What to do with Daniel Jones

1. Play a lot more games like last night.
2. The crop coming out this year doesnt look to be anything special.

I tend to agree with you.

And, if nothing else, Daniel Jones is NOT our biggest concern.

Not by a long shot!

DJ is a candidate for offensive player of the week. He played well. The guys in blue on the other side of the ball, not so much.

What’s concerning that let’s say he is good, the rest of the team still is not. So they’ll be paying big QB money without a good roster around him.

What a clusterfuck

Slayton makes that catch and that phantom holding call didn’t happen, we’re all having a different conversation today. This was the type of performance I’ve been waiting and hoping for.

Last night really hurts, but at the end of these first 4 games I’ll think we’ll have a really good idea of where we stand with Jones. Two winnable games coming up and playing 3 of the top 5-10 defenses in our first 4 games.

In comment 15373128 Mellowmood92 said:

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Slayton makes that catch and that phantom holding call didn’t happen, we’re all having a different conversation today. This was the type of performance I’ve been waiting and hoping for. Last night really hurts, but at the end of these first 4 games I’ll think we’ll have a really good idea of where we stand with Jones. Two winnable games coming up and playing 3 of the top 5-10 defenses in our first 4 games.

The Saints are winnable?

The obvious answer is you wait and see how this year goes and act accordingly. If consistent and flashes talent you resign. Depends on our record and his play.

A decent outcome from this year would be the development of a starting qb and an left tackle

In comment 15373146 thomasa510 said:

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The obvious answer is you wait and see how this year goes and act accordingly. If consistent and flashes talent you resign. Depends on our record and his play. A decent outcome from this year would be the development of a starting qb and an left tackle

Flashes aren’t enough. They need to pick up his 5th year option, flashes doesn’t get you two more years. They need consistent play like last night and a couple games where he’s better than last night

a season that will determine his Giants fate. Its too soon to answer this question.

Wait, it's all that can be done. Grade him after the season and hope the answer is clear one way or another. I am not sold on Jones yet; actually, I have more doubt than hope. However, for quarterbacks especially, the light can just come on without notice.

regardless of how "good" the washington team's defense is, Jones got hit a lot last night, he threw the ball with pressure in his face very well.

continue to have him be a run threat- and see how the season goes on offense- i would expect it to go well when they use him properly.
there are a lot of QBs that look like you can win with when they are used properly.

different in you post but, I have to agree with 90% of what you said.

Bottom line - it is not Jones' fault (imo).

he played a masterful game last night. If he plays like that on a consistent basis, he is a keeper. He was a top 10 QB last night easy.

Which would be great for the draft. Just load up on OL and edge early on

But the hyperbole is a bit much. With the game on the line, he didn't get it done on their last two possessions. And yes, the Slayton drop was killer, but that was earlier in the fourth. He had two more cracks at winning and they had to settle for 3 points.

he started to show signs of playing above the X's and O's, and it revolved around being decisive, anticipating open receivers, and running the football when he saw openings.

My take: need to take the wheels off and just let this guy fucking play. He’s a gamer and he can sling it as shown from last night. That’s the Jones that can be our QB every single week. Don’t take the ball out of his hands. Let him just play out there.

In comment 15373249 Greg from LI said:

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But the hyperbole is a bit much. With the game on the line, he didn't get it done on their last two possessions. And yes, the Slayton drop was killer, but that was earlier in the fourth. He had two more cracks at winning and they had to settle for 3 points.

Well - to be fair - they took the ball out of his hands on our very last possession. Running twice and then giving him a 3rd and 9? That’s not exactly QB friendly.

In comment 15373257 ryanmkeane said:

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My take: need to take the wheels off and just let this guy fucking play. He’s a gamer and he can sling it as shown from last night. That’s the Jones that can be our QB every single week. Don’t take the ball out of his hands. Let him just play out there.

If it was that simple they would do it. They’re clearly not confident in it happening week in and week out yet.

Golladay/Jones sideline thing - I’m glad that happened. This team had to fucking wake up and play with some fire and get into it with each other from time to time. Enough with this “we’re gonna fix it” bullshit. Wake the fuck up and win a fucking game.

But if you're going to wax rhapsodic over how incredible he was, then you're setting the bar high.

Well - what else do they need to see after last night? What else do we have to lose? We are a national laughingstock right now.

In comment 15373279 Greg from LI said:

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But if you're going to wax rhapsodic over how incredible he was, then you're setting the bar high.

Definitely not saying he was incredible but he was really good last night and we still lost. It just fucking sucks.

He plays well enough to allow us to spend next year’s 1’s on ol and pass rush, we will be in decent shape

maybe twice in a row. On 2nd down I would have RPO'd to pass. Really threaten WAS on the edge. Alas, we saw Barkley get nothing.

RPO with him. He's pretty darn fast and knows how to avoid big hits. It was successful every time they ran it last night.

In comment 15373283 ryanmkeane said:

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Well - what else do they need to see after last night? What else do we have to lose? We are a national laughingstock right now.

That the next time they let him loose he doesn’t turn into a turnover machine. That the next time they let him loose he’s as accurate as he was at times last night.

if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping.

In comment 15373313 crick n NC said:

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if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping.

Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.

