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Joe Judge after the Bradberry Int.

NewBlue : 9/17/2021 9:28 am
It is not a second guess if you state it before it happens.

Is there anybody here that thought that not being aggressive in an attempt to get 1 first down was the way to go?
North of 2 minutes to play and the other team with all the timeouts trailing by 2.

We all knew what was going to happen.
Before anyone says well he missed the kick and we would have won with that strategy save for the boneheaded play by Dexter Lawrence, we had control of the outcome and good coaches with garbage defenses as the Giants are at this time, don't want to give the final possesion to their opponent up 2 points with adequate time rmaining.

This was the worst strategy of the night.
It hasn't been talked about much  
giantBCP : 9/17/2021 9:32 am : link
but the three man rush on Washington's following 4th down play was laughable as well.
I'd have to rewatch the game  
family progtitioner : 9/17/2021 9:33 am : link
which I won't do, but not only did they run SB twice into the line, but they did so from packed formations making the Wash FT job easy. They didn't even try to spread them out which was working so well.

Honestly, what the Giants did after that INT was exactly what every Wash coach, player and fan hoped they would do. It was seriously the worst playcalls they could have chosen. I'm still livid over it and I really hope this means the end to this regime.
There's so much crap that happened  
kelsto811 : 9/17/2021 9:34 am : link
That Judge deserves to be chewed out for and yes, this is definitely one of them. More of the playing scared. Conservative clearly hasn't worked for us.
I can rattle off  
djm : 9/17/2021 9:34 am : link
3-4 WTF moments from last night that go right back to the HC, and 3-4 is being kind.

He's a clown until proven otherwise. Go run the hill yourself for ruining this game.
its this simple  
mphbullet36 : 9/17/2021 9:34 am : link
would you rather be the team that is down 2 with the ball with 2 minutes left or the team winning by 2 on defense?

99.9% of anyone that knows todays football would rather be the team losing with control of the ball with a FG that can win it.

So the fact Judge played for this situation shows me all I need to know about his fake hustle.

That plus burning a TO on a play you can't challenge week 1...he is looking worse then the dummies that came before him.
100%  
brookeny : 9/17/2021 9:35 am : link
Joe judge coaches conservative and it cost him yet again. I don’t think any other coach would have settled for a FG. Most would have aggressively tired to get a 1st down then kick the FG of they don’t score a TD. Leaving them with around 30 seconds
too conservative and it cost them...  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 9:37 am : link
...they should have have plays specifically for a situation like this, where you need ONE first down.

Where's the bootleg with an option to throw for DJ? Even the play they had run successfully all night with DJ faking and running was the better option. There are a ton of safe plays you can run that gets yards, runs the clock, but gets you in a position to get 10 yards.

Barkley up the middle 2x is wishful thinking and played right into their hands.

Was the third down throw even a 1st down if he catches it?
by the way  
djm : 9/17/2021 9:38 am : link
McAdoo was tough on this team too.

Tough is overrated when you don't know how to put your players in a position to succeed. Right or wrong, players, coaches and teams are defined by the MOMENT. Those 1-2-3 moments every week that sink or elevate the team. Any one can hang around. Any coach can preside over a 20-17 score late 3rd quarter. That's the easy part.

The moments that define these teams and coaches are lost, time and time and time again by any HC here since Coughlin.


Reminder, Mara fired Coughlin after his offense scored 427 pts in 2015. The same offense that had 2 professional talents and nothing else. The same team that had 2 professional defenders and nothing else. Great job Jonny.
coaching sucks all around  
KDubbs : 9/17/2021 9:38 am : link
from last week not knowing the challenge rule(great bullshitter answer though in his presser about it) to calling a timeout on offense and coming out and Shepard has no clue where to line up leading to false start/delay. then on washingtons final drive a stoppage happens and they come out if it and 2 morons are running off the field late causing us to use a timeout. WTF is going on?
if this was 2015  
djm : 9/17/2021 9:42 am : link
a painful close loss season to be sure, Coughlin isn't running his rusty RB into the ground there in the 4th. He's unleashing Eli and the passing game because he knew full well that team had to score a shit load of pts to win. Inevitably, Eli would not be perfect, or the team would not close out a tough game, and Coughlin would take the heat. But Coughlin knew exactly wtf he was doing that year. He didn't coach scared. He coached to win based on what he had.

I warned everyone that day he was fired that we better have a solid HC in McAdoo and a real plan in place. Nope. They didn't. MAra fired Coughlin because of the pressure and Coughlin's age and here we are, still looking for an adequate replacement.

