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Tough Young and Gritty team -Work in progress

TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 9:43 am
First
The Offense played its guts out. Immediately lose the most important player on the OL with a horrific injury -Love me some Gates. Hes the one btw the way that called alignment and check etc. Big big blow. We lost 2 of our tough guys up front. You know what happened they had a couple of procedure penalties but they all played their ass off against the all world D front of WFT. They palyed their ass off it wasnt perfect - DJ was phenominal to not only keep it together but continually putting them in the LEAD! Great throws and runs and call at the line -ie first TD to Slay. He was under pressure and still made great plays. SQ looks like hes starting to come on -hit the holes in 3/4 qtr much better and made some nice reads. WRs still work in progress need practice, Shep new man whatever they did with him is working, he seems tougher smarter and savvier too -hope he keeps this up.. Cant just jam him at line anymore. Slayton starting to come on too.. Damn that would have been a nice TD there -btw Did you see the hit DJ took when he threw it?! OK ill get to the O after the turnover.

Second
Defense looks lost in the middle of the field. Graham has to get that fixed.. Not sure why they have LBr on TE on passing down? Gave QB too much time and let him get comfortable, hopefully we will see the D turn up the heat or it will be a long season. They need to get off the damn field and make stops! Bradberry starting to come around -great INT! Adoree looks like he is coming off injury still not playing freely and fast but much improved. Carter and Alujialari look right out there. Safety play need to pick it up.

Third
Coaching -This loss was due to bad decisions by the young coach. After the turnover you go for the kill. I hated the play calling decision. I understand the issue with the time outs but it wouldnt have mattered if you get that score. Trusting this D to hold after the could not get off the field the whole game was a bad decision.

Fourth
After all that this team played tough and hard the whole game. Was the end disappointing -absolutely. They made easily fixable mistakes .I was impressed how well the team rose to the challenge.. Dont forget we were dominating upfront until the injury. Losing Gates could have been catastrophic but they held it together after the injury. I like this team. It needs a couple more games and i think it takes off. This year reminds me off Coughlins early years.. fits and spurts and bad losses but you could see the identity start to rise.

Last
Look i know bad teams will not get the calls but The refs were awful, brutal calls all game. how was that not a PI on Golladay on the sideline?! he had to try and catch one handed and the ref was looking right at him. Or the OPI Call on the TD on Dans run? On D too Dex got held and was in choke hold on the TD throw right in front of the ref, then the 3 bad spots 2 of which should have been first downs. Very poor work but you cant blame the refs, Giants game was in hand had the lead and D could stop em when we needed it. End of story 2 games D shit the bed.
Tough and gritty?  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 9:47 am : link
😂

They folded late in the game to blow a win. Just like they have done over and over again over the years.
I am worn out as a fan  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 9:48 am : link
I have officially lost my patience. Being 0-2 is part of the problem, but worse is, how they are losing still.
Fair and rational post  
UberAlias : 9/17/2021 9:49 am : link
I don't see the coaching decisions as being massive mistakes. I also don't put penalties on the coach unless it's an over and over thing. That's on the players. This was more of coming at the worst time with a lot of help from the refs. This team needs to learn how to win. I realize that's a cliche, but it's true. As you said, work in progress.
TheBlueprintNC  
M.S. : 9/17/2021 9:49 am : link

In general, I agree with your comments.

But not a word about the non-existent pass rush?

Can't win in the NFL with Giants-level pass rushers. They are bottom-tier.

And so is the team.
Pass rush is big issue  
UberAlias : 9/17/2021 9:51 am : link
Many here overrated our defensive talent and maybe underrated our Oline. Pass rusher might be our biggest need, even ahead of Oline, to be honest.
RE: TheBlueprintNC  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15373568 M.S. said:
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In general, I agree with your comments.

But not a word about the non-existent pass rush?

Can't win in the NFL with Giants-level pass rushers. They are bottom-tier.

And so is the team.


No good point i agree with it too, we did see pressure but not enough and yes the D must play more aggressively the 2 CBs need to hold up better 1 on 1 and the safeties have to cover the middle better. That said I like what Carter and Olijuari were doing for the most part.
RE: Tough and gritty?  
madeinstars : 9/17/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15373555 Greg from LI said:
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😂

They folded late in the game to blow a win. Just like they have done over and over again over the years.


So much this. This is basically a copy + paste from every 'positive takeaways' thread of the last few seasons and in the end we never had any actual sustained positive improvement.
Coaching …  
brookeny : 9/17/2021 9:56 am : link
The coaching is literally costing us games. 1. Delay of game out of a time out 2. Skins call a timeout we then have to call a timeout 3. Not aggressive, gotta score TD’s , settles for FG’s. 4. With over 2 minutes left amd the skins have 3 TO Judge was satisfied wasting 1st and 2nd down on runs up the gut agaisnt a stacked line. Knowing that they must get a 1st down then kick the FG as time expires. He was content giving them the ball with 2 full minutes and a timeout and only down 2… unacceptable
right now the giants look like a bottom 3 team in the NFL.  
japanhead : 9/17/2021 9:57 am : link
first game they get blown out and look completely outclassed, second game they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory from a team with an overrated defense playing a UDFA backup quarterback, who's number they've had for the past three years.

can't stop the run at all. they shouldn't have let tomlinson walk, and their first-round draft pick can't get on the field. the coaching has been questionable at best. things seem bad.
RE: I am worn out as a fan  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15373557 crick n NC said:
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I have officially lost my patience. Being 0-2 is part of the problem, but worse is, how they are losing still.


