This guy is a good QB. I am sorry he is. Is he elite no? Can he win gems by himself as some can? No. Does he have warts in terms of field processing? Yes. But he can run, he can deliver a football almost anywhere on the field and I am thinking (and again this is a long way away from this decision) he may be the future.
Are we sure if we have a bad year there will be a better NFL QB than him in the draft? I know after next year we have to make an extension (some do it after the third year), but I really think this is a guy like Phil Simms if you give him time and a team to work around, he will lead you to the promised land.
I put that more on Garret and Barkley
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if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping.
Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.
I’d split the difference between you two. If performance like last night with some better and some worse, he can be a guy you build a team around
I think that's fair.
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To me it was clear as day.
I thought it was borderline but all the people yelling about it being a phantom call are being homers.
LOL...watch the defender's reaction after the play. There was no reaction. If he was held, he didn't know it or didn't care...
Was a poor call.
Then give him the chance.
I could have handed Barkley the ball 2x.
He played much better last night but still needs to start putting more points on the board.
Could be they dont trust DJ or it could be they are trying to give our supposed superstar a chance to win the game.
He was good last night. Keep it up. The team aint going anywhere but if Jones can rattle off a good season it would help the cause. Then we can sign him to a long term deal and likely see him turn into a pumpkin.
That's what I saw too. There were a few passes where he looked off 1-2 other players. That's the stuff I want to see. The flash plays and the first read plays are nice, but QBs today need to be able to play off script and or hit the 2nd or 3rd read. We saw that last night.
He might be for real, but we need to see more.
It’s true, last night was a good game for Jones. But, as posted above, Jones didn’t covert in the redzone. And even though his runs last night were timely and exciting and important I don’t think that kind of running is going to hold up for Jones. He’s a threat to run in the RPO but he doesn’t really create big plays buying time with his legs to find ways to throw the ball down field.
Anyway, gotta wait and see what the rest of the season shows us. It’s still too soon to tell.
NO hate in me! I do hate the Giants though. I want them to move to a far away city and change their entire existence.
Whatever they were doing on that WFT TD right before halftime was an unmitigated disaster. i meant thats fucking coaching right there. What kind of defensive front was that? You just called timeout and you go out there and basically let them score.
Which RPOs are you talking about? the one where Price got called for lineman downfield?
Who is hating? Why is asking to see that more often hating?
Has anyone suggested he didnt have a big night or even played poorly?
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if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping.
Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.
Exactly.
This is not a guy a good team gives a second contract.
It’s true, last night was a good game for Jones. But, as posted above, Jones didn’t covert in the redzone. And even though his runs last night were timely and exciting and important I don’t think that kind of running is going to hold up for Jones. He’s a threat to run in the RPO but he doesn’t really create big plays buying time with his legs to find ways to throw the ball down field.
Anyway, gotta wait and see what the rest of the season shows us. It’s still too soon to tell.
QB Hell. Jones is good enough to lose
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if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping.
Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.
Exactly.
This is not a guy a good team gives a second contract.
If that's his baseline and he improves his short to intermediate game passing with better timing and accuracy and better rhythm. Maybe he could be a guy to give a modest contract to. I'm still not seeing an elite top-8 guy. But last night was good. Let's see what else he has.
The fiction on these threads is something
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he started to show signs of playing above the X's and O's, and it revolved around being decisive, anticipating open receivers, and running the football when he saw openings.
That's what I saw too. There were a few passes where he looked off 1-2 other players. That's the stuff I want to see. The flash plays and the first read plays are nice, but QBs today need to be able to play off script and or hit the 2nd or 3rd read. We saw that last night.
He might be for real, but we need to see more.
Yes and we are seeing more of us this because we are actually seeing play calling that makes it easier on the QB. Up until last night Garret was making it actively difficult on a QB that isn’t on an offense talented enough to afford it. Of course the last drive was exactly what we usually saw. Run, run (out of tight formations, why they insist on doing this with our OL and a back like Barkley) and then pass on 3rd down.
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After Jones has a good game. Sometimes people can't see their nose in front of their face
The fiction on these threads is something
If you say so)
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
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if Jones plays like last night or close to it he would be worth keeping.
Nah. If you're going to invest in a second contract, performances like last night need to become the baseline, not the high water mark.
Exactly.
This is not a guy a good team gives a second contract.
If that's his baseline and he improves his short to intermediate game passing with better timing and accuracy and better rhythm. Maybe he could be a guy to give a modest contract to. I'm still not seeing an elite top-8 guy. But last night was good. Let's see what else he has.
The thing is a modest QB contract is like $25-30 million now. This roster is so bad if they’re going to commit that to a non top 8 player at his position they better hit on some picks
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
I did not notice Heinike hurting the Giants defense nearly like Jones was against the Washington defense. Not that I am saying give Jones 30 mill a year yet, but I don't think that is a fair post.
