First of all, it was a heart-breaker and there were definitely a bunch of negatives, but there were also bunch of positives that came out of last night's game:
on the plus side:
1. Daniel Jones stepped up and had a pretty decent game agains a very good defense.
- He had no turnovers
- He hit Rudolph for a big time chain-mover
- He ran smart
- He was passing with authority and accuracy, and spread the ball around
- He limited his foolish decisions
2. Shep continued his torrid streak last night
3. The Oline had a decent game especially in passing sets after Gates went out -- they marched down the the field and scored, took them a few sets to settle in, but I thought they had a decent game
4. Barkley broke a big run, after having a nothing burger game last week
5. Booker showed he belongs out there
6. Ojulari had another sack - that's one in each game he's played so far
7. Martinez had a better game than last week
8. Bradberry did give us a chance to win the game at the end
on the down side:
A. The chemistry isn't happening with both of the Giants big time free agents this year - Golladay and Jackson. I mean it really isn't happening. Those two need to figure out how to be vital pieces of this team or this season will be a lost cause and those moves will be stains on Gettleman and the FO.
B. The defense as a whole is not improved over last year. Did giving up Tomlinson hurt us more than adding Jackson and Shelton? That's the question I am asking. Both tHe Giants run defense and pass defense seems to have taken a step backwards this year, and it really doesn't make sense to me at all. Jackson should definitely be an improvement over any corner opposite Bradberry, but it just doesn't appear to be so right now. For the second game in a row a running back gashed the Giants and a perennial backup QB gashed the secondary.
C. Ron Rivera Out-Coached the Giants Coaching staff at the end of the game. The Giants possession may have yielded possible winning points, but they took less than 30 seconds off the clock, and turned the ball back to Washington with 2 minutes left and couldn't figure out a way to stop them. That's a bunch of bull right there. Did anyone have a doubt that Washington couldn't march the ball down the field and get into scoring position -- that part was frikken heart breaking. What was the point of running three straight plays up the middle and leaving 2 minutes on the clock? That was not playing to win. Jones had been having success all night moving the ball. You have the put the ball in the QBs hands and make some plays and run the clock down. An whats the point of using Barkley to run up the middle there? Those were very bad decisions by the coaching staff in my view.
D. Both moving Gates and then losing him with a broken leg -- yeesh -- I thought is was a bad move to change his position. The new center however did do a pretty good job there, and the line still held up -- but I can't help wondering if that particular bit of tinkering was just bad juju.
However, the Giants are comical losers, per usual.
Don't give me the bullshit that its lack of pass rush. They get push up the middle, but the QB always WRs running free. Take that away and maybe the edge guys get there more often
What sticks with me from last night...
TD drop by Slayton
False start
False start
Won the game on a FG miss
Offsides
Lose the game on a FG.
This team knows how to demoralize and brutalize a fan base. One week we are worried if Jones is the guy or not, the next week the supposed strength of this team (The D) comes up SOFT and the tide of public opinion is starting to turn on Judge.
However, the Giants are comical losers, per usual.
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Not generating consistent pressure at all, though. I loved the pick and I have high hopes for him, but the first two games from him are a bit disappointing IMO
Don't give me the bullshit that it's lack of pass rush. They get push up the middle, but the QB always WRs running free. Take that away and maybe the edge guys get there more often
Victor, I do not know enough about x's and o's, but I would be interested in hearing what the defense is hoping to accomplish with their approach. From my layman point of view they do not seem to be playing to their strenghts.
Graham
Garrett (last 2 minutes)
Dexter’s lack of self control
Ref for calling holding on Board
Slayton’s drop, although he did make a great catch on his TD
Saquon all game safe one play (he looks real bad)
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paid big $$ because of it. So WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY PLAYING 10+ YARDS OFF THE LOS??
