos second to last fg its 4 and 4 inside the 35 and your offense is rolling. Judge is coaching like it’s 1995 or we have a totally inept offense still. If I’m DJ next time I’m
Rogering his ass and keeping the FG unit off the field. Someone needs to lead this team and Judge failed it.
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Aren't you glad we drafted Toney in the first round to see Board returning kicks, punts (sometimes), and getting snaps on offense ahead of Toney?
It's early, but that certainly is looking like a very poor decision.
I'd also not like so many ST specialist on a roster needing more talent.
The whole decision process when it's a long FG attempt and shorter 4th down attempt in a 1 score vs 2 score situation. I wasn't following the game thread but I was shocked it wasn't questioned more on the broadcast. It won't be questioned in hindsight because Gano converted but they could have won it there.
There were a few people who questioned it on the game thread but I was like if we score a TD on this drive the game is effectively over.
At this point I’m hoping the press eats him the fuck alive and actually has the humility to change. I actually believe we saw that in Garret tonight. I legit did not see the game he called tonight coming. Less sticks concepts, tons of passing on 1st down, more motion. He gets a B plus from me because I gurantee it was Judge who told him how to call it at the end (and now it’s blindingly obvious who called the shots last week where we essentially punted a drive from inside our own 5 after a big TO)
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The high school football coach act is not going to go over well this week, when it was the staff who blew it.
I hope Judge has the sense to not push those buttons for a while, because that won’t work.
Did somebody on the staff jump offside on that missed field goal?
The dumb contrarian shit is tired. The Giants suck. Why you choose to play deaf, dumb, and blind to it is your choice.
It’s Judge that called that in the end though, is there even a doubt based on the decision making we’ve seen? My only gripe with Garret tonight is I wish he’d stop running negative plays that aren’t direct shots at the end zone on the edge of FG range. Like cool if you pick up 20 on a WR reverse, you still need to score in the red zone which is difficult. It’s not worth the 7 yard loss. But that’s nitpicking.
Whatever. They played that way all game and have played that way ever since Judge has been the coach. It isn’t working.
Haven't we been down that path before, though? On both sides of it, actually.
Being up 3 tends to lure the other team into playing for a FG to tie. Being up 6 forces them to play for a TD that takes the lead. Granted, it's harder to score a TD than a FG, but in terms of how you might game your opponent, it's not crazy to say that you'd obviously prefer to be up 10, but failing that, being up 3 is not a terrible outcome since it has a strong likelihood of resulting in a tie if/when you get the ball back, rather than having to score to take back the lead.
It's all academic at this point, of course. But there definitely is some merit in the benefit of being up 3 rather than 4/5/6. And that's not to say you shouldn't try to tack onto a 3 point lead; just that you should try to tack on a TD, not another FG.
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Garrett's gonna get shit because of that last sequence, rightfully so, but until that point I thought it was his strongest game. He did everything that people were calling for - a lot of zone read with Jones attacking the edges, a little RPO, he attacked the sticks on first down and second down, he took some shots in uncomfortable spots. This was a great start in that respect, it felt like Jones and the offense actually had a chance for a change. Him and the rest of the coaches have to stop turtling in critical situations though.
It’s Judge that called that in the end though, is there even a doubt based on the decision making we’ve seen? My only gripe with Garret tonight is I wish he’d stop running negative plays that aren’t direct shots at the end zone on the edge of FG range. Like cool if you pick up 20 on a WR reverse, you still need to score in the red zone which is difficult. It’s not worth the 7 yard loss. But that’s nitpicking.
He's gotta set some of these up. You can't just whip out random gadgets, he should be running some of these as decoys. That's what Shannahan does, he's running tons of Deebo jet sweep action until it's not a fake anymore. Every time we run a pass catcher behind the line of scrimmage he's getting the ball.
Link is to the point in the PC where he says this, because I had to hear his exact words myself to believe it.
One first down very likely wins the game. Not getting a first down likely loses it, given the game situation (time and timeouts remaining) and game flow up to that point.
I think I can almost always see both sides of a strategy choice, but this one to me is unfathomable.
If Judge had said something like, "We called the plays we thought gave us the best chance to win", I would still have disagreed, but would give him the benefit of some shadow of a doubt.
But to come out and flatly say that the first thing on his mind in that situation wasn't getting a first down, but rather burning WFT's timeouts . . . unsettling.
say it ain't so joe - ( New Window )
Maybe, get a 1st down.....and milk clock to 30sec....
But with WFT having all their TOs, the 2min TO still to go and only needing a FG is just a wrong, dumb strategy.
The Giants needed at least 1st down....probably 2. .....leaving them 30sec....I can understand better....still felt a TD was needed
Joe Judge kicking the second to last FG on 4th & 4 was a LOSER’S MOVE. Being up 6 is worthless. The FG was 55 fucking yards too! (Thankfully Gano made it.) The goal had to be TD there, nothing else. I don’t have as much of a problem with the play calling post INT. If you’re going to stress discipline, then your team can’t be committing a bunch of simply asinine penalties, including one that loses you the game. Judge has to get his shit together.
Jason Garrett needs to find Trump’s ghostwriter and pen, “THE ART OF LOSING FIVE YARDS ON FIRST DOWN.”