Mara can go stage some more fake rage and throw a chair.
the ending  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2021 9:42 am : link
was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)
RE: the ending  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


Oh cmon, you don't throw three straight incompletions...you instead have a list of your best plays to get a 1st down in that situation.

Did those three plays look like their best?

JJ fucked up.
RE: the ending  
mphbullet36 : 9/17/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


no one is saying just throw 3 straight passes.

But two dive plays with barkley (who simply can't run between the tackles) and a slant short of the sticks is pussy football.

Why not have Barkley and Toney in the game have toney go in motion or run some RPO with Jones/Barkley which was effective.

3 TO's and 2 minutes in todays NFL is the same as 1 TO and 2 minutes.

Teams can get down the field in 30 seconds in todays NFL...so playing for a FG is weak sauce because everyone in there mother knows the giants can't play power football.
Too conservative  
Carson53 : 9/17/2021 9:49 am : link
they took about 15 seconds off the game clock as well.
Needed a TD there, not a FG. Does Garrett ever use a
play action pass, would have been great in that situation?
WFT had one timeout left, plus the two minute warning.
To go down and kick a field goal, which they didn't...
then they did, ugh!
Look I get completely the "burn their timeouts", take the sure lead  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2021 9:49 am : link
type of approach.

However you also have to look at what is actually happening out there. It was clear unless WTF screwed up we weren't going to stop them, he had 58 minutes of learning this. Our D stinks. So you have to be more aggressive. Judge seems to have the "one size fits all" strategy, which may work with Baltimore's D but not ours.
RE: the ending  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/17/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


In theory yes I agree, but when have the Giants being able to run at will and push the line? It feels like we are talking all the way back to the 2008 line. When you take into consideration Washington’s front four alone against our Oline, you can’t expect to win that battle. Add to that the fact that Saquon hasn’t proven to be good short yardage back unless he’s going over the top.
RE: if this was 2015  
Carson53 : 9/17/2021 9:51 am : link
In comment 15373534 djm said:
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a painful close loss season to be sure, Coughlin isn't running his rusty RB into the ground there in the 4th. He's unleashing Eli and the passing game because he knew full well that team had to score a shit load of pts to win. Inevitably, Eli would not be perfect, or the team would not close out a tough game, and Coughlin would take the heat. But Coughlin knew exactly wtf he was doing that year. He didn't coach scared. He coached to win based on what he had.

I warned everyone that day he was fired that we better have a solid HC in McAdoo and a real plan in place. Nope. They didn't. MAra fired Coughlin because of the pressure and Coughlin's age and here we are, still looking for an adequate replacement.

Mara can go stage some more fake rage and throw a chair.
.

They really fired Coughlin after not making the playoffs
for four straight years, don't kid yourself.
RE: the ending  
djm : 9/17/2021 9:51 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


I wouldn't. I even defended Coughlin (2015) for that very reason.

I am still more mad about the decision to eschew the FG attempt in the first half. It probably shouldn't bother me as much as it is, but here we are...

More I think about it, the more I think this team gets hot at some point and sucks us back in, but the damage this loss brings will be too much to overcome. 0-2 if you're the 07 Giants or 93 Dallas is one thing, but we aint them.

.  
Danny Kanell : 9/17/2021 9:52 am : link
You cannot be that conservative when your defense has been an absolute sieve all day. Even if they burned all their timeouts, they were getting the ball with 2 minutes left and only needing a FG to win. Against a defense that gave allowed a touchdown on 2 plays to give up the lead 5 minutes before that.
the real issue is JJ going to realize he screwed it up..  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 9:52 am : link
..or look at is as hey, they missed the FG but we made a stupid mistake, otherwise we win.

This conservative approach to games and play calling is what gets HC's fired.
RE: RE: if this was 2015  
djm : 9/17/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15373575 Carson53 said:
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In comment 15373534 djm said:


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a painful close loss season to be sure, Coughlin isn't running his rusty RB into the ground there in the 4th. He's unleashing Eli and the passing game because he knew full well that team had to score a shit load of pts to win. Inevitably, Eli would not be perfect, or the team would not close out a tough game, and Coughlin would take the heat. But Coughlin knew exactly wtf he was doing that year. He didn't coach scared. He coached to win based on what he had.

I warned everyone that day he was fired that we better have a solid HC in McAdoo and a real plan in place. Nope. They didn't. MAra fired Coughlin because of the pressure and Coughlin's age and here we are, still looking for an adequate replacement.

