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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2021 11:33 pm
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Did Ximes and Carter  
noro9 : 9/16/2021 11:51 pm : link
Play tonight?
This will be  
GiantGrit : 9/16/2021 11:51 pm : link
Joe Judge's defining moment here.

He'll either learn from this game and coach more aggressively or they'll continue playing pussy ball and he'll be gone soon.

If its option B he'll lose the team quicker than anyone realizes, I'd say midseason.

New staff, new players, they still find a way to lose.
RE: I'd  
jrthomps2006 : 9/16/2021 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15371968 AcidTest said:
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like to know if Judge told Garrett to play it conservative after the INT. Got to believe he did.


I honestly believe Garrett thought SB could get a first down. As if we were getting a consistent push They weren’t able to run all game and SB is not even close to 100%. Oblivious to the situation.
RE: RE: Conservative  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2021 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15371940 rnargi said:
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Why coach settles for a fg woth all that time left on the clock ??? Who does that ? Judge is done. I can’t deal with this team



They threw on third down! What are you talking about


They threw short of the marker. Even if Shepherd catches that ball, it's 4th down
defense a huge disappointment  
bc4life : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
30 points by WFT with Heinike?

Judge talks a good game, but he doesn’t have it.  
Jim in Hoboken : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
You can’t have coaches who don’t put players in position to win.
RE: RE: This is old school Browns/Jets level shit.  
bceagle05 : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15371949 AcidTest said:
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No. The Knicks are much better.

I know, I’m a Knicks fans too. I mean we’ve replaced them as a laughingstock.
What  
mittenedman : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
an absolute joke - and they lose Gates for the season and possibly worse.

Classic Giants. Sold their souls for those Super Bowls. That's the only thing that explains any of this.
RE: There was a time that a loss like this would have left me  
M.S. : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15372031 Hammer said:
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inconsolable.

Now, I don't even care.

It's the 1970s all over again.

1964-1980
RE: Ok be hysterical but….  
giantstock : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15371922 gersh said:
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1. Our OL a finally looked OK with 2 guys who weren’t even on the team 2 weeks ago



You really expect the OL to be consistent week-to-week going forward?

C'mon.
RE: Sucks for Jones  
The Truth : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15371977 Southern Man said:
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He played a good game


He's actually a good football player. One of the only guys that's not all over social media and prepares properly for games. He showed up tonight. Barkley, Sheppard and the other social media whores need to be gone.
I would like to see a better view  
Ike#88 : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
of the offsides on the field goal that was missed. It looked like the center had started his snap when Lawrence started his rush. It was just a slow snap motion.
Last year ..  
short lease : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link

(especially at the end of the season) - the defense looked promising and like they were firing on all cylinders.

This year - the offense scored 29 points tonight (yes they left at least 10 points on the field) but, 29 points should be enough to win any game in the NFL.

I wish these 2 units would take the field at the same time on the same night.
Of all the issues in this game  
Pork Chop : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
why on earth are you throwing before the 2 min warning? I know a first down ends the game, but the route was short of the first and running the clock was way more important.
Gettleman draft picks flushed this one.  
St. Jimmy : 9/16/2021 11:52 pm : link
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This  
AcidTest : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
loss had nothing to do with Tomlinson or Hill. It was all Graham. Again, why pay two man CBs a ton of money to play zone? Heinicke is a scrub. A journeyman backup at best. You blitz the hell out of a QB like that. Make him beat you. Graham instead gave him a nice clean pocket by rushing only four.

More stupid runs by Barkley on first and second down. And then running it into the line twice after the INT with more than two minutes left when the WFT had all of their timeouts.

Jones played great.

Slayton and Lawrence had bad plays, but they were single plays. Graham and Judge fucked up all night.
RE: Did Ximes and Carter  
Angel Eyes : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15372040 noro9 said:
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Play tonight?

Well, Carter drew a 5-yard penalty that got Washington a first down, but that's about it.

