I’m hoping this could be a (relatively) civil discussion. I think outside of the Eagle game last year when Engram dropped the ball, this was his best game as a pro. Especially considering the defense he was facing.
You got to see a lot of what he can do well. Run, throw downfield, etc. The line gave him time and he was able to make plays. He should’ve had 2 rushing touchdowns. He also didn’t turn the ball over.
I’m still very much up in the air with him. I still probably lean no if he will be a franchise QB but seeing games like last night gives us a glimpse of what he can be. I know sometimes people want to compare him to the Dave Brown’s of the world but we never saw games like that from Brown or Kanell etc.
I know it’s only one game but did he convert anyone on here last night?
Again, I don't expect people to be convinced of anything yet (I'm not either for the record), but if you don't think he played really well last night than i'm not sure what game you watched.
UConn, it's times like these that any ignore feature would short circuit from an overload of use.
Agree 100% - Even how great the read option was - if Garrett had sprinkled a pass option after Jones kept it after a fake - it probably would have worked. Two straight runs by Barkley was just demoralizing.
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The Danny haters are so blind it isn’t even worth my time to converse with you guys. But, I still need to vent after that gut wrenching loss so here goes…
WOW. Hot take. Umm WFT was 4th in D last year.
Be smarter.
Danny had I believe 4 games in his rookie season under Shurmur in which he threw for >300 yards, 3 or 4 Tds (I forgot which), and no interceptions.
He is the only rookie to accomplish that feat. Do you not think he was pretty amazing those 4 games? So how could you ignore those 4 games?
>300 yards, 3/4 TD passes, no pics……sounds like Mahomes or Brady
Yes, he established that he can play well against garbage teams. Hooray.
WFT was 4th in D last year
Be smarter.
Last year isn’t this year. Their secondary has looked atrocious through two weeks
Please stop. You’re embarrassing. All we heard before the game was how good WFT D was. Now they suck because DJ had a good game.
We don’t make teams pay — 5 fg’s means 5 times we couldn’t score TD’s as well….. Especially after the Bradberry INT… Maybe it was Garrett but that finish was weak, and basically a summation of the tease that is Daniel Jones. “Close” and “almost”…
I’m more encouraged by the oline…
Enough with the moral victories. Fucking win the games.
Jones last night displayed the special talent he is. Your take would indicate you don’t have an objective bone in your body where he is concerned
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The Danny haters are so blind it isn’t even worth my time to converse with you guys. But, I still need to vent after that gut wrenching loss so here goes…
WOW. Hot take. Umm WFT was 4th in D last year.
Be smarter.
Danny had I believe 4 games in his rookie season under Shurmur in which he threw for >300 yards, 3 or 4 Tds (I forgot which), and no interceptions.
He is the only rookie to accomplish that feat. Do you not think he was pretty amazing those 4 games? So how could you ignore those 4 games?
>300 yards, 3/4 TD passes, no pics……sounds like Mahomes or Brady
Yes, he established that he can play well against garbage teams. Hooray.
WFT was 4th in D last year
Be smarter.
Last year isn’t this year. Their secondary has looked atrocious through two weeks
Please stop. You’re embarrassing. All we heard before the game was how good WFT D was. Now they suck because DJ had a good game.
Saying their defensive rating from last year is irrelevant because their secondary has been bad so far is embarrassing? Ok buddy, don’t forget to change out of your Daniel Jones pajamas before you go to school.
Running the RPO keeps defenses back on their heels a bit. It provides us with more options. IMO, that run play to Barkley after the Bradberry INT should have been a fake to him with an RPO roll out. That play continues to run the clock and it gets a guy who can run out in open space.
We are keeping him in a cage when we do not let him run. Imagine what Lamar Jackson's game would look like if they just forced him to stay in the pocket. Here we are comparing Jone's ability to run (Or really his speed) to that of Jackson, yet we are not taking advantage of it the way Baltimore is.
Danny had I believe 4 games in his rookie season under Shurmur in which he threw for >300 yards, 3 or 4 Tds (I forgot which), and no interceptions.
He is the only rookie to accomplish that feat. Do you not think he was pretty amazing those 4 games? So how could you ignore those 4 games?