To become great -we gotta learn to win. -Bruce Arians
OP registered in September 2021.  
Mike from SI : 9/17/2021 9:58 am : link
Is this a Dave Gettelman or Joe Judge burner account? Somebody who works for the front office and is scared of being fired?
You like what Carter is doing?  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 9:59 am : link
What IS Carter doing? His best invisible man impression?
Enough  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2021 9:59 am : link
Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.
Enough with the moral victories.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/17/2021 10:02 am : link
0-2 for the fifth straight season. Dogshit for the majority of a decade now. Win games.
It's sad how low us Giants fans have set the bar.  
Blue21 : 9/17/2021 10:03 am : link
We've seen this repeated same crap for 8 years now. I'm sick of it. No excuse for this loss. Jones by far was the best player on the field. Solder is done. Barkley gets one long run and then
has trouble to find a yard(which has been his MO). The defense is embarrassing and a waste of money. Hope Graham gets a HC gig this off season. And Joe that was not blue collar defense we witnessed.
Get out of here with "work in progress"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 10:04 am : link
Tired of "patience" discourse. You are what your record says you are.
RE: Enough  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15373621 ajr2456 said:
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Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.


No That timeline is erroneous -This is the teams 2nd year together -which didnt not have many of its starters practice pre season due to injuries and covid issues.. unfortunate but true. This is a team that has completely turned over its roster and has not played together long enough yet.
This franchise has the yips  
Dnew15 : 9/17/2021 10:07 am : link
Winners know that putt is going in the hole.

Losers are worrying about comebacker before they hit the putt.

Everyone in the franchise knows it's not going in the hole right now.

With every loss - it gets harder and harder to stand with confidence over that putt.

It's a hard cycle to break.
Giants  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:08 am : link
I can't listen to any more excuses and "signs of progress". This team just consistently loses.

They gave this game away against a team playing their backup QB on a short week. Can you imagine the excuses on here if the Giants started Mike Glennon on a Thursday night?

It's sad how far the expectations of this fanbase has fallen.
RE: RE: Enough  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2021 10:09 am : link
In comment 15373650 TheBlueprintNC said:
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In comment 15373621 ajr2456 said:


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Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.



No That timeline is erroneous -This is the teams 2nd year together -which didnt not have many of its starters practice pre season due to injuries and covid issues.. unfortunate but true. This is a team that has completely turned over its roster and has not played together long enough yet.


Whatever makes you feel better
RE: OP registered in September 2021.  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 10:09 am : link
In comment 15373617 Mike from SI said:
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Is this a Dave Gettelman or Joe Judge burner account? Somebody who works for the front office and is scared of being fired?


nah been here forever -thats why im not irrational like most.
Work in progress my ass  
The_Boss : 9/17/2021 10:10 am : link
Over the last 5 years, this is the NFL doormat. Not the Lions. Not the Jets. Not the Cardinals. Not the Browns. The NY Giants. I don’t know about everyone else here, but I’m tired of being the team everybody wants to play.
RE: RE: OP registered in September 2021.  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 10:13 am : link
In comment 15373670 TheBlueprintNC said:
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In comment 15373617 Mike from SI said:


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Is this a Dave Gettelman or Joe Judge burner account? Somebody who works for the front office and is scared of being fired?



nah been here forever -thats why im not irrational like most.


Is it irrational for fans to be tired of the team losing the same ways even though it is only the second year of this staff? I think fans are right to be upset with zero patience at this point.
Work In Progress  
NJLCO : 9/17/2021 10:14 am : link
Every you just said is bull shit. Work in Progress means your getting better at something. They are worse off than a year ago at this time. Coaching sucks, Defense sucks and O can’t get a critical first down at the most important point in the game. Bull shit to all of this and no one knows how to win in the NFL.
RE: Enough with the moral victories.  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15373633 Dave in Hoboken said:
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0-2 for the fifth straight season. Dogshit for the majority of a decade now. Win games.


yeah i get it - It was the same thing when TC took over, Giant fans couldnt see it starting to come together. I get it its emotional and you can get wrapped up in it, but being irrational and over react based on history or uninformed perceptions is just dumb. Its why people make bad decisions or lose money in markets or gamblers continue to lose or blow up relationships or voted for Biden lol
RE: RE: Enough  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15373650 TheBlueprintNC said:
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In comment 15373621 ajr2456 said:


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Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.



No That timeline is erroneous -This is the teams 2nd year together -which didnt not have many of its starters practice pre season due to injuries and covid issues.. unfortunate but true. This is a team that has completely turned over its roster and has not played together long enough yet.


You don't think other NFL teams have covid or injury issues? Just the Giants okay...

And you realize this is Rivera's 2nd year and he just beat the Giants with a backup QB on a short week. But keep rolling out those excuses... They are making progress!!!
RE: RE: Enough with the moral victories.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 10:25 am : link
In comment 15373698 TheBlueprintNC said:
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0-2 for the fifth straight season. Dogshit for the majority of a decade now. Win games.



yeah i get it - It was the same thing when TC took over, Giant fans couldnