It is not a second guess if you state it before it happens.
Is there anybody here that thought that not being aggressive in an attempt to get 1 first down was the way to go?
North of 2 minutes to play and the other team with all the timeouts trailing by 2.
We all knew what was going to happen.
Before anyone says well he missed the kick and we would have won with that strategy save for the boneheaded play by Dexter Lawrence, we had control of the outcome and good coaches with garbage defenses as the Giants are at this time, don't want to give the final possesion to their opponent up 2 points with adequate time rmaining.
This was the worst strategy of the night.
Honestly, what the Giants did after that INT was exactly what every Wash coach, player and fan hoped they would do. It was seriously the worst playcalls they could have chosen. I'm still livid over it and I really hope this means the end to this regime.
He's a clown until proven otherwise. Go run the hill yourself for ruining this game.
99.9% of anyone that knows todays football would rather be the team losing with control of the ball with a FG that can win it.
So the fact Judge played for this situation shows me all I need to know about his fake hustle.
That plus burning a TO on a play you can't challenge week 1...he is looking worse then the dummies that came before him.
Where's the bootleg with an option to throw for DJ? Even the play they had run successfully all night with DJ faking and running was the better option. There are a ton of safe plays you can run that gets yards, runs the clock, but gets you in a position to get 10 yards.
Barkley up the middle 2x is wishful thinking and played right into their hands.
Was the third down throw even a 1st down if he catches it?
Tough is overrated when you don't know how to put your players in a position to succeed. Right or wrong, players, coaches and teams are defined by the MOMENT. Those 1-2-3 moments every week that sink or elevate the team. Any one can hang around. Any coach can preside over a 20-17 score late 3rd quarter. That's the easy part.
The moments that define these teams and coaches are lost, time and time and time again by any HC here since Coughlin.
Reminder, Mara fired Coughlin after his offense scored 427 pts in 2015. The same offense that had 2 professional talents and nothing else. The same team that had 2 professional defenders and nothing else. Great job Jonny.
I warned everyone that day he was fired that we better have a solid HC in McAdoo and a real plan in place. Nope. They didn't. MAra fired Coughlin because of the pressure and Coughlin's age and here we are, still looking for an adequate replacement.
Mara can go stage some more fake rage and throw a chair.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
Oh cmon, you don't throw three straight incompletions...you instead have a list of your best plays to get a 1st down in that situation.
Did those three plays look like their best?
JJ fucked up.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
no one is saying just throw 3 straight passes.
But two dive plays with barkley (who simply can't run between the tackles) and a slant short of the sticks is pussy football.
Why not have Barkley and Toney in the game have toney go in motion or run some RPO with Jones/Barkley which was effective.
3 TO's and 2 minutes in todays NFL is the same as 1 TO and 2 minutes.
Teams can get down the field in 30 seconds in todays NFL...so playing for a FG is weak sauce because everyone in there mother knows the giants can't play power football.
Needed a TD there, not a FG. Does Garrett ever use a
play action pass, would have been great in that situation?
WFT had one timeout left, plus the two minute warning.
To go down and kick a field goal, which they didn't...
then they did, ugh!
However you also have to look at what is actually happening out there. It was clear unless WTF screwed up we weren't going to stop them, he had 58 minutes of learning this. Our D stinks. So you have to be more aggressive. Judge seems to have the "one size fits all" strategy, which may work with Baltimore's D but not ours.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
In theory yes I agree, but when have the Giants being able to run at will and push the line? It feels like we are talking all the way back to the 2008 line. When you take into consideration Washington’s front four alone against our Oline, you can’t expect to win that battle. Add to that the fact that Saquon hasn’t proven to be good short yardage back unless he’s going over the top.
I warned everyone that day he was fired that we better have a solid HC in McAdoo and a real plan in place. Nope. They didn't. MAra fired Coughlin because of the pressure and Coughlin's age and here we are, still looking for an adequate replacement.
Mara can go stage some more fake rage and throw a chair.
They really fired Coughlin after not making the playoffs
for four straight years, don't kid yourself.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
I wouldn't. I even defended Coughlin (2015) for that very reason.
I am still more mad about the decision to eschew the FG attempt in the first half. It probably shouldn't bother me as much as it is, but here we are...
More I think about it, the more I think this team gets hot at some point and sucks us back in, but the damage this loss brings will be too much to overcome. 0-2 if you're the 07 Giants or 93 Dallas is one thing, but we aint them.
This conservative approach to games and play calling is what gets HC's fired.