>300 yards, 3/4 TD passes, no pics……sounds like Mahomes or Brady
Do you want to point to 4 games and let us point out 20 bad ones, or do you want to enjoy the fact that everyone seems to be acknowledging that Jones played well last night?
If he played like that consistently, we wouldn't be having these conversations. You know, like Brady and Mahomes do.
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When it matters most he can’t seem to get it done. I seriously question if he has a clutch bone in his body because it’s one thing to flash as a QB for even a vast majority of a game, but Eli and top QB’s flash as winners with GW drives and stepping on the other teams necks.
We don’t make teams pay — 5 fg’s means 5 times we couldn’t score TD’s as well….. Especially after the Bradberry INT… Maybe it was Garrett but that finish was weak, and basically a summation of the tease that is Daniel Jones. “Close” and “almost”…
I’m more encouraged by the oline…
Enough with the moral victories. Fucking win the games.
Jones last night displayed the special talent he is. Your take would indicate you don’t have an objective bone in your body where he is concerned
Special is a stretch. Jones was good but this wasn’t some cornerstone QB performance. Maybe the bar is just too low.
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The Danny haters are so blind it isn’t even worth my time to converse with you guys. But, I still need to vent after that gut wrenching loss so here goes…
WOW. Hot take. Umm WFT was 4th in D last year.
Be smarter.
Danny had I believe 4 games in his rookie season under Shurmur in which he threw for >300 yards, 3 or 4 Tds (I forgot which), and no interceptions.
He is the only rookie to accomplish that feat. Do you not think he was pretty amazing those 4 games? So how could you ignore those 4 games?
>300 yards, 3/4 TD passes, no pics……sounds like Mahomes or Brady
Yes, he established that he can play well against garbage teams. Hooray.
WFT was 4th in D last year
Be smarter.
Last year isn’t this year. Their secondary has looked atrocious through two weeks
Please stop. You’re embarrassing. All we heard before the game was how good WFT D was. Now they suck because DJ had a good game.
Saying their defensive rating from last year is irrelevant because their secondary has been bad so far is embarrassing? Ok buddy, don’t forget
to change out of your Daniel Jones pajamas before you go to school.
If you’re here to bust on the QB after last bites game, then that shows all we need to know about you. And what is this thing about busting Giant fans balls from other Giants fans for being a supporter of a Giant player? It’s really weird. Like I get an Eagle fan would say that, but another Giant fan? Weird to say the least.
I wish they went back to the rpo late in the game, and I wish he was more accurate throwing on the run. Seems like this is a weakness for him (ie, the Shepherd throw/catch on the sidelines).
I had all but given up hope in him, but last night was restorative.
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The Danny haters are so blind it isn’t even worth my time to converse with you guys. But, I still need to vent after that gut wrenching loss so here goes…
WOW. Hot take. Umm WFT was 4th in D last year.
Be smarter.
Danny had I believe 4 games in his rookie season under Shurmur in which he threw for >300 yards, 3 or 4 Tds (I forgot which), and no interceptions.
He is the only rookie to accomplish that feat. Do you not think he was pretty amazing those 4 games? So how could you ignore those 4 games?
>300 yards, 3/4 TD passes, no pics……sounds like Mahomes or Brady
Yes, he established that he can play well against garbage teams. Hooray.
WFT was 4th in D last year
Be smarter.
Last year isn’t this year. Their secondary has looked atrocious through two weeks
Please stop. You’re embarrassing. All we heard before the game was how good WFT D was. Now they suck because DJ had a good game.
Saying their defensive rating from last year is irrelevant because their secondary has been bad so far is embarrassing? Ok buddy, don’t forget
to change out of your Daniel Jones pajamas before you go to school.
If you’re here to bust on the QB after last bites game, then that shows all we need to know about you. And what is this thing about busting Giant fans balls from other Giants fans for being a supporter of a Giant player? It’s really weird. Like I get an Eagle fan would say that, but another Giant fan? Weird to say the least.
Can you not read the dozens of times I’ve said Jones played good last night? Simply pointing out Washington’s defensive ranking last year is irrelevant because they’ve been bad in the secondary two straight weeks is sending you into a tizzy.
What this Jones performance means depends on two things:
1) can he do it more often than not this season
2) how does Washington’s defense play the rest of the year
If the answers end up being “no” and “like last night” than this performance was an aberration
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When it matters most he can’t seem to get it done. I seriously question if he has a clutch bone in his body because it’s one thing to flash as a QB for even a vast majority of a game, but Eli and top QB’s flash as winners with GW drives and stepping on the other teams necks.
We don’t make teams pay — 5 fg’s means 5 times we couldn’t score TD’s as well….. Especially after the Bradberry INT… Maybe it was Garrett but that finish was weak, and basically a summation of the tease that is Daniel Jones. “Close” and “almost”…
I’m more encouraged by the oline…
Enough with the moral victories. Fucking win the games.
Jones last night displayed the special talent he is. Your take would indicate you don’t have an objective bone in your body where he is concerned
Special is a stretch. Jones was good but this wasn’t some cornerstone QB performance. Maybe the bar is just too low.
I was more referring to his athletic talent, but I think he played pretty dam well last night, that performance doesn’t seem like a low bar.
Take a look at the QBR's for the 2 QB's lastnight. That should show you the disparity in the level of play between the two QB's yesterday.
Take a look at the QBR's for the 2 QB's lastnight. That should show you the disparity in the level of play between the two QB's yesterday.
I’m not sure how many times I can’t say “he played well, let’s see it more often before we crown him” so I don’t know what you’re getting at. Why am I the one that has to be done, and the not the Jones defenders crowning him and taking a victory lap?
Pointing out the Washington defense hasn’t been as good as last year is triggering people.
No one is taking a victory lap, people are highlighting Jones' game. That shouldn't "trigger" you either.
He had a lot of time to throw last night. He will have to do it with less time. He won't always have 4 seconds. But this was a great game for him. He played with urgency and he put the team on his back. Sadly, we didn't get the win. That matters too. But if we look back on the season and THIS is the best game of the season for him, that won't be good enough.
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The Danny haters are so blind it isn’t even worth my time to converse with you guys. But, I still need to vent after that gut wrenching loss so here goes…
Danny had I believe 4 games in his rookie season under Shurmur in which he threw for >300 yards, 3 or 4 Tds (I forgot which), and no interceptions.
He is the only rookie to accomplish that feat. Do you not think he was pretty amazing those 4 games? So how could you ignore those 4 games?
>300 yards, 3/4 TD passes, no pics……sounds like Mahomes or Brady
Yes, he established that he can play well against garbage teams. Hooray.
Come on man. Going into this game people were talking about the Skins defense being some combo of 85 Bears and 00 Ravens. He played very well against a really good defense
I still question the coaching and play calling, like others, but you can’t diminish the game Jones played
If you’re here to bust on the QB after last bites game, then that shows all we need to know about you. And what is this thing about busting Giant fans balls from other Giants fans for being a supporter of a Giant player? It’s really weird. Like I get an Eagle fan would say that, but another Giant fan? Weird to say the least.
Can you not read the dozens of times I’ve said Jones played good last night? Simply pointing out Washington’s defensive ranking last year is irrelevant because they’ve been bad in the secondary two straight weeks is sending you into a tizzy.
What this Jones performance means depends on two things:
1) can he do it more often than not this season
2) how does Washington’s defense play the rest of the year
If the answers end up being “no” and “like last night” than this performance was an aberration
I this is the crux of the conversation. Great QBs play like Jones did last night ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
68.8% completions, 7.8 YPA - that's what good QBs are doing OVER THE FULL SEASON.
It's not one game here, one game there, it's consistent, with few exceptions.
No one is taking a victory lap, people are highlighting Jones' game. That shouldn't "trigger" you either.
What are you even talking about man? He had a good game, that should be the baseline not the “let’s keep him game”. I’m not sure how that is telling people they can’t be excited for what they saw. That’s the thing with the Jones supporters, you can’t even compliment him if you’ve been critical.
I this is the crux of the conversation. Great QBs play like Jones did last night ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
No..HERE is the crux. Who are these "great QBs" who play like that every night? We just saw both Rodgers and Allen have two shit games respectively last week. So, are you talking about comparing Jones to Brady now?
