Garrett's gonna get shit because of that last sequence, rightfully so, but until that point I thought it was his strongest game. He did everything that people were calling for - a lot of zone read with Jones attacking the edges, a little RPO, he attacked the sticks on first down and second down, he took some shots in uncomfortable spots. This was a great start in that respect, it felt like Jones and the offense actually had a chance for a change. Him and the rest of the coaches have to stop turtling in critical situations though.
we scored a whole 2 td’s and kicked 5 FG- 2 from beyond 50. Offense looked better but isn’t there yet.
is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
The game was lost on the decision to try and not score with 2 minutes left. Nothing else needs to be said.
Yup! Nothing else needs to be said. How many other NFL coaches would have settled for a FG with 2 minutes and a timeout left for your opponent to win the game. That screams "lack of confidence in his offense'!
I hope he gets roasted this week and I wish Gary Myers was still covering the team to do it. I am going to give a pass to Graham because I think Judge is having his defense play this way.
This will not be a easy game to recover from. The message of playing not to lose will resonate with players.
That said there were some very encouraging things on offense.
That last Giants drive though. Unbelievable. That was a ideal time on first down to show run, play action and put the game away.
always seem to lose. Teams who play to win, tend to be successful! Winning builds confidence. Playing not to lose is playing scared and inevitably results in mistakes!!
Given the same situation as last night. Intercepting late in the game near your opponents red zone, would Belichick have tried to play conservatively given that his defense couldn't stop anyone or anything that particular evening?????
is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
Eric J
It is not the number of penalties as much as when they occur............ seemingly at the most critical times. We lost the game because of several offensive line mistakes and because of a holding (however questionable) and an off-side on a FG. Those are the crucial disciplinary aspects that need to be corrected, (if possible) and lose games.
Some teams are penalized a multitude of times. But they can recover from their penalties. Apparently, the Giants cannot!
Regarding fumbles The game against Denver was lost for many reasons. But Jones's fumble was the catalyst! Let's see how turnover prone the Giants are this year before you "annoint" them as better disciplined than previously!
picked the Eagles to carpet the floor of the division. However, if the Giants "D" continues to provide 10 yard cushions to opposing WRs, no doubt who is going to be dancing with "Basement Bertha" by year's end.
And if we do finish last in the division, I know Gettleman is probably gone. But what about Judge's status?
I think many of us are questioning whether the players are buying into his system. I.e., losing affects everything!!!
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It is ridiculous just how SOFT they play in the secondary
in their zone scheme, don't agree with that philosophy.
Simply too big of a cushion for opposing receivers.
Have to play better all game and make the critical stops. They weren't playing KC or Tampa last night.
Think they're missing Tomlinson. Perhaps not a top tier player, but certainly a key ingredient re: last year's success.
Ojulari getting sacks - where's his help from the other outside LBs?
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That kid Ojulari, needs to get more snaps. The closest the
'X' Man got to the QB, was when they were exchanging jerseys after the game. Protocols, what protocols?
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
RE: RE: How many wins does judge get to keep his job
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
probably, right.. unless the idiotic behavior continues and there is a complete meltdown. But I expect Judge to reign in his childish yelling and straighten things out a bit.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
Yup! Nothing else needs to be said. How many other NFL coaches would have settled for a FG with 2 minutes and a timeout left for your opponent to win the game. That screams "lack of confidence in his offense'!
This will not be a easy game to recover from. The message of playing not to lose will resonate with players.
That said there were some very encouraging things on offense.
That last Giants drive though. Unbelievable. That was a ideal time on first down to show run, play action and put the game away.
Think they're missing Tomlinson. Perhaps not a top tier player, but certainly a key ingredient re: last year's success.
Ojulari getting sacks - where's his help from the other outside LBs?
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
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is discipline. Yet this Giants' team (in Judge's 2nd year of coaching) looks like the most underdisciplined team in the NFL.
Exaggerate much? We are not close to being the most penalized and we had zero turnovers yesterday (and 1 TO in the first game). The biggest penalty of the night cost us the game yesterday. Then add in all of the times BBI unanimously thought some of the penalties were bullshit...how many penalties are we left with as compared to the rest of the league?
To say "most underdisciplined team in the NFL" is just ridiculous. This is why coaches and players think fans are stupid.
Eric J
It is not the number of penalties as much as when they occur............ seemingly at the most critical times. We lost the game because of several offensive line mistakes and because of a holding (however questionable) and an off-side on a FG. Those are the crucial disciplinary aspects that need to be corrected, (if possible) and lose games.
Some teams are penalized a multitude of times. But they can recover from their penalties. Apparently, the Giants cannot!
Regarding fumbles The game against Denver was lost for many reasons. But Jones's fumble was the catalyst! Let's see how turnover prone the Giants are this year before you "annoint" them as better disciplined than previously!
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
They need a total house cleaning. Top to bottom.
hire a coach outside bellichek tree, they never work out. i dont think flores will either. Hire an offensive coach.
And if we do finish last in the division, I know Gettleman is probably gone. But what about Judge's status?
I think many of us are questioning whether the players are buying into his system. I.e., losing affects everything!!!
It is ridiculous just how SOFT they play in the secondary
in their zone scheme, don't agree with that philosophy.
Simply too big of a cushion for opposing receivers.
Think they're missing Tomlinson. Perhaps not a top tier player, but certainly a key ingredient re: last year's success.
Ojulari getting sacks - where's his help from the other outside LBs?
That kid Ojulari, needs to get more snaps. The closest the
'X' Man got to the QB, was when they were exchanging jerseys after the game. Protocols, what protocols?
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
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IMO its 7-8.
Any less i want him gone. hes a fossil of a coach.
I don't know why anyone bothers to bring this up. Judge isn't going anywhere until at least after 2022. Mara is still paying Shurmur for another year after this one. And this is not to accuse him of being cheap, because that's not my intent, but I just don't see him paying three head coaches simultaneously.
probably, right.. unless the idiotic behavior continues and there is a complete meltdown. But I expect Judge to reign in his childish yelling and straighten things out a bit.