Mara can go stage some more fake rage and throw a chair.

.

They really fired Coughlin after not making the playoffs
for four straight years, don't kid yourself.


I know why they fired him. They still haven't recovered.
RE: the ending  
NewBlue : 9/17/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


As I said....no 2nd guess....the tried and true and failed strategy of running Barkley into the stone wall expecting 5-6-7 yards was simply never going to happen....Jones might have thrown a pick, but here again a 2 point lead with 2 minutes remaining with our so called defense.......I would have taken that all day if I was the Redskins
The coach has to make a choice  
BillT : 9/17/2021 9:54 am : link
Burn their TOs or try and score a TD. He burned two TO and the two minute warning. He made them take a pretty long FG attempt because they ran out of time which was his plan. Not trying to defend him and I think getting the TD was probably a better choice given the defense but if you do go for the TD you can easily come away worse than they did with their choice
RE: the ending  
Blue21 : 9/17/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


And that last sentence sums it up. I was screaming at the TV not to use Barkley here. Spread the D out or maybe try an RPO. Barkley is not a clock eater. That Dline was ready for him and he still has that habit of getting to the line and and turning his back and falling into it. He'd have been better of using Penny in that situation. Barkley wasn't likely to break another.
Will Hernandez ‘s blocking on that last series was  
cosmicj : 9/17/2021 9:55 am : link
Lamentable.
screw the TD...try for a first down  
NewBlue : 9/17/2021 9:56 am : link
Which would have left the Redskins with under 30 seconds
RE: The coach has to make a choice  
mphbullet36 : 9/17/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15373594 BillT said:
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Burn their TOs or try and score a TD. He burned two TO and the two minute warning. He made them take a pretty long FG attempt because they ran out of time which was his plan. Not trying to defend him and I think getting the TD was probably a better choice given the defense but if you do go for the TD you can easily come away worse than they did with their choice


a 47 yard FG is long in todays NFL? no way
RE: screw the TD...try for a first down  
Danny Kanell : 9/17/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15373603 NewBlue said:
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Which would have left the Redskins with under 30 seconds


This
RE: RE: the ending  
NewBlue : 9/17/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15373596 Blue21 said:
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In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:


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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)



And that last sentence sums it up. I was screaming at the TV not to use Barkley here. Spread the D out or maybe try an RPO. Barkley is not a clock eater. That Dline was ready for him and he still has that habit of getting to the line and and turning his back and falling into it. He'd have been better of using Penny in that situation. Barkley wasn't likely to break another.


Agree with a belly play for Penny as the change up play, but that is where you can't go vanilla...read right into the Redskins plan, hell if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have hoped the opposition to play it that way.
RE: its this simple  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15373500 mphbullet36 said:
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would you rather be the team that is down 2 with the ball with 2 minutes left or the team winning by 2 on defense?

99.9% of anyone that knows todays football would rather be the team losing with control of the ball with a FG that can win it.

So the fact Judge played for this situation shows me all I need to know about his fake hustle.

That plus burning a TO on a play you can't challenge week 1...he is looking worse then the dummies that came before him.


Well said. They did exactly what the opposing team wanted them to do. And I don't blame that on Garrett- those calls come from the HC at that junction. If they don't, that may be even worse.

The anointing of Judge needs to be slowed down. He has had an awful start to the season. I honestly think with most other head coaches the Giants win easily last night.
RE: RE: its this simple  
mphbullet36 : 9/17/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15373628 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 15373500 mphbullet36 said:


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would you rather be the team that is down 2 with the ball with 2 minutes left or the team winning by 2 on defense?

99.9% of anyone that knows todays football would rather be the team losing with control of the ball with a FG that can win it.

So the fact Judge played for this situation shows me all I need to know about his fake hustle.

That plus burning a TO on a play you can't challenge week 1...he is looking worse then the dummies that came before him.



Well said. They did exactly what the opposing team wanted them to do. And I don't blame that on Garrett- those calls come from the HC at that junction. If they don't, that may be even worse.

The anointing of Judge needs to be slowed down. He has had an awful start to the season. I honestly think with most other head coaches the Giants win easily last night.


Its crazy with teams getting the ball at the 25 and FG kickers hitting mid 50 yarders like its no problem now means teams really just have to get 35 yards to be in realistic FG range.

35 yards in 2 minutes is crazy. 35 yards can happen in 2 players in less than 30 seconds. So playing for that situation just shows you how clueless Judge is in terms of coaching in todays NFL.