Patrick Graham is off to a horrendous start so far. The defense is fucking clueless despite the fact that Adoree Jackson is 10,000% better than whoever was playing opposite Bradberry last year. The goal line play mentioned earlier in which the Giants gave a wide open gap and allowed the WTFs to run through it is just shitty coaching. Also, someone might want to get close to McLaurin.
I do have a problem with motherfuckers dropping the ball left and right. All three receivers fucked them, including Shep on that last drive. Was Kenny Motherfucking Golladay really yelling at Daniel Jones???? This asshole dropped at least three passes!!!! The Slayton play just has to get made. The end.
Of course Nick Gates got hurt. Of fucking course.
Really had to work hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory here.
It’s a pathetic franchise at the moment that needs a purge from top to bottom.
I think we could forgive Joe Judge and his 3-yards and a cloud of dust strategy had one of these two conditions had existed:
(1) There was very little time on the clock, and forcing Washington to burn timeouts would have essentially iced the game; or,
(2) The Giants defense was stoning Washington all night long.
Everyone on BBI is painfully aware that neither condition existed, so kicking a FG to go up 2 points with over two minutes left was just a terrible decision by Joe Judge.
And then just to punish Giants fans for being Giants fans, we have Exhibit #97: Dexter Lawrence.
Also when the coach puts out the message to the offense that I have very little trust in you, it becomes contagious (i.e., not becoming aggressive after the turnover with 2 minutes left in the game).
Kadarius Toney: Great pick by the Giants. They could have had LB Micah Parsons or OT Rashawn Slater.
Toney is reminding me of a Giants first round pick back in the mid-seventies: Rocky Thompson! Had all the skills but couldn't do anything else but return kickoffs.
Toney hasn't even done that yet.
But it's quite understandable as our special teams punt and kick returners have been so spectacular!!!???
Also when the coach puts out the message to the offense that I have very little trust in you, it becomes contagious (i.e., not becoming aggressive after the turnover with 2 minutes left in the game).
Kadarius Toney: Great pick by the Giants. They could have had LB Micah Parsons or OT Rashawn Slater.
Toney is reminding me of a Giants first round pick back in the mid-seventies: Rocky Thompson! Had all the skills but couldn't do anything else but return kickoffs.
Toney hasn't even done that yet.
But it's quite understandable as our special teams punt and kick returners have been so spectacular!!!???
I may have asked this before...but how/why royhobbs7? Hobbs was #9.
Did not like the surrender playcall to run it twice up the middle, and barkley looked like he wanted to be anywhere else on earth on those runs that went nowhere.
some positives:
* overall O played pretty well against a tough front. I thought sagged a little after Gates went down but they bounced back.
* Garrett called a good game I thought, using Jones athleticism, moving the pocket, mixing it up with power formations.
* Jones had a good game. Still a few missed opportuinites, but overall looked good to me.
Negatives:
* Defense
* mistakes
And if we do finish last in the division, I know Gettleman is probably gone. But what about Judge's status?
I think many of us are questioning whether the players are buying into his system. I.e., losing affects everything!!!
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
Yup! Nothing else needs to be said. How many other NFL coaches would have settled for a FG with 2 minutes and a timeout left for your opponent to win the game. That screams "lack of confidence in his offense'!
This will not be a easy game to recover from. The message of playing not to lose will resonate with players.
That said there were some very encouraging things on offense.
That last Giants drive though. Unbelievable. That was a ideal time on first down to show run, play action and put the game away.
Think they're missing Tomlinson. Perhaps not a top tier player, but certainly a key ingredient re: last year's success.
Ojulari getting sacks - where's his help from the other outside LBs?
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
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is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
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It is not the number of penalties as much as when they occur............ seemingly at the most critical times. We lost the game because of several offensive line mistakes and because of a holding (however questionable) and an off-side on a FG. Those are the crucial disciplinary aspects that need to be corrected, (if possible) and lose games.
Some teams are penalized a multitude of times. But they can recover from their penalties. Apparently, the Giants cannot!
Regarding fumbles The game against Denver was lost for many reasons. But Jones's fumble was the catalyst! Let's see how turnover prone the Giants are this year before you "annoint" them as better disciplined than previously!
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
They need a total house cleaning. Top to bottom.
hire a coach outside bellichek tree, they never work out. i dont think flores will either. Hire an offensive coach.
And if we do finish last in the division, I know Gettleman is probably gone. But what about Judge's status?
I think many of us are questioning whether the players are buying into his system. I.e., losing affects everything!!!
It is ridiculous just how SOFT they play in the secondary
in their zone scheme, don't agree with that philosophy.
Simply too big of a cushion for opposing receivers.
Think they're missing Tomlinson. Perhaps not a top tier player, but certainly a key ingredient re: last year's success.
Ojulari getting sacks - where's his help from the other outside LBs?
That kid Ojulari, needs to get more snaps. The closest the
'X' Man got to the QB, was when they were exchanging jerseys after the game. Protocols, what protocols?
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
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IMO its 7-8.
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
probably, right.. unless the idiotic behavior continues and there is a complete meltdown. But I expect Judge to reign in his childish yelling and straighten things out a bit.