Can we just focus on comparing Jones to "Good" QBs please? The story around here is that Jones is one of the WORST QBs in the league.
Also, it was noted that our offensive line pass protected much better AND we ran some RPOs last night. Two things that were missing from prior games. Is it POSSIBLE that Jones' performance could at least PARTIALLY be tied to the OL and play calling? Anyone??
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I this is the crux of the conversation. Great QBs play like Jones did last night ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
No..HERE is the crux. Who are these "great QBs" who play like that every night? We just saw both Rodgers and Allen have two shit games respectively last week. So, are you talking about comparing Jones to Brady now?
Can we just focus on comparing Jones to "Good" QBs please? The story around here is that Jones is one of the WORST QBs in the league.
Also, it was noted that our offensive line pass protected much better AND we ran some RPOs last night. Two things that were missing from prior games. Is it POSSIBLE that Jones' performance could at least PARTIALLY be tied to the OL and play calling? Anyone??
What happenes more often - Rodgers plays like he did week 1 or his good games? That answers your question.
I’m not saying he’s our franchise QB but - there are so many other issues with this organization aside from him. I truly think people need to step back and see the bigger picture with Jones.
I mean - the ball was taken out of his hands last night after he carried the team on his back for 58 minutes.
I’m not saying he’s our franchise QB but - there are so many other issues with this organization aside from him. I truly think people need to step back and see the bigger picture with Jones.
I mean - the ball was taken out of his hands last night after he carried the team on his back for 58 minutes.
Don’t you think some of that has to do with how they do a lot of stalling once they get near the redzone the past couple of years? In a vacuum sure you keep being aggressive but when you take the past two years worth of games into account you can see why they went the way they did.
If Jones continues to play like he did last night you won’t see calls like that the rest of the season.
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I this is the crux of the conversation. Great QBs play like Jones did last night ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
No..HERE is the crux. Who are these "great QBs" who play like that every night? We just saw both Rodgers and Allen have two shit games respectively last week. So, are you talking about comparing Jones to Brady now?
Can we just focus on comparing Jones to "Good" QBs please? The story around here is that Jones is one of the WORST QBs in the league.
Can you even read? Every QB has bad games, those are THE EXCEPTIONS.
Is it so bad to say that Daniel Jones needs to play better more often? I'm sorry, but I'm going to insist on that before making any comparisons to Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or Josh Allen.
Jesus, you fucking people. I come in here complimenting Jones for playing well last night, and now I have to genuflect at the altar of the Church of Daniel Jones for having the audacity to expect him to do this more often.
Not disagreeing. They clearly don’t trust Jones fully yet, but like you said what are they waiting for? This team isn’t competing for the division in all likelihood so just go balls to the wall and see what you have in Jones.
I think problem is they think they can game manage their way into a division title or a wild card, because they expect the defense to get stops. That’s the only logical explanation I can think of.
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I this is the crux of the conversation. Great QBs play like Jones did last night ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
No..HERE is the crux. Who are these "great QBs" who play like that every night? We just saw both Rodgers and Allen have two shit games respectively last week. So, are you talking about comparing Jones to Brady now?
Can we just focus on comparing Jones to "Good" QBs please? The story around here is that Jones is one of the WORST QBs in the league.
Can you even read? Every QB has bad games, those are THE EXCEPTIONS.
Is it so bad to say that Daniel Jones needs to play better more often? I'm sorry, but I'm going to insist on that before making any comparisons to Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or Josh Allen.
Jesus, you fucking people. I come in here complimenting Jones for playing well last night, and now I have to genuflect at the altar of the Church of Daniel Jones for having the audacity to expect him to do this more often.
They're so emotional around here. Jones had his best game but he needs to do that or better almost every week. A lot of the folks who get angry at such assertions don't watch other teams. They don't know... YES.. peak Aaron Rodgers is better than Jones last night in almost all of his games. But Jones has something to build on.. if he can play like that, or better, for most of the remaining games, the Giants should impress and he will earn a 5th year.
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but the more you do the more its obvious what your goal is. You don't want people to be excited for Jones' play lastnight, i think that's pretty clear.
No one is taking a victory lap, people are highlighting Jones' game. That shouldn't "trigger" you either.
