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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2021 11:33 pm
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Judge press conference  
bluesince56 : 9/17/2021 12:06 am : link
Same old BS.
RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 12:06 am : link
In comment 15372348 Go Terps said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.


Weak analysis, esp on a bad hold call and one three and out?

Defense has played a major role in both loses.
Wastesd a phenomenal game from Gano  
FranknWeezer : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
Also wtf was going on with Golladay screaming at the equipment guy cleaning his visor on the sideline???
RE: RE: 18-48 inthe last 66 games  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
In comment 15372315 AcidTest said:
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worst record in football last 5 years. Started the season 0-2 last 5 years in a row. Season has been over after 2 weeks last 5 years.

So sick of this shit



We're the only team in the NFL that hasn't had a winning record at any point during the season since 2017.

We have never been above .500 in Gettleman's GM tenure. 50 games, all .500 or below.
The  
AcidTest : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
Giants offense played much better in the second half. Slayton's drop and Lawrence's offsides were terrible. But those played were less hurtful than the terrible coaching from Judge and Graham.
Through two weeks this year  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
It is clear this team is not mentally prepared. It is a poorly coached team.

You can understand not having the talent to compete, but that wasn’t the case tonight. The WFT played aggressively as tried pro win. The Giants played scared and not to lose. The Giants just made too many mental mistakes…again.

Judge better be pretty close to his Parcells epiphany about ch aging his ways and trusting himself. If he keeps coaching like this he is going to end up a BB pilot fish like McDaniels.
RE: RE: Most overrated player in football?  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
In comment 15372288 bw in dc said:
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How about Chase Young?



Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...


I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Look at the schedule  
j_rud : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
In comment 15372290 Gatorade Dunk said:
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This team aint winning more then 3 games the rest of the season. Goodbye Judge , goodbye Gettleman , Season is over


Gettleman maybe. But Mara's not paying THREE head coaches next year. He's still on the hook for one more year of Shurmur (the offset for his OC salary in Denver isn't that much), which means that Judge has at least one more year before he gets canned.



Can;t bring in a new GM with a lameduck coach. Asking for trouble.

Judhe hasn't done anything to deserve a 3rd season. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch next season


I'm not saying they should keep Judge over Gettleman. It's entirely possible that they keep Gettleman too. Or that he "retires" like Coughlin and Gilbride did.

I'm just being realistic. Mara still has one more year left on Shurmur's contract. If he fires Judge after this season, he's paying three head coaches next year. That's not going to happen.


They keep losing games like this and he won't have a choice. You cannot possibly keep a staff that has performed how they have the past 2 weeks. It's not hyperbole to say it's some of the worst coaching I've ever seen in my life. And tbh it's shocking. I had fully bought into Judge. And the last 2 weeks have been so catastrophically, gut wrenching, nut twisting, throat punchingly bad that I've completely lost faith. He's a tough talking can't who can't deliver. He's a disciplinarian with an undisciplined team. He's a fucking used car salesman.
Play not to lose  
Regular Coffee : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
Joe "play not to lose' Judge
RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
map7711 : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
In comment 15372348 Go Terps said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.


Wrong
RE: RE: RE: RE: The WFT DL...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:07 am : link
In comment 15372248 jvm52106 said:
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Jones had time to throw and score points. We scored 29. We should have scored 40.

Please put the sauce down...



Grow up. You know a bullshit holding penalty and a fucking drop by Slayton were the resons there. Oh and KG dropped quite a few too.


Can you read? Try left to right.

Are you hitting the sauce, too, tonight?
Jones played a good gsme  
AcesUp : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
But he missed some throws, too many people bagging on Slayton for the drop but that wasn’t an easy catch. Jones put it out there a yard too far when he had about 15 yards of field to work with. I’m not taking anything away from him either, I think that kind of game is what he’s capable of when you take the shackles off him and play to his strengths a little. He can be better though.
Practice this week  
Joe Beckwith : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
gives me visions of TCs rant WE LOST THE GAME BECAUSE OF AN ILLEGAL PROCEDURE………
though in reality, like someone said, we had SO many opportunities on O for points,… plus the crazy D scheme….. and ST misplays.
RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
In comment 15372374 map7711 said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong


Great analysis!
RE: Enough crying over getting rid of Odell  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
In comment 15372324 Giants73 said:
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That’s where this crap about Gettleman comes from. Obj is overrated garbage, team sucked with him. Both of these loses is not on personal but on coaching.


