I know this is a shitty day to be doing that thing on BBI where everyone makes threads that really are just basically posts, and I usually don't do this, but I just got home and I've got nobody to vent to and I gotta get let this one loose, so fuck it.
Barkley is the single most overrated player in the NFL.
It's such a dogshit feeling when all of the things that many of us complained about in the week leading up to this game -- Jones turnovers, Jones playing tight, not using his running ability, the offensive line not playing well (which they did despite losing their best player), not throwing the ball down the field (at least in the fourth quarter) -- these things all happened, at least at some point.
Yet the fucking Giants still lost the game cause mr Gold fucking Jacket, touched by the hand of god, who clearly isn't "still hurt" since he broke off a big run earlier, could not do a god damn thing running the ball when all he had to do was get a couple small chunks of yard to at least make it a manageable third down (and, you know, fucking ideally earn that #2 draft spot and win the fucking game by picking up yards on the ground when you need them).
This is the fucking guy you take at #2? I'd rather have seen Devontae Booker out there running the ball into the back of the Olineman at that point.
At the end of the day, you have "the best RB in the league" (lol joke) and this team can't win the game by salting the clock off with the ball in FG range and under 2 and a half minutes.
Yes, they had three timeouts, but this is what I'd imagine you draft a fucking running back #2 overall to do.
What a waste of a great effort by Jones. I've been so down on Jones and don't think he's the guy, but if he plays like this consistently, I'm definitely gonna come around, and it's really shitty for him that his "best offensive player" came through like that.
Barkley is the most overrated fucking player in the league, I genuinely don't think he is a top 10 rb to have on the team, especially when you consider his salary and injuries.
mccaffrey, kamara, zeke, cook, henry, chubb, hunt, fuck even jacobs and gibson (and, I'm sure, eventually najee harris and entienne) -- i'd rather have any of them on this team over barkley. Especially considering what he's getting paid. He might be the most athletically talented one out of all these guy except for McCaffrey, but it doesn't matter, because he's not a better RB than them.
Fuck the excuses, idc if the offensive line is trash or he had no holes -- if you're allegedly that good, you make that shit happen and win the fucking game there.
OL doesnt open gaping holes either lol
barkley will be fine
Name a player more overrated than Barkley, I'll wait.
This isn't something I just came up with, it's been the truth for a long time.
His "amazing" rookie year doesn't hold a candle to the top of TIki's career, he's not even the best RB in NYG history, let alone the league.
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did not post when emotions had the best of you.
Name a player more overrated than Barkley, I'll wait.
This isn't something I just came up with, it's been the truth for a long time.
His "amazing" rookie year doesn't hold a candle to the top of TIki's career, he's not even the best RB in NYG history, let alone the league.
You certainly seem like a reasonable person to have a conversation with, but I'll pass.
I wanted them to take Barkley at #2 and a I can admit now that was a huge mistake.
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did not post when emotions had the best of you.
Name a player more overrated than Barkley, I'll wait.
This isn't something I just came up with, it's been the truth for a long time.
His "amazing" rookie year doesn't hold a candle to the top of TIki's career, he's not even the best RB in NYG history, let alone the league.
You certainly seem like a reasonable person to have a conversation with, but I'll pass.
Come back when you have something of substance, or when you have higher expectations of an RB who was drafted #2 overall.
Reggie Bush v2, that's all Barkley is.
Barkley ran like this at Penn State, this is nothing new. He cannot consistently move the chains. He's a complimentary piece, he is not a bellcow, yet the Giants treat him like one.
We are New York Giants fans, New York Giants football is running the ball and winning the game at that spot.
Barkley is overrated as fuck and was an awful pick.
Giants don't have quality OC & DC, and maybe even HC.
Just a dumb thread.
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did not post when emotions had the best of you.
Name a player more overrated than Barkley, I'll wait.
This isn't something I just came up with, it's been the truth for a long time.
His "amazing" rookie year doesn't hold a candle to the top of TIki's career, he's not even the best RB in NYG history, let alone the league.
You certainly seem like a reasonable person to have a conversation with, but I'll pass.
Cool, thanks for the empty platitudes.
Come back when you have something of substance, or when you have higher expectations of an RB who was drafted #2 overall.
Reggie Bush v2, that's all Barkley is.
LMAO guy who has been on BBI for a few months says what?
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did not post when emotions had the best of you.
Name a player more overrated than Barkley, I'll wait.
This isn't something I just came up with, it's been the truth for a long time.
His "amazing" rookie year doesn't hold a candle to the top of TIki's career, he's not even the best RB in NYG history, let alone the league.
You certainly seem like a reasonable person to have a conversation with, but I'll pass.
Cool, thanks for the empty platitudes.
Come back when you have something of substance, or when you have higher expectations of an RB who was drafted #2 overall.
Reggie Bush v2, that's all Barkley is.
LMAO guy who has been on BBI for a few months says what?
But, game on the line, in a big spot and in a big game you give Saquon the ball twice and he does nothing. I said this in the game thread when it happened, I think his little hesitation on the last play he touched the ball left some yards on the field. If that were Cook or Zeke or peak Gurely or AK or AP or any other legit RB1, heck if that were Wayne Galman, can you really say they wouldn't have been better than Barks?
Like, if Barkley can't close out a game on the road, in the redzone with 2:16 on the clock, what's he good for?
Giants don't have quality OC & DC, and maybe even HC.
My point isn't about blaming Barkley and saying he's the sole reason he lost.
My point is that you take a guy #2 overall, as a running back, to WIN THE FUCKING GAME there, and that he's overrated as fuck.
There are 8-10 RBs in the NFL who are better than Barkley.
If you draft a running back at #2 overall, the only way to get a commensurate ROI is a hall of fame career.