What are you even talking about man? He had a good game, that should be the baseline not the “let’s keep him game”. I’m not sure how that is telling people they can’t be excited for what they saw. That’s the thing with the Jones supporters, you can’t even compliment him if you’ve been critical.
I also said that i'm not convinced so that pot shot sure shouldn't be for me.
Jones needs more games like this.
When he doesn't have a good game, seems like the rest of the team plays decently well.
It's annoying, and a sign of a bad team.
You must not being reading the threads. I haven’t argued about Jones’ performance at all. I’ve only posted that we need to see this more often. The only argument was over whether Washington’s defensive ranking last year is at all relevant.
We don’t make teams pay — 5 fg’s means 5 times we couldn’t score TD’s as well….. Especially after the Bradberry INT… Maybe it was Garrett but that finish was weak, and basically a summation of the tease that is Daniel Jones. “Close” and “almost”…
I’m more encouraged by the oline…
Enough with the moral victories. Fucking win the games.
You can't be fucking serious! What was he supposed to do on that last drive? Judge fucked him by playing pansy football. The "situational awareness" means nothing to me. It is being aware of your team, your teams momentum and your teams mentality! You CANNOT expect Jones to be able to covert a 3rd and long (long inside the 20 as the field shrinks) when you made it obvious you basically were giving up downs 1 and 2. He was pressured and threw quickly ( a little behind but, it would have been short anyway).. They never gave him the chance to win the game there, they made it almost impossible for him to succeed.
Jones was the reason we were in the game to begin with.
Maybe Pitt or Baltimore or NE would be tougher than Washington's D but then again Baltimore just gave up 33 points and 430 yards passing to Derek Carr and 1 reliable target (who got 19 targets in 1 game).
at this point I don't know what's left to even discuss about Jones. Yes he's not perfect and like all young players he has things to clean up. But on the road against a strong pass rush and with no running game and no defense he put his team on his shoulders and put them ahead in the 4th Q, as he's actually done a bunch of times in his short career considering how few games the team has won over that period of time. He created what should have been 4 TDs last night, 3 of them from long distance with either great throws or great runs. And he protected the ball. he showed that Y/A are just a function of playcalling. the biggest positive from last night will hopefully be the coaches eyes opening to letting him play that way the rest of the year.
No one is taking a victory lap, people are highlighting Jones' game. That shouldn't "trigger" you either.
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Let’s see him do it then. A third of his career tds still happened in three 2019 games.
Maybe Pitt or Baltimore or NE would be tougher than Washington's D but then again Baltimore just gave up 33 points and 430 yards passing to Derek Carr and 1 reliable target (who got 19 targets in 1 game).
at this point I don't know what's left to even discuss about Jones. Yes he's not perfect and like all young players he has things to clean up. But on the road against a strong pass rush and with no running game and no defense he put his team on his shoulders and put them ahead in the 4th Q, as he's actually done a bunch of times in his short career considering how few games the team has won over that period of time. He created what should have been 4 TDs last night, 3 of them from long distance with either great throws or great runs. And he protected the ball. he showed that Y/A are just a function of playcalling. the biggest positive from last night will hopefully be the coaches eyes opening to letting him play that way the rest of the year.
Now do it again. And again. And again. And then maybe we have a franchise QB.
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the entire league. you don't think he could do what he did yesterday against the KC defense? or GB? or Arizona? or Seattle? or the 49ers who just almost blew a game to Detroit? or Dallas? or Philly?
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Let’s see him do it then. A third of his career tds still happened in three 2019 games.
Last night was the first time the new coaching staff let him play that way and capitalize on what he does best (throwing downfield with RPO mixed in). I think we will see it more if they allow it to continue.
and even last night however, the 2 last drives they reverted from what had worked all game. Back to back passes to galloday and slayton were curls. bland runs up the middle against a strong front instead of using RPO. at the time it was obvious to everyone including announces that they should have been aggressive for the first down after the bradberry int. instead 2 up the middle runs and a tough pass in traffic.
last night was a brutal loss but there is something positive to be learned if they continue to run the offense the way they did last night for the majority of the game, pass first approach with tempo and with options downfield, they are going to continue to move the ball on offense. the shift in philosophy is literally exactly what happened with Dak's career post garrett.