I didn't go to bed as pissed off as most of BBI likely did last night.

Sure it sucks to lose like that. The bogus holding call on Board, the Slayton TD drop, settling for 3 late in the 4th Q and of course Lawrence being offsides. Any one of those plays goes the Giants way and they likely win.

But taking the long-term view, finding a young, franchise QB is the highest priority for an NFL team. It's far more important than the outcome of a single game, because in today's NFL, if you don't have a top QB, your team will never win a championship.

If Jones can play like that on a consistent basis, then the Giants will have found their franchise QB and someone who can be a top 10 QB for the next decade.

Before last night I was very pessimistic that Jones could be THE guy. Now I thiink that he can actually play at a high level.

Use all those high draft picks to build the team around him and better days will be in our future.

In comment 15373323 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15373313 crick n NC said: Quote: if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping. Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.

This.

But he has to play even better going forward, especially throwing the ball with better timing and accuracy. If he continues to get better and continue to put the team on his back and play with urgency and intelligence, then maybe he is the answer. The jury is still out. let's see him do it in 14 of the next 15 games. This roster is good enough to win a bunch of games with.

To me it was clear as day.

And start playing like that consistently, without coughing the ball up, then we may have something. Time will tell.

In comment 15373353 cosmicj said:

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To me it was clear as day.

I thought it was borderline but all the people yelling about it being a phantom call are being homers.

He needs to get the ball in the endzone, I would say, he is a GREAT QB between the 20s, he's the worst QB in the NFL the closer he gets to the endzone.

He's like a golfer who can pipe it down the middle 325 and then cant make a 3 foot putt to save his life.

He's just not a closer


If he doesnt start to put points on the board when he gets it down to the 20, he's never going to win

In comment 15373373 cjac said:

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He needs to get the ball in the endzone, I would say, he is a GREAT QB between the 20s, he's the worst QB in the NFL the closer he gets to the endzone. He's like a golfer who can pipe it down the middle 325 and then cant make a 3 foot putt to save his life. He's just not a closer If he doesnt start to put points on the board when he gets it down to the 20, he's never going to win

Very reminiscent of Kerry Collins. Early 2000s Collins would march them up and down the field between the 20s and then stall out.

and so was the defender, they should've called both or let it go.

red zone is definitely part of the growth this team needs, on both sides of the LoS.

In comment 15373380 JonC said:

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and so was the defender, they should've called both or let it go.

I thought the hold was clear too. I don't know what people were looking at.

In comment 15373344 Producer said:

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But he has to play even better going forward, especially throwing the ball with better timing and accuracy. If he continues to get better and continue to put the team on his back and play with urgency and intelligence, then maybe he is the answer. The jury is still out. let's see him do it in 14 of the next 15 games. This roster is good enough to win a bunch of games with.

Agreed. Last night was great but the argument against Jones has never been that he sucks every game, it's that his bad games outweigh and outnumber his good games. So far this season he's 1-1. Which DJ8 shows up weekly over the remaining 15 will determine his fate with NYG

which is exactly what we all should want from him.

So what we do is move onto the next game and hope we see it again.

In comment 15373323 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15373313 crick n NC said: Quote: if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping. Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.

Wouldn't the value of the contract matter? I do not think it is easy to find quarterbacks playing the game Jones played on average. I could be wrong.

In comment 15373249 Greg from LI said:

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But the hyperbole is a bit much. With the game on the line, he didn't get it done on their last two possessions. And yes, the Slayton drop was killer, but that was earlier in the fourth. He had two more cracks at winning and they had to settle for 3 points.

Agreed. You can't go by a performance in a single game. What if next week he starts fumbling again? He had a good game and I am pleased about that, but it's a question of seeing it on a regular basis, not every now and again.

Isn't good enough. Some of you have Stockholm syndrome. If he was good enough, he would have put the game away when he had the chance.

In comment 15373462 Thegratefulhead said:

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Isn't good enough. Some of you have Stockholm syndrome. If he was good enough, he would have put the game away when he had the chance.

I see it as Jones was the main reason the Giants even had a shot to win last night.

In comment 15373433 crick n NC said:

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In comment 15373323 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 15373313 crick n NC said: Quote: if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping. Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark. Wouldn't the value of the contract matter? I do not think it is easy to find quarterbacks playing the game Jones played on average. I could be wrong.

His fifth year option is going to be around $20-25 million or so if he doesn’t make a pro bowl. Good luck getting him on a long term deal for less than that.

In comment 15373323 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15373313 crick n NC said: Quote: if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping. Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.

I’d split the difference between you two. If performance like last night with some better and some worse, he can be a guy you build a team around

In comment 15373476 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15373433 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15373323 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 15373313 crick n NC said: Quote: if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping. Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark. Wouldn't the value of the contract matter? I do not think it is easy to find quarterbacks playing the game Jones played on average. I could be wrong. His fifth year option is going to be around $20-25 million or so if he doesn’t make a pro bowl. Good luck getting him on a long term deal for less than that.

Well, I would like to see what happens first.

In comment 15373462 Thegratefulhead said:

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Isn't good enough. Some of you have Stockholm syndrome. If he was good enough, he would have put the game away when he had the chance.

He had to catch and call the plays, too?