Well, this guy sure as shit isn't it, because that spot in the game is where a running back who's #2 overall caliber is supposed to win you the fucking game.
It's not about Barkley losing the game, it's about the fact that he can't win it in that spot, never could win in it that spot, and never will be the type of RB who can win it in that spot.
yet people on BBI (and fantasy football players, lol) think this guy is a top RB. He's not.
But, game on the line, in a big spot and in a big game you give Saquon the ball twice and he does nothing. I said this in the game thread when it happened, I think his little hesitation on the last play he touched the ball left some yards on the field. If that were Cook or Zeke or peak Gurely or AK or AP or any other legit RB1, heck if that were Wayne Galman, can you really say they wouldn't have been better than Barks?
Like, if Barkley can't close out a game on the road, in the redzone with 2:16 on the clock, what's he good for?
Thank you, this is exactly what I'm trying to say. I appreciate you conveying it in a much more articulate and level headed way
Bruh, we wish Barkley was as good as Big Daddy. Fielder carried the Tigers in ways we'll probably never see from Barkley.
Even tonight, after a 4-day rest, we saw what he can do when he gets a sliver of daylight.
But he can’t run consistently between the tackles, he goes down too easy with contact, and he is extremely poor in pass protection
An amazing athlete but a guy whose limitations hurt as much as his greatness helps
Even tonight, after a 4-day rest, we saw what he can do when he gets a sliver of daylight.
Fuck the sliver of daylight -- he'd run with authority and win the game at that spot, if he's as good as you think he is. There isn't always daylight, but if you're drafted #2 overall as an RB, you win the game when there isn't any.
he's also not even the biggest HR thread at RB in the league, he is not the Tyreek Hill of RBs.
Just let him rant… he’ll get over it before we host the Atlanta Falcons next week… who knows, maybe he’ll get an edumacation by then…
For all the big talk of B vs. S about Saquon Barkley, my bet is B vs. S is all of 5’4 and 125 lbs… but he won big time chess matches back in middle school… tough guy B vs. S, da’ guy wid’ da’ edumacation, chessboard, keyboard and too many amber colored beverages…
But then why is he out there in game-deciding moments, when you absolutely need one or two first downs to close the game and you decided to run the ball.
I don't get it. These are regular-season games now. This was a division game. Any hope of this season being a success depends on winning THIS situation.
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Every player on the field had 4 days of rest. He looked plenty fast when he broke off that 46 yard run. I never said he wasn't athletic and I never said he wasn't capable of the big play -- he is -- but he is an overrated running back and cannot do some of the main job of a RB, namely move the chains consistently, pick up positive yards consistently, and kill the clock when the team needs you to do so in order to win
For all the big talk of B vs. S about Saquon Barkley, my bet is B vs. S is all of 5’4 and 125 lbs… but he won big time chess matches back in middle school… tough guy B vs. S, da’ guy wid’ da’ edumacation, chessboard, keyboard and too many amber colored beverages…
Agree. Look at the best RBs in the league. They dish out punishment as much as they take it. They thrive on contact and get better as the game goes on.
SB is a gadget player who dislikes contact. He's a terrible fit for this team. He'd likely be great on a good team like KC, but here there's no role for him. He can't pass block which makes him a liability on passing downs. He's an absolute disaster as the 2nd overall pick.
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We all agree DG shit the bed picking him number two. His game is exactly what Giants don't need. Before the draft all I asked about Barkley was if he will get the ball on 4th and 1 with game on line. Everyone answered yes. They were wrong. He is a RB that does not like contact. After his long run yesterday he jogged out of bounds rather than make them tackle him and gain more yards. After the Slayton miss he had a big hole and fell down at second level. Then, of course, he had his traditional TFL's during the game. This is who he is. Can't run inside, won't block, not really a threat in passing game. Talented but EXTREMELY limited player.
Agree. Look at the best RBs in the league. They dish out punishment as much as they take it. They thrive on contact and get better as the game goes on.
SB is a gadget player who dislikes contact. He's a terrible fit for this team. He'd likely be great on a good team like KC, but here there's no role for him. He can't pass block which makes him a liability on passing downs. He's an absolute disaster as the 2nd overall pick.
I could see him being good on a few teams, maybe really good.
I wonder if he could function well in the outside zone running scheme. He certainly has the speed and agility for it, but needs the RB to hit the hole fast.
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We all agree DG shit the bed picking him number two. His game is exactly what Giants don't need. Before the draft all I asked about Barkley was if he will get the ball on 4th and 1 with game on line. Everyone answered yes. They were wrong. He is a RB that does not like contact. After his long run yesterday he jogged out of bounds rather than make them tackle him and gain more yards. After the Slayton miss he had a big hole and fell down at second level. Then, of course, he had his traditional TFL's during the game. This is who he is. Can't run inside, won't block, not really a threat in passing game. Talented but EXTREMELY limited player.
Agree. Look at the best RBs in the league. They dish out punishment as much as they take it. They thrive on contact and get better as the game goes on.
SB is a gadget player who dislikes contact. He's a terrible fit for this team. He'd likely be great on a good team like KC, but here there's no role for him. He can't pass block which makes him a liability on passing downs. He's an absolute disaster as the 2nd overall pick.
I could see him being good on a few teams, maybe really good.
I wonder if he could function well in the outside zone running scheme. He certainly has the speed and agility for it, but needs the RB to hit the hole fast.
They spent on a legitimate number one WR, drafted a WR in the first round, have a quality slot WR, and have a fine deep threat opposite (drops aside).
This offense should move through Jones, not the RB.
I’d be very pleased if it were Barkley, but the Giants need a guy who can regularly get 4 yards.