Yeah I don't understand how you watch last week or this week and think its a personnel problem. It's not.
RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
Go Terps : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
In comment 15372374 map7711 said:
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In comment 15372348 Go Terps said:


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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong


Wrong about what?
RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
BleedBlue : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
In comment 15372374 map7711 said:
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In comment 15372348 Go Terps said:


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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong


theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit
Judge  
bluesince56 : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
We are mentally tough. We were better than the last game.
That worst part is  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
This is probably one of the better Jones and Oline performances we’ll see all year and blew it.
Judge just admitted he purosely ran barkley after that INT  
Giantfan21 : 9/17/2021 12:08 am : link
to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .

3-14 here we come
RE: Wastesd a phenomenal game from Gano  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15372365 FranknWeezer said:
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Also wtf was going on with Golladay screaming at the equipment guy cleaning his visor on the sideline???


I thought he was yelling at DJ
RE: RE: RE: Most overrated player in football?  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15372371 Zeke's Alibi said:
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How about Chase Young?



Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...



I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?


Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
There’s a lot of anger here tonight  
cosmicj : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
Too bad. Just don’t take it out on the people around you.

I’m just numb. It was a close game and went Washington’s way. Oh well.
Can’t wait for Gettleman  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
To make another top 5 pick!
oh and #51 was loafing on the field when he wasn't rushing  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
anyone else notice this
RE: RE: I know that many hate to hear this, but honestly  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15372351 Zeke's Alibi said:
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the very best thing that can happen to this team is 0-17. They are completely stuck spinning their wheels with Gettleman in charge and they need to have a season that leaves the owners with absolutely no choice. He has completely mismanaged the draft, destroyed the roster through ill-advised trades, and hired a coach that does not look like he's going to work out.

I love the Giants and always want them to win, but if we need to tank to turn this thing around with two top ten picks next spring being made by a new GM, then so be it.



I literally do not understand how you watch that game and thin DG is the problem. He can't coach the fucking players too. Plenty of talent on that field and we had a much better QB tonight and we still managed to lose. Why? Because the coaching on the defensive side of the ball and the HC is baby shit soft.

The players have all been changed. The coaches have all been changed. There's only a few constants, and they're primarily in the front office.

The Giants have never been above .500 during Gettleman's GM tenure. Never. 50 games. None of them began or ended with the Giants having a winning record.

At some point, that's the GM's fault.
RE: RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15372390 BleedBlue said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong



theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit


Great is a stretch. Good, yes.
Sweat aint all that great either.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:09 am : link
There front is overrated now withougt Kerrigan.
RE: RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
map7711 : 9/17/2021 12:10 am : link
In comment 15372387 Go Terps said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong



Wrong about what?


Score 29 on the road - against the 4th ranked Defense last year you should win the game. Against a back up no less. Period.

Plus I LOVE the Jones diss on one throw.

Please stop.
RE: The loss of Dalvin and BJ  
Toth029 : 9/17/2021 12:10 am : link
In comment 15372330 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Hill is quite obvious! They brought in has beens and never will be’s to replace them!


Tomlinson and his Viking front got shredded by the Bengals and their run game. Over 150 rush yards. Stop it.

I feel like they do miss Hill though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
BleedBlue : 9/17/2021 12:10 am : link
In comment 15372412 ajr2456 said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong



theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit



Great is a stretch. Good, yes.


slayton catches the ball he is looking at 300 yds 2 TDs 100 rushing and a TD (2 TDs if there wasnt a bullshit hold on board). thats a pretty great performance agsint a good defense on the road.
I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:11 am : link
here and I think it stems from the simple fact they didn't like the pick or DG.
RE: Judge just admitted he purosely ran barkley after that INT  
AcidTest : 9/17/2021 12:11 am : link
In comment 15372397 Giantfan21 said:
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to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .

3-14 here we come


Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.
RE: Judge  
Anakim : 9/17/2021 12:11 am : link
In comment 15372395 bluesince56 said:
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We were better than the last game.


LOL, yeah that's saying a lot
RE: RE: RE: RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 12:11 am : link
In comment 15372412 ajr2456 said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.



Wrong



theres terps throwing in a shot at jones LOL. he played great against a good defense on the road. stop with your bullshit agenda. the hold on board was a joke. slayton was a drop. jones had NO PART IN THIS LOSS. to say he did is just pure bullshit



Great is a stretch. Good, yes.