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a painful close loss season to be sure, Coughlin isn't running his rusty RB into the ground there in the 4th. He's unleashing Eli and the passing game because he knew full well that team had to score a shit load of pts to win. Inevitably, Eli would not be perfect, or the team would not close out a tough game, and Coughlin would take the heat. But Coughlin knew exactly wtf he was doing that year. He didn't coach scared. He coached to win based on what he had.
I warned everyone that day he was fired that we better have a solid HC in McAdoo and a real plan in place. Nope. They didn't. MAra fired Coughlin because of the pressure and Coughlin's age and here we are, still looking for an adequate replacement.
Mara can go stage some more fake rage and throw a chair.
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They really fired Coughlin after not making the playoffs
for four straight years, don't kid yourself.
I know why they fired him. They still haven't recovered.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
As I said....no 2nd guess....the tried and true and failed strategy of running Barkley into the stone wall expecting 5-6-7 yards was simply never going to happen....Jones might have thrown a pick, but here again a 2 point lead with 2 minutes remaining with our so called defense.......I would have taken that all day if I was the Redskins
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
And that last sentence sums it up. I was screaming at the TV not to use Barkley here. Spread the D out or maybe try an RPO. Barkley is not a clock eater. That Dline was ready for him and he still has that habit of getting to the line and and turning his back and falling into it. He'd have been better of using Penny in that situation. Barkley wasn't likely to break another.
a 47 yard FG is long in todays NFL? no way
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
And that last sentence sums it up. I was screaming at the TV not to use Barkley here. Spread the D out or maybe try an RPO. Barkley is not a clock eater. That Dline was ready for him and he still has that habit of getting to the line and and turning his back and falling into it. He'd have been better of using Penny in that situation. Barkley wasn't likely to break another.
Agree with a belly play for Penny as the change up play, but that is where you can't go vanilla...read right into the Redskins plan, hell if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have hoped the opposition to play it that way.
99.9% of anyone that knows todays football would rather be the team losing with control of the ball with a FG that can win it.
So the fact Judge played for this situation shows me all I need to know about his fake hustle.
That plus burning a TO on a play you can't challenge week 1...he is looking worse then the dummies that came before him.
Well said. They did exactly what the opposing team wanted them to do. And I don't blame that on Garrett- those calls come from the HC at that junction. If they don't, that may be even worse.
The anointing of Judge needs to be slowed down. He has had an awful start to the season. I honestly think with most other head coaches the Giants win easily last night.
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would you rather be the team that is down 2 with the ball with 2 minutes left or the team winning by 2 on defense?
99.9% of anyone that knows todays football would rather be the team losing with control of the ball with a FG that can win it.
So the fact Judge played for this situation shows me all I need to know about his fake hustle.
That plus burning a TO on a play you can't challenge week 1...he is looking worse then the dummies that came before him.
Well said. They did exactly what the opposing team wanted them to do. And I don't blame that on Garrett- those calls come from the HC at that junction. If they don't, that may be even worse.
The anointing of Judge needs to be slowed down. He has had an awful start to the season. I honestly think with most other head coaches the Giants win easily last night.
Its crazy with teams getting the ball at the 25 and FG kickers hitting mid 50 yarders like its no problem now means teams really just have to get 35 yards to be in realistic FG range.
35 yards in 2 minutes is crazy. 35 yards can happen in 2 players in less than 30 seconds. So playing for that situation just shows you how clueless Judge is in terms of coaching in todays NFL.
Especially when the giants can't manufacture a pass rush.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
No way. You play to win the game. A first down/td ices it and we literally run with Barkley twice in right formations? It was regarted. We were dealing all night and the defense was trash and we played it like it was opposite. Moronic.
This conservative approach to games and play calling is what gets HC's fired.
Time will tell, but I’m really hoping he can be honest with himself and not blame it on better “execution”
If they had gotten a 1st down, then I'm all for settling for a FG. But they left WFT with the 2-min warning and a TO. If this was a Judge decision, I really have to rethink my confidence in him.
Tough is overrated when you don't know how to put your players in a position to succeed. Right or wrong, players, coaches and teams are defined by the MOMENT. Those 1-2-3 moments every week that sink or elevate the team. Any one can hang around. Any coach can preside over a 20-17 score late 3rd quarter. That's the easy part.
Exactly right. What does it say to the offense that you're going to run dive plays and settle for the FG? It tells them you don't trust them. Don't think for a minute that every offensive player wasn't thinking that last night. The O played a terrific game, the D was shit for the 2nd week in a row, put the ball in the O's hands to win the game. Just brutal.
If they had gotten a 1st down, then I'm all for settling for a FG. But they left WFT with the 2-min warning and a TO. If this was a Judge decision, I really have to rethink my confidence in him.