Especially when the giants can't manufacture a pass rush.
If  
Les in TO : 9/17/2021 10:11 am : link
We had our 2007, 2008 or 2011 D I could understand taking a chance against a backup QB with the game on the line. But with the D getting scored on with ease/no pass rush and the offense actually having a pretty good night, they should have gone for a TD or at least a first down
RE: the ending  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 10:11 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


No way. You play to win the game. A first down/td ices it and we literally run with Barkley twice in right formations? It was regarted. We were dealing all night and the defense was trash and we played it like it was opposite. Moronic.
RE: the real issue is JJ going to realize he screwed it up..  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15373585 BillKo said:
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..or look at is as hey, they missed the FG but we made a stupid mistake, otherwise we win.

This conservative approach to games and play calling is what gets HC's fired.


Time will tell, but I’m really hoping he can be honest with himself and not blame it on better “execution”
You spread the ball out and let DJ call it at the line  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 10:15 am : link
It’s really that simple.
I don't know who's decision it was to go conservative  
Section331 : 9/17/2021 10:16 am : link
at that point, Garrett's or Judge's, but wow, talk about not trusting your offense. They had played well all night, and more importantly, error-free. DJ was having a great game, why not put the ball in his hands?

If they had gotten a 1st down, then I'm all for settling for a FG. But they left WFT with the 2-min warning and a TO. If this was a Judge decision, I really have to rethink my confidence in him.
I don't think Shurmur would have botched that game as badly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 10:16 am : link
and he botched many.
Maybe they really thought Barkley  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/17/2021 10:16 am : link
would get a first down with those run plays. Which is scary on one hand. But at least he had his big 40 yard run earlier in the game..
RE: by the way  
Section331 : 9/17/2021 10:19 am : link
In comment 15373516 djm said:
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McAdoo was tough on this team too.

Tough is overrated when you don't know how to put your players in a position to succeed. Right or wrong, players, coaches and teams are defined by the MOMENT. Those 1-2-3 moments every week that sink or elevate the team. Any one can hang around. Any coach can preside over a 20-17 score late 3rd quarter. That's the easy part.



Exactly right. What does it say to the offense that you're going to run dive plays and settle for the FG? It tells them you don't trust them. Don't think for a minute that every offensive player wasn't thinking that last night. The O played a terrific game, the D was shit for the 2nd week in a row, put the ball in the O's hands to win the game. Just brutal.
RE: I don't know who's decision it was to go conservative  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:19 am : link
In comment 15373703 Section331 said:
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at that point, Garrett's or Judge's, but wow, talk about not trusting your offense. They had played well all night, and more importantly, error-free. DJ was having a great game, why not put the ball in his hands?

If they had gotten a 1st down, then I'm all for settling for a FG. But they left WFT with the 2-min warning and a TO. If this was a Judge decision, I really have to rethink my confidence in him.


But if it wasn't Judge's decision- isn't that even worse? Not saying he needs to make the specific call but he's the Head Coach he needs to decide that strategy.
RE: the ending  
Section331 : 9/17/2021 10:22 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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was reminiscent of the 1993 game against the Cowboys where Dan Reeves got real conservative (though in that game, it was worse because Dan was playing for the tie).

That said, if we had thrown three straight incompletions there, BBI would also be having a fit this morning.

You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)


Sure, but 2 dive plays? The zone read was working all night, why not try one of those? Why call running plays with packed formations? Why not throw on one of the early downs?

They played it safe to go for the FG, and it cost them. I'm not letting them off the hook for "wanting to be able to run in the red zone".
You don’t have the lead and you can’t jeopardize  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2021 10:22 am : link
the FG attempt. I disagree with the complaints about this drive. Sure I’d love to run less conservative plays but that’s not Jason Garrett and efficient passing isn’t exactly this team’s forte.

THE PREVIOUS DRIVE is the one people should be up in arms over. Yes, it’s a non-issue if Slayton catches the ball. However, choosing to kick a 55 yard FG to go up 6 points on 4th & 4 with that much time left was simply fucking nuts.

It was LOSER shit and they lost because Judge refused to grab the game by the throat.
If the other team had no timeouts  
NewBlue : 9/17/2021 10:29 am : link
Then the call would have been right, but knowing they could stop the clock 3 times plus the 2 minute warning, you played into their hands, that is a lower rung coaching decision.