Speaking of Carters, is Carter Coughlin in the doghouse? I'll swear he didn't play a single defensive snap tonight.
I’ve been very critical of jones  
GiantsFan84 : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
This was the best game of his career. Yea they lost but Jones finally gave me a little bit of a reason to believe he can be good. The line finally gave him some time and he looked great. He needs to string a lot of games like this together but I’m finally optimistic about him again
 
ryanmkeane : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
The game was lost when they decided to kick a field goal instead of try to win the game (or make it a lot harder for Washington to win)

They basically just said ok let’s get 3 and do our best to stop them. That shit just doesn’t work anymore. No matter how good your defense is, and ours sucked all game. How did they not see that coming.
This is 100% on Joe Judge  
jvm52106 : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
and his fucking pansy play. Down 1 with the ball at the 20 and just over 2 minutes left, you aren't playing the clock..You go for the Td and then from there go for 2.. He runs Barkley, who clearly isn't the same Barkley and who was getting tripped up much too easily in the 4th qtr, twice up the middle. Then we throw on 3rd and 9 and its incomplete. That is a loser play, no guts at all!
.....  
Micko : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
This was mostly execution.
Jones  
Toth029 : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
Would have had over 400 yards total offense and 4 TD's if his teammates didn't drop the ball. Literally.

Just frustrating on so many levels. Being conservative after Bradberry's pick, whatever, I didn't hate the two runs but I would have dialed up a roll put for Jones to pass/run.

Why did Black Picasso not blitz on the final drive? Soft ass coverages which is ended up beating anyway.
RE: This will be  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15372042 GiantGrit said:
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Joe Judge's defining moment here.

He'll either learn from this game and coach more aggressively or they'll continue playing pussy ball and he'll be gone soon.

If its option B he'll lose the team quicker than anyone realizes, I'd say midseason.

New staff, new players, they still find a way to lose.


I agree. Can’t ask your players to play to win and then coach scared.
RE: Look at the schedule  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15371916 Giantfan21 said:
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This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over

Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.
RE: Judge talks a good game, but he doesn’t have it.  
The Truth : 9/16/2021 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15372067 Jim in Hoboken said:
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You can’t have coaches who don’t put players in position to win.


Yea but he's strict, wears short sleeve hoodies and looks like a perennial gym teacher.. Like Bill. So he must be good. Funny how all Bill's proteges pick up only the bad and pointless habits lmao.
Kadarius Toney for ROY  
KerrysFlask : 9/16/2021 11:54 pm : link
....... Killer investment gettleman ......
RE: I’ve been very critical of jones  
Producer : 9/16/2021 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15372096 GiantsFan84 said:
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This was the best game of his career. Yea they lost but Jones finally gave me a little bit of a reason to believe he can be good. The line finally gave him some time and he looked great. He needs to string a lot of games like this together but I’m finally optimistic about him again


yes, he was a gamer tonight.
We are the laughing stock  
BlueManCrew : 9/16/2021 11:54 pm : link
Of the NFL. Fucking losers. Washington is a bad team, so at this rate we will have a hard time winning 4 games. Entire team was undisciplined and missed 4-5 chances to put them away. Wasted a good game from Jones.
RE: RE: The WFT DL...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2021 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15372034 bluewave said:
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is so overrated. They couldn't touch Jones in the second half and we had a completely patch-worked interior.



WHAT? That dude ALLEN RUINED OUR RUNNING GAME. He was throwing around our IOL like rag dolls!!!!


Jones had time to throw and score points. We scored 29. We should have scored 40.

Please put the sauce down...
I’ve come to the conclusion  
kes722 : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
That this team is shit.
That JG is too conservative at time and deserves to go
That Graham is over rated
That Barkley might fetch a 1st from a dumb team
That if Jones was on nearly any other team he would be looked at a lot differently…. 250 passing nearly 100 rushing and still lose.

I believe all those prayers in 07 and 11 doomed us to top 10 picks from now on
The  
AcidTest : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
Giants should get several patents for how many new ways they invented to lose.
RE: Kadarius Toney for ROY  
Anakim : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15372117 KerrysFlask said:
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....... Killer investment gettleman ......


You know who has more receiving yards than he does?


You and me.
RE: RE: RE: This is old school Browns/Jets level shit.  
AcidTest : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15372068 bceagle05 said:
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No. The Knicks are much better.


I know, I’m a Knicks fans too. I mean we’ve replaced them as a laughingstock.


Yup.
Oddly enough  
AcesUp : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
I felt Garrett called a good game. The long fg conversion by Gano was a dumb call. That’s a low percentage fg attempt to push the game from one score to one score. Garrett/Judge then turtled after the Bradberry int. They have 3 timeouts and the two minute warning, you’re not gonna kill clock. You NEED the first down. Two clock killing plays that put you in an obvious pass 3rd down right before the two minute warning are not gonna help you win the game. Some execution issues and iffy calls but this one falls on Judge.
RE: RE: I honestly dont think I'm watching anymore.  
j_rud : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15372028 BleedBlue said:
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I've never considered it in my entire life but I can't do this. This team is the laughingstock of the NFL.

