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Joe Judge after the Bradberry Int.

NewBlue : 9/17/2021 9:28 am
It is not a second guess if you state it before it happens.

Is there anybody here that thought that not being aggressive in an attempt to get 1 first down was the way to go?
North of 2 minutes to play and the other team with all the timeouts trailing by 2.

We all knew what was going to happen.
Before anyone says well he missed the kick and we would have won with that strategy save for the boneheaded play by Dexter Lawrence, we had control of the outcome and good coaches with garbage defenses as the Giants are at this time, don't want to give the final possesion to their opponent up 2 points with adequate time rmaining.

This was the worst strategy of the night.
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They need to be desperate to score a TD and  
arniefez : 9/17/2021 10:43 am : link
make the 2 pt conversation and they ran into the line twice from a power formation and then threw a short pass short of the 1st down. As much as it pains me they deserved to lose the way they did because they played to lose that way. It's sickening.
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ryanmkeane : 9/17/2021 10:48 am : link
unless there is 30 seconds left or under, and WFT has zero timeouts, you try and score there. Any other decision makes you a pussy in today's NFL and it is a losing mentality.
Judge  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:51 am : link
Also know your team and game situation. This isn't exactly a dominant power run team ( unfortunately). They were not effective running like that all night- why try it there?

Overall just horrendous situation game strategy and play calling.
RE: RE: The coach has to make a choice  
BillT : 9/17/2021 10:55 am : link
In comment 15373604 mphbullet36 said:
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In comment 15373594 BillT said:


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Burn their TOs or try and score a TD. He burned two TO and the two minute warning. He made them take a pretty long FG attempt because they ran out of time which was his plan. Not trying to defend him and I think getting the TD was probably a better choice given the defense but if you do go for the TD you can easily come away worse than they did with their choice



a 47 yard FG is long in todays NFL? no way

Long enough to miss. And he did. They throw it twice and miss, the Skins have another TO and it’s a 37 yard. Look, I’m just pointing out the decision point. They throw it twice and get a TD and we probably win.
Throw the damn ball  
blueblood'11 : 9/17/2021 11:07 am : link
I agree you are not going to throw on all three downs but what they did did nothing to bleed the clock. So you might as well have thrown the ball. There was too much time left on the clock, and with them having all three timeouts left, to go so conservative. Why not spread them out. You basically told them what you were doing. You left them without any doubt in their minds. You were trying to run through a brick wall. Either spread them out or while they have it packed in so tight roll Jones out off a play fake. Maybe someone sneaks open or Jones can sprint to the outside. The way the Giants lined up and the personell package they had in there I bet Washington never would have seen that coming.
RE: Throw the damn ball  
BillT : 9/17/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15373917 blueblood'11 said:
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I agree you are not going to throw on all three downs but what they did did nothing to bleed the clock.

Not true. They burned two TO and the two minute warning. Washington had to kick the FG when and where they did because they ran out of time.
It's great  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 11:42 am : link
to see so many people realizing that you have to close games with offense in the modern NFL. For years people would blame the D in this situation. Granted the D sucked all night so they deserved tons of blame, but you win the game with your O, like the Chargers did last week.

Judge did mess that up. Hopefully he learns. It was one of his first times in this situation- generally our O is horrendous, but they were good enough to trust last night.
BillT  
blueblood'11 : 9/17/2021 11:50 am : link
Not sure about your rational. They did not bleed the clock. What Washington was left with was a an eternity in the NFL. And given that they scored a touchdown on their previous drive using only eleven seconds to go so conservative there and the manner in which they did made absolutely no sense. Spread the defense out. Make them defend more then just the run. Leave them guessing. At least try to get first down or even try to put it in the end zone. If they don't well then you can't blame them for trying. They played not to lose and played right into to Washington's hands.
The read option is a play that should have been called on 1st or 2nd  
Rjanyg : 9/17/2021 11:58 am : link
down. Washington had a hard time with it all night and we needed to burn the clock and score a TD.

May be the best game Garret has called otherwise....but yes the play calling in that moment was not good.
You have to go for a TD  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2021 11:59 am : link
Or at least get a first down

Running Barkley behind a packed formation was just plain stupid. Very little chance of success, especially given that he is nowhere close to 100%
Judge has shown himself to be a very conservative coach  
moespree : 9/17/2021 12:00 pm : link
This is surprising because you wouldn't describe either of the two main people he worked for Saban or Belichick that way. They are conservative if the moment calls for it but more times than not they take chances.

But Judge is very conservative. Fans noticed it last season but this was dismissed as a young coach finding his way. But now it carried over to this season and I think it fair to assume this is indeed his coaching style.
blueblood  
BillT : 9/17/2021 12:59 pm : link
The time that JJ’s strategy left them was 2 minutes and one time out. That wasn’t an eternity. It was just enough for them to get a 47 yard FG attempt when they ran out of time. They missed that FG. If the game ends there then JJ’s worked.
No doubt at all  
5BowlsSoon : 9/17/2021 1:05 pm : link
Any knowlefeable Giant fan or football fan would know-don’t give them the ball back at all. They have been moving downfield with ease and heck, the last time they had the ball, they scored in two plays.

TOU HAVE TO MAKE GETTING A FIRST DOWN YOUR GOAL…..not allowing for them to use two of their time outs.

Clearly, Garrett and or Judge were more concerned with the time outs and taking their chances watching our defense go back out there again.

LOSING TEAMS AND LOSING COACHES HAVE THIS MENTALITY….SO I GUESS THAT FITS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE- LOSERS!
Judge's opposing coach last night  
JB_in_DC : 9/17/2021 1:15 pm : link
was once known for his conservative play-calling, and the best stretch of his career was jumpstarted by reversing course and being more aggressive.

The NFL is not what it used to be. This is a league where the Heinecke's of the world are scoring 30+ points. Need to adjust to that reality - as stupid of a reality as it may be!

Judge hasn't been a HC at any level before this gig, so I can maintain some patience but need to see growth.
RE: Judge's opposing coach last night  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15374322 JB_in_DC said:
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was once known for his conservative play-calling, and the best stretch of his career was jumpstarted by reversing course and being more aggressive.

The NFL is not what it used to be. This is a league where the Heinecke's of the world are scoring 30+ points. Need to adjust to that reality - as stupid of a reality as it may be!

Judge hasn't been a HC at any level before this gig, so I can maintain some patience but need to see growth.


This is a great point. Let's see where it leads...if Judge learns and improves from it, we'll be better off.

But a lot of coaches can't shake it, and it ends up being their demise.
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