But if it wasn't Judge's decision- isn't that even worse? Not saying he needs to make the specific call but he's the Head Coach he needs to decide that strategy.
That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
Sure, but 2 dive plays? The zone read was working all night, why not try one of those? Why call running plays with packed formations? Why not throw on one of the early downs?
They played it safe to go for the FG, and it cost them. I'm not letting them off the hook for "wanting to be able to run in the red zone".
THE PREVIOUS DRIVE is the one people should be up in arms over. Yes, it’s a non-issue if Slayton catches the ball. However, choosing to kick a 55 yard FG to go up 6 points on 4th & 4 with that much time left was simply fucking nuts.
It was LOSER shit and they lost because Judge refused to grab the game by the throat.
Young head coach learning mistake?
I am sure even Parcells did things he regrets at age 38
No defense here of Judge, he made other egregious errors last night...what the hell was the goaline formation that Washington scored on...invitation sign....hey guys run right here.
That was the dilemma there. Not sure where the first down was, 2 yardline?, but getting it without scoring was kind of tricky.
I think that situation lends some credence to trying to run, but not out of a tight formation.
Had they been able to get to 3rd and 3 or less, not impossible, the strategy might have worked.
That was the dilemma there. Not sure where the first down was, 2 yardline?, but getting it without scoring was kind of tricky.
I think that situation lends some credence to trying to run, but not out of a tight formation.
Had they been able to get to 3rd and 3 or less, not impossible, the strategy might have worked.
They got the ball at the 21 yd line.
1st down on 2nd down would have done it. That's probably the mistake, give your QB two chances at the play.
Having said that, I think the play calling was horrendous. I would have tried that RPO to the left that gained big all game instead of run it into the middle. Washington stacked the box expecting Barkley to run, and that is what they got. And even when they finally tried for the first down with a 3rd down pass, it would have been short even if it had been caught.
You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
Amen to this last line of your post
THE PREVIOUS DRIVE is the one people should be up in arms over. Yes, it’s a non-issue if Slayton catches the ball. However, choosing to kick a 55 yard FG to go up 6 points on 4th & 4 with that much time left was simply fucking nuts.
It was LOSER shit and they lost because Judge refused to grab the game by the throat.
Both were terrible coaching decisions. I don't know the exact analytics but I'm sure they say that he made may boneheaded mistakes. He's as bad as MCcarthy
Overall just horrendous situation game strategy and play calling.
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Burn their TOs or try and score a TD. He burned two TO and the two minute warning. He made them take a pretty long FG attempt because they ran out of time which was his plan. Not trying to defend him and I think getting the TD was probably a better choice given the defense but if you do go for the TD you can easily come away worse than they did with their choice
a 47 yard FG is long in todays NFL? no way
Long enough to miss. And he did. They throw it twice and miss, the Skins have another TO and it’s a 37 yard. Look, I’m just pointing out the decision point. They throw it twice and get a TD and we probably win.
Not true. They burned two TO and the two minute warning. Washington had to kick the FG when and where they did because they ran out of time.
Judge did mess that up. Hopefully he learns. It was one of his first times in this situation- generally our O is horrendous, but they were good enough to trust last night.
May be the best game Garret has called otherwise....but yes the play calling in that moment was not good.
Running Barkley behind a packed formation was just plain stupid. Very little chance of success, especially given that he is nowhere close to 100%
But Judge is very conservative. Fans noticed it last season but this was dismissed as a young coach finding his way. But now it carried over to this season and I think it fair to assume this is indeed his coaching style.
TOU HAVE TO MAKE GETTING A FIRST DOWN YOUR GOAL…..not allowing for them to use two of their time outs.
Clearly, Garrett and or Judge were more concerned with the time outs and taking their chances watching our defense go back out there again.
LOSING TEAMS AND LOSING COACHES HAVE THIS MENTALITY….SO I GUESS THAT FITS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE- LOSERS!
The NFL is not what it used to be. This is a league where the Heinecke's of the world are scoring 30+ points. Need to adjust to that reality - as stupid of a reality as it may be!
Judge hasn't been a HC at any level before this gig, so I can maintain some patience but need to see growth.
The NFL is not what it used to be. This is a league where the Heinecke's of the world are scoring 30+ points. Need to adjust to that reality - as stupid of a reality as it may be!
Judge hasn't been a HC at any level before this gig, so I can maintain some patience but need to see growth.
This is a great point. Let's see where it leads...if Judge learns and improves from it, we'll be better off.
But a lot of coaches can't shake it, and it ends up being their demise.