He played really well, was our best player on the field tonight.
I do not want to read anything about moral victories  
Matt M. : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
or at least Jones played well or anything else. This is yet another loss of a game that should have been won. Another sloppy game. Another 0-2 start. And on and on. Fuck this team.
RE: I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is  
BleedBlue : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
In comment 15372430 Zeke's Alibi said:
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here and I think it stems from the simple fact they didn't like the pick or DG.


facts
RE: RE: Judge just admitted he purosely ran barkley after that INT  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
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to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .

3-14 here we come



Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.


Bingo.

Coaching staff lost this game, particularly the defensive game plan and coaching at the end.

If you aren't going to do the right things in the really close games, you're not going to win in the NFL.
RE: Sweat aint all that great either.  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
In comment 15372414 Zeke's Alibi said:
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There front is overrated now withougt Kerrigan.


Slater dominated. Accept it. First game in the NFL and neither Young or Sweat sniffed Herbert.

Let me repeat that - first game in the NFL.
This is what perennial losing teams do  
M.S. : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link

They lose.

And sometimes in the most embarrassing way possible,

We see you Dexter Lawrence!
Hill  
AcidTest : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
was gone after this year, which the most we'd get is a comp pick for him in 2023. They got what they could.
Judge sounds like  
bluesince56 : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
the last HC. I have to look at the tape.
RE: I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2021 12:12 am : link
In comment 15372430 Zeke's Alibi said:
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here and I think it stems from the simple fact they didn't like the pick or DG.

It might also be that he hasn't played that well. That DG picked a middling QB is on DG, not vice versa.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Most overrated player in football?  
Brown_Hornet : 9/17/2021 12:13 am : link
In comment 15372403 bw in dc said:
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How about Chase Young?



Beat me to it. Great talent, but looks like a one trick pony...



I agree with this and state it last week. They need a 3rd guy coming off the bench because Young gets gassed very easily.
Weren't you just claiming that Rashawn Slater was HOF bound last week because he stonewalled him?



Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.
JFC, try and enjoy the team that you pretend to root for.
RE: RE: I don't think I'll ever see a player nitpicked as much as DJ is  
map7711 : 9/17/2021 12:13 am : link
In comment 15372445 BleedBlue said:
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here and I think it stems from the simple fact they didn't like the pick or DG.



facts


Major Facts
RE: The offense played a major role in the loss  
Debaser : 9/17/2021 12:13 am : link
In comment 15372348 Go Terps said:
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It's not just the defense.

- Board holding call on the Jones TD
- Slayton drop
- 3 and out at (I think) 23-20 - the possession where Slayton caught the ball out of bounds - Jones is late and slow driving the ball outside the numbers
- Awful possession after the pick - I don't know what they were thinking with those first two plays

That is a mediocre Washington team with a backup quarterback we struggled to just lose to. This is a bad Giants team that isn't going to win many games this year.


I don’t know why everyone is trying to discredit heineke; the dude never really got many chances but I’ve seen him in two games now and he played well including a great wild card game against the bucs.

He just does not look like an nfl qb as he is undersized but how can you argue those throws the bone headed int aside but shit that is his 3rd start.
RE: RE: Judge just admitted he purosely ran barkley after that INT  
Giantfan21 : 9/17/2021 12:14 am : link
In comment 15372431 AcidTest said:
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to get WAS to burn Timeouts . What a fucking idiot. All they need is a FG to come down the field and win. Who cares if they have 1 timeout or 3 timeouts. His whole mentality is wrong .

3-14 here we come



Winners play aggressively. Losers play conservatively. You only play conservatively in that situation if a FG puts up by four, or at least three.


IF they were up 1 and a FG would put them up 4 and force Was to come down and score a TD it would make more sense to make them waste TO.

But to give them a chance to win with just a FG with more then 2 minutes left and a TO is just stupid as shit and shows Judge doesnt get it at all
It's pretty clear to me re: Graham  
GiantSteps : 9/17/2021 12:14 am : link
All of his defensive genius got flushed out with the fat that he lost over the offseason
I knew  
Toth029 : 9/17/2021 12:14 am : link
The usual crowd would be nitpicking and expecting Jones to be 100% flawless otherwise he's also at fault. It's rich.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Most overrated player in football?  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:15 am : link
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Slater was stoning Young AND Sweat.

JFC, try and enjoy the team that you pretend to root for.


I didn't bring up Slater. Zeke did. Try to keep up. Thanks.
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