Don't give me the bullshit that it's lack of pass rush. They get push up the middle, but the QB always WRs running free. Take that away and maybe the edge guys get there more often
Victor, I do not know enough about x's and o's, but I would be interested in hearing what the defense is hoping to accomplish with their approach. From my layman point of view they do not seem to be playing to their strenghts.
Agreed. They are trying to prevent 20+ yard plays in the air, but they give them up anyway on YAC because the middle of the field is open
I get trying to search for positives in a sea of negative, but when you add things like this is cheapens any legitimate points you make.
I actually didn't see him "dance" much lastnight. I did see another lackluster run game design though. 2 games down, maybe 2 routes run by Barkley? Any motion?
Yeah, I do not get the POV that Barkley should be Barkley of 2018, or Barkley of 2019 before his HAS. Major reconstructive knee surgery is a factor. Think about how he looked trying to come back from his HAS, and that was minor compared to this surgery. It is not unusual for players at his position to not be effective right away after sustaining that much tissue trauma. And to be honest, it is possible he may never be the same.
What sticks with me from last night...
TD drop by Slayton
False start
False start
Won the game on a FG miss
Offsides
Lose the game on a FG.
This team knows how to demoralize and brutalize a fan base. One week we are worried if Jones is the guy or not, the next week the supposed strength of this team (The D) comes up SOFT and the tide of public opinion is starting to turn on Judge.
Bold -- yeah -- I didn't include the miscues and lack of discipline - they were better than Washington in that department - but there were a bunch of untimely miscues - and Judge has told us his team wouldn't hurt themselves that way -- but they did it repeatedly last night
Part of that is that they were playing a division team. Division games tend to be uglier - but that's a bad look for a Coach that preaches he was going to put a fundamentally sound team out there that won't hurt themselves.
I get trying to search for positives in a sea of negative, but when you add things like this is cheapens any legitimate points you make.
Booker plays fundamentally sound football - and knows his assignments. He kept heat off of the QB when he was in there. He ran well with the ball in his hands.
Toney is behind C.J. Board, and Ojulari looks very angular and non-explosive. IMO.
The question I have is pretty simple:
Is Graham being told to play defense this way by Judge or is he maybe not so good at this DC thing?
For now I am giving Graham the benefit of the doubt. For now.
Crick, you can give him the mulligan of injury, but his stat line sucks if you take a 41 yarder off and even with the 41 yarder his ypc is middling.
If he can explode for a long gain with speed (which he did), how much of his production challenge is his injury vs his historic tendency to break a long one then get several small yardage plays?
Crick, you can give him the mulligan of injury, but his stat line sucks if you take a 41 yarder off and even with the 41 yarder his ypc is middling.
If he can explode for a long gain with speed (which he did), how much of his production challenge is his injury vs his historic tendency to break a long one then get several small yardage plays?
Hasaan, this issue here is you have never liked Barkley as a player, correct? I think the Barkley we got before the injuries was a fantastic player.
I don't think it is as simple as saying, "he made a long run here with speed, so the injury is not affecting him". You have data, player testimonies that coming back from this injury is difficult and takes time. If you are saying that Barkley looks the same as he did before the injuries then we can agree to disagree.
The question I have is pretty simple:
Is Graham being told to play defense this way by Judge or is he maybe not so good at this DC thing?
For now I am giving Graham the benefit of the doubt. For now.
LoS -- I am really perplexed by this -- he seemingly did better with less talent in the secondary last year
You can't let a QB just march against the defense all game -- I think there were maybe four stops all game - and no stop where it counted -- that is a repeating factor through three separate coaching staffs -- no bueno!
Barkley's name kept getting called to run up the gut behind a line giving no push. A perfect example is the Jones' run in the 2nd half where Young thought he crushed Barkley for a loss - that's what our RB's faced most of lastnight.
At what point do we change how we use him? This whole "hard yards" thing is such nonsense - being 2nd and 7 is no different than 2nd and 8, especially when you factor in what a 40 yard play can do for a team when it hits.