Young head coach learning mistake?
I am sure even Parcells did things he regrets at age 38
No defense here of Judge, he made other egregious errors last night...what the hell was the goaline formation that Washington scored on...invitation sign....hey guys run right here.




The Giants  
joeinpa : 9/17/2021 10:33 am : link
With Washington having 3 timeouts left, we’re not going to clinch the game there unless they got a first down before the score.

That was the dilemma there. Not sure where the first down was, 2 yardline?, but getting it without scoring was kind of tricky.

I think that situation lends some credence to trying to run, but not out of a tight formation.

Had they been able to get to 3rd and 3 or less, not impossible, the strategy might have worked.
On the third down, I would have faked a pitch to Barkley  
Simms11 : 9/17/2021 10:33 am : link
to the left and had DJ run a boot to the right to pick up an easy first down. Instead they chose to throw, in the middle of the field, no less, and it still would have been short of the sticks if completed. We had to kill more clock there and it just was not meant to be. Play calling on that series was very very conservative and played right into their hands.
RE: The Giants  
Section331 : 9/17/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15373770 joeinpa said:
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With Washington having 3 timeouts left, we’re not going to clinch the game there unless they got a first down before the score.

That was the dilemma there. Not sure where the first down was, 2 yardline?, but getting it without scoring was kind of tricky.

I think that situation lends some credence to trying to run, but not out of a tight formation.

Had they been able to get to 3rd and 3 or less, not impossible, the strategy might have worked.


They got the ball at the 21 yd line.
Would a 1st down have sealed the game?  
armstead98 : 9/17/2021 10:40 am : link
I'm not sure about this but I think Washington would have just saved the timeouts and and been able to get the ball back.

1st down on 2nd down would have done it. That's probably the mistake, give your QB two chances at the play.
one correction  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/17/2021 10:40 am : link
Washington had only one timeout. They did not have the 2 minute warning as the field goal got the clock down to 2 minutes, so it was gone.

Having said that, I think the play calling was horrendous. I would have tried that RPO to the left that gained big all game instead of run it into the middle. Washington stacked the box expecting Barkley to run, and that is what they got. And even when they finally tried for the first down with a 3rd down pass, it would have been short even if it had been caught.
RE: the ending  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15373537 Eric from BBI said:
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You've got to be able to run the football in the red zone, espcially with the "Hand of God" at running back. (sarcasm off)

Amen to this last line of your post
RE: You don’t have the lead and you can’t jeopardize  
family progtitioner : 9/17/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15373724 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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the FG attempt. I disagree with the complaints about this drive. Sure I’d love to run less conservative plays but that’s not Jason Garrett and efficient passing isn’t exactly this team’s forte.

THE PREVIOUS DRIVE is the one people should be up in arms over. Yes, it’s a non-issue if Slayton catches the ball. However, choosing to kick a 55 yard FG to go up 6 points on 4th & 4 with that much time left was simply fucking nuts.

It was LOSER shit and they lost because Judge refused to grab the game by the throat.


Both were terrible coaching decisions. I don't know the exact analytics but I'm sure they say that he made may boneheaded mistakes. He's as bad as MCcarthy
They need to be desperate to score a TD and  
arniefez : 9/17/2021 10:43 am : link
make the 2 pt conversation and they ran into the line twice from a power formation and then threw a short pass short of the 1st down. As much as it pains me they deserved to lose the way they did because they played to lose that way. It's sickening.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/17/2021 10:48 am : link
unless there is 30 seconds left or under, and WFT has zero timeouts, you try and score there. Any other decision makes you a pussy in today's NFL and it is a losing mentality.
Judge  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:51 am : link
Also know your team and game situation. This isn't exactly a dominant power run team ( unfortunately). They were not effective running like that all night- why try it there?

Overall just horrendous situation game strategy and play calling.
RE: RE: The coach has to make a choice  
BillT : 9/17/2021 10:55 am : link
In comment 15373604 mphbullet36 said:
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Burn their TOs or try and score a TD. He burned two TO and the two minute warning. He made them take a pretty long FG attempt because they ran out of time which was his plan. Not trying to defend him and I think getting the TD was probably a better choice given the defense but if you do go for the TD you can easily come away worse than they did with their choice