The owner is stuck in a time warp.
The GM is a fucking buffoon who is on year 4 of his OL rebuild.
The head coach is a disciplinarian with an undisciplined, disorganized team.
The D coordinator would LOVE to play man, so they spend 100 mill on press corners...and he plays zone
The O coordinator refuses to play to his units strengths and is the only coach in the league who approaches a 2 score deficit like its a 3 score lead.

Fuck them all with a rusty pineapple.




eh im sorry but im not blaming DG, mara, jones or the OL for this. sorry but the defense BACK TO BACK weeks cannot get off the fucking field. DC playing zone with man corners as you mentioned is a fucking joke. HUGE penalty by lawerence. joke of a call on board. HUGE drop by slayton. the team just doesnt know how to make the play to win.


I didn't blame Jones on the OL. Jones was great and the OL, all things considered, performed better than could be expected. Their coaches failed them.

The ownership has been failing for a decade. The GM has been failing for 4 years. The coaching staff just put together one of the most embarrassingly inept performances I've ever seen. It's the football equivalent of a surgeon leaving forceps in a patients colon.
Can anyone tell m  
bluesince56 : 9/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
what is the “Giant Way”
How is this on Mara or Gettleman  
Giants73 : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
Everyone touting that Judge is making the decisions in the drafts and touting the draft. Every player they asked for they got. Melvin Ingrams available and Judge and Graham wanted Jackson. Mara has given these guys all the money they want. I don’t see Mara and gettleman making the calls on being gutless and playing soft zone and never bringing extra rushers or ever running stunts with the down linemen. Do they decide to settle for 3 or punt from the 39. Nope that’s the pu$$ who is head coach.
RE: RE: Look at the schedule  
Giantfan21 : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
In comment 15372109 Gatorade Dunk said:
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This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over


Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.


Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.

Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season
This fucking team sucks!  
AnishPatel : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
Fuck! We had this game and we fucking blow!
Wtf is the deal with Toney?  
FranknWeezer : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
We drafted a gadget guy with our #1 and he gets no touches
Where  
AcidTest : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
the fuck was Toney?

Or are they waiting until we're 0-5 to unleash him?
The teams main passing threat is Sterling Shepard right now.  
St. Jimmy : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
If that doesn't change the team will need last year's division to go somewhere.
Joe Judge  
KDubbs : 9/16/2021 11:56 pm : link
can talk a good game but he cant back shit up. What a pussy coach. Hopefully he's running laps home from Washington.
STILL a losing culture.  
Crispino : 9/16/2021 11:57 pm : link
I foresee cleaning house in our future. Again.
This outcome has become the norm..  
EricJ : 9/16/2021 11:57 pm : link
Since 2011, we have a larger collection of bad losses than the we have wins. This should be no surprised to anyone and in fact, it should be expected.

We are a bad team. Poorly coached and with owners who are like the Duke brothers from "Trading Places".

This is not going to change anytime soon.
MSG postgame is its typical mess.  
bceagle05 : 9/16/2021 11:57 pm : link
Audio issues. High school AV clubs could produce a better show.
I said a few days ago -  
short lease : 9/16/2021 11:57 pm : link

Don't assume Gettleman is on the hot seat and I complimented him on good moves he made in the last 2 seasons ... and then stated - "we might need another HC (AGAIN) by the end of the season.

I am not sure what will happen by the end of the season but, this loss was on the coaching staff. Not FA acquired or draft picks made.
And a hot take (i'm fired up over here)  
GiantGrit : 9/16/2021 11:57 pm : link
I don't see it with Saquon. Average vision, average pass blocking and he just never finishes runs. He runs soft. Not my style of RB. I wouldn't resign him.

He'll get an extension though since his jersey sells.
RE: STILL a losing culture.  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2021 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15372184 Crispino said:
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I foresee cleaning house in our future. Again.

The part of the house that needs to be cleaned won't be. Again.
18-48 inthe last 66 games  
Giantfan21 : 9/16/2021 11:58 pm : link
worst record in football last 5 years. Started the season 0-2 last 5 years in a row. Season has been over after 2 weeks last 5 years.

So sick of this shit
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