Barkley's name kept getting called to run up the gut behind a line giving no push. A perfect example is the Jones' run in the 2nd half where Young thought he crushed Barkley for a loss - that's what our RB's faced most of last night.
At what point do we change how we use him? This whole "hard yards" thing is such nonsense - being 2nd and 7 is no different than 2nd and 8, especially when you factor in what a 40 yard play can do for a team when it hits.
This is a good point. Teams are gravitating to barkley which is why Jones runs were open. The Giants are doing Barkley favors by continuing to get Jones on the outside. Teams will have to stop crashing inside.
I understand its not that simple. He is hurt, but in fact he probably will always be diminished and I do believe NYG has to find a different way to deploy him. Pass the ball to him more in space, etc. But I think he will always have issues with a high percentage of minimal gains if they use him like a traditional back.
I do also agree the run design is not great.
I understand its not that simple. He is hurt, but in fact he probably will always be diminished and I do believe NYG has to find a different way to deploy him. Pass the ball to him more in space, etc. But I think he will always have issues with a high percentage of minimal gains if they use him like a traditional back.
I do also agree the run design is not great.
Fair post. I do not think his issues with "dirty run" are as much of an issue as fans make it out to be. A decent run blocking OL would help, it does not have to be even close to perfect for him to succeed as a "traditional back. He has tremendous power, he doesn't shy from contact. He probably needs to learn a little more about running at the NFL level (ala Tiki)
Undisciplined, dumb football team not paying attention to detail, cost them in penalties and breakdowns. Hell, the OL played better after Gates broke his leg because they got some new blood in there!
Giants should've won the game, but deserved to lose. This is a trend with bad football teams. And, the overall coaching looks like a young bunch trying to learn how to win in the NFL, same as the players.
Bredeson and Price need to play, leave them in there and let's see if the OL continues to play better. Golladay showed some hustle out there, but needs to shut up and not start yelling at the QB on the bench. I said it for the past year, the defense isn't finished, it needs more talent up front in the seven. Martinez and LW can't do it alone.
Theme of the game was mistakes and lack of discipline, but if it helps the team/coaches figure out how to attack and start finding ways to win instead of BEAT THEMSELVES, then it will be worth it down the road.
Clean it up!
The Giants didn’t get the ball run on them with their base personnel out there. They were gashed with nickel personnel out there, with either Holmes or Peppers as the 5th DB. Hell, they were in nickel personnel on the freaking goal line TD. Gotta get tighter out there and not allow so many natural running lanes. Also, the edges have to be better at the point of attack.
I'm wondering if Coughlin should have stayed outside - if using him in the middle is square peg/round hole type of thing.
IMO, Tomlinson is missed. Not knocking the decision to not re-sign him, but still think he's missed. Not a main ingredient - but an important one
Barkley's name kept getting called to run up the gut behind a line giving no push. A perfect example is the Jones' run in the 2nd half where Young thought he crushed Barkley for a loss - that's what our RB's faced most of lastnight.
At what point do we change how we use him? This whole "hard yards" thing is such nonsense - being 2nd and 7 is no different than 2nd and 8, especially when you factor in what a 40 yard play can do for a team when it hits.
When he puts his head down and plows into the pile of DL players waiting for him, then detracters yell he has no vision and can't find the hole. They make it so he can't win
Then that play on the WASH TD where they only had 2 down lineman on the LS is a head scratcher. Ive never seen a team do that on basically a goal line stand. Then it appeared they ran it again late in the 4th. Gave up a crucial 1st down there. Time to rip that look out of the playbook
His line, the situation, etc. He is a soft runner inside the tackles….a knock that goes back to Penn State.
Because results.
The receiver had 7 inches on him. There's not much Adoree can do on high balls unless he has the receiver in front of him there.
Basically, Golladay was open but Slayton was wide open. Slayton goes on to drop the pass. Golladay is basically saying if the game is one the line, choose me.