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Heinike had as good a night as Jones did, including leading the game winning drive...
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
I did not notice Heinike hurting the Giants defense nearly like Jones was against the Washington defense. Not that I am saying give Jones 30 mill a year yet, but I don't think that is a fair post.
should say, hurting the giants defense with his legs like Jones was against the Washington defense.
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
a) if he continues playing like that someone would, yes
b) he didnt play as good as Jones did (INT almost gave away the game)
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if you saw the Giants trying to play defense the last 2 games. So far both QBs who played against us look like Super Bowl MVPs
Agreed about the contract talks, but I do not agree necessarily with not giving Jones credit for what he may accomplish against the falcons. Teams are trying to improve every week and some do. Let us see how the falcons play defense first before we say they will be just as bad as they were against the eagles.
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Heinike had as good a night as Jones did, including leading the game winning drive...
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if you saw the Giants trying to play defense the last 2 games. So far both QBs who played against us look like Super Bowl MVPs
Can’t the same be said for Washington’s defense? You can’t discredit Heinike for our defense playing bad but then not do the same for Jones. At least be fair.
So until I can considerably similar efforts against the league, DJ's performance is to be viewed cautiously.
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Heinike had as good a night as Jones did, including leading the game winning drive...
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if you saw the Giants trying to play defense the last 2 games. So far both QBs who played against us look like Super Bowl MVPs
Can’t the same be said for Washington’s defense? You can’t discredit Heinike for our defense playing bad but then not do the same for Jones. At least be fair.
Actually, now that you mention it, Jones looked far superior to golden boy Herbert who played the WFT last week. Fair?
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Heinike had as good a night as Jones did, including leading the game winning drive...
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if you saw the Giants trying to play defense the last 2 games. So far both QBs who played against us look like Super Bowl MVPs
Can’t the same be said for Washington’s defense? You can’t discredit Heinike for our defense playing bad but then not do the same for Jones. At least be fair.
Actually, now that you mention it, Jones looked far superior to golden boy Herbert who played the WFT last week. Fair?
Far superior? Lol. Ok.
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Heinike had as good a night as Jones did, including leading the game winning drive...
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if you saw the Giants trying to play defense the last 2 games. So far both QBs who played against us look like Super Bowl MVPs
Can’t the same be said for Washington’s defense? You can’t discredit Heinike for our defense playing bad but then not do the same for Jones. At least be fair.
Actually, now that you mention it, Jones looked far superior to golden boy Herbert who played the WFT last week. Fair?
Are you out of your mind? Have you watched Herbert play? As a thrower of the football Herbert is in another dimension from Jones. And he is more athletic. Try to be a little objective -- please. There is no GM in the NFL that wouldn't rate Herbert above Jones.
Lol FAR superior. I'll give Henicke credit. He played a good game. Ok?
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Heinike had as good a night as Jones did, including leading the game winning drive...
Is he worth paying $30M a year?
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if you saw the Giants trying to play defense the last 2 games. So far both QBs who played against us look like Super Bowl MVPs
Can’t the same be said for Washington’s defense? You can’t discredit Heinike for our defense playing bad but then not do the same for Jones. At least be fair.
Actually, now that you mention it, Jones looked far superior to golden boy Herbert who played the WFT last week. Fair?
Are you out of your mind? Have you watched Herbert play? As a thrower of the football Herbert is in another dimension from Jones. And he is more athletic. Try to be a little objective -- please. There is no GM in the NFL that wouldn't rate Herbert above Jones.
There it is. Your answer is completely out of context. Was comparing the games against the same defense. Jones didn't have a turnover and basically should have won the game with his legs...if our defense can make a stop or we dont get a BS holding call. Not to mention the dropped balls.
But like I said..haters gonna hate)
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Lol FAR superior. I'll give Henicke credit. He played a good game. Ok?
Herbert threw for 100 more yards and the same amount of TDs.
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Lol FAR superior. I'll give Henicke credit. He played a good game. Ok?
Herbert threw for 100 more yards and the same amount of TDs.
Oh, you forgot Daniel Jones rushed for 95 yards and a TD and didn't throw a pick.
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Lol FAR superior. I'll give Henicke credit. He played a good game. Ok?
Herbert threw for 100 more yards and the same amount of TDs.
Oh, you forgot Daniel Jones rushed for 95 yards and a TD and didn't throw a pick.
Herbert isn’t a runner. Is Lamar Jackson better than Aaron Rodgers because he runs?
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Lol FAR superior. I'll give Henicke credit. He played a good game. Ok?
Herbert threw for 100 more yards and the same amount of TDs.
Oh, you forgot Daniel Jones rushed for 95 yards and a TD and didn't throw a pick.
Herbert isn’t a runner. Is Lamar Jackson better than Aaron Rodgers because he runs?
Also Herbert fumbled. Jones played FAR superior.
Far superior is a stretch.