a 47 yard FG is long in todays NFL? no way

Long enough to miss. And he did. They throw it twice and miss, the Skins have another TO and it’s a 37 yard. Look, I’m just pointing out the decision point. They throw it twice and get a TD and we probably win.
Throw the damn ball  
blueblood'11 : 9/17/2021 11:07 am : link
I agree you are not going to throw on all three downs but what they did did nothing to bleed the clock. So you might as well have thrown the ball. There was too much time left on the clock, and with them having all three timeouts left, to go so conservative. Why not spread them out. You basically told them what you were doing. You left them without any doubt in their minds. You were trying to run through a brick wall. Either spread them out or while they have it packed in so tight roll Jones out off a play fake. Maybe someone sneaks open or Jones can sprint to the outside. The way the Giants lined up and the personell package they had in there I bet Washington never would have seen that coming.
RE: Throw the damn ball  
BillT : 9/17/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15373917 blueblood'11 said:
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I agree you are not going to throw on all three downs but what they did did nothing to bleed the clock.

Not true. They burned two TO and the two minute warning. Washington had to kick the FG when and where they did because they ran out of time.
It's great  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 11:42 am : link
to see so many people realizing that you have to close games with offense in the modern NFL. For years people would blame the D in this situation. Granted the D sucked all night so they deserved tons of blame, but you win the game with your O, like the Chargers did last week.

Judge did mess that up. Hopefully he learns. It was one of his first times in this situation- generally our O is horrendous, but they were good enough to trust last night.
BillT  
blueblood'11 : 9/17/2021 11:50 am : link
Not sure about your rational. They did not bleed the clock. What Washington was left with was a an eternity in the NFL. And given that they scored a touchdown on their previous drive using only eleven seconds to go so conservative there and the manner in which they did made absolutely no sense. Spread the defense out. Make them defend more then just the run. Leave them guessing. At least try to get first down or even try to put it in the end zone. If they don't well then you can't blame them for trying. They played not to lose and played right into to Washington's hands.
The read option is a play that should have been called on 1st or 2nd  
Rjanyg : 9/17/2021 11:58 am : link
down. Washington had a hard time with it all night and we needed to burn the clock and score a TD.

May be the best game Garret has called otherwise....but yes the play calling in that moment was not good.
You have to go for a TD  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2021 11:59 am : link
Or at least get a first down

Running Barkley behind a packed formation was just plain stupid. Very little chance of success, especially given that he is nowhere close to 100%
Judge has shown himself to be a very conservative coach  
moespree : 9/17/2021 12:00 pm : link
This is surprising because you wouldn't describe either of the two main people he worked for Saban or Belichick that way. They are conservative if the moment calls for it but more times than not they take chances.

But Judge is very conservative. Fans noticed it last season but this was dismissed as a young coach finding his way. But now it carried over to this season and I think it fair to assume this is indeed his coaching style.
blueblood  
BillT : 9/17/2021 12:59 pm : link
The time that JJ’s strategy left them was 2 minutes and one time out. That wasn’t an eternity. It was just enough for them to get a 47 yard FG attempt when they ran out of time. They missed that FG. If the game ends there then JJ’s worked.
No doubt at all  
5BowlsSoon : 9/17/2021 1:05 pm : link
Any knowlefeable Giant fan or football fan would know-don’t give them the ball back at all. They have been moving downfield with ease and heck, the last time they had the ball, they scored in two plays.

TOU HAVE TO MAKE GETTING A FIRST DOWN YOUR GOAL…..not allowing for them to use two of their time outs.

Clearly, Garrett and or Judge were more concerned with the time outs and taking their chances watching our defense go back out there again.

LOSING TEAMS AND LOSING COACHES HAVE THIS MENTALITY….SO I GUESS THAT FITS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE- LOSERS!
Judge's opposing coach last night  
JB_in_DC : 9/17/2021 1:15 pm : link
was once known for his conservative play-calling, and the best stretch of his career was jumpstarted by reversing course and being more aggressive.

The NFL is not what it used to be. This is a league where the Heinecke's of the world are scoring 30+ points. Need to adjust to that reality - as stupid of a reality as it may be!

Judge hasn't been a HC at any level before this gig, so I can maintain some patience but need to see growth.
RE: Judge's opposing coach last night  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15374322 JB_in_DC said:
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was once known for his conservative play-calling, and the best stretch of his career was jumpstarted by reversing course and being more aggressive.

The NFL is not what it used to be. This is a league where the Heinecke's of the world are scoring 30+ points. Need to adjust to that reality - as stupid of a reality as it may be!

Judge hasn't been a HC at any level before this gig, so I can maintain some patience but need to see growth.


This is a great point. Let's see where it leads...if Judge learns and improves from it, we'll be better off.

But a lot of coaches can't shake it, and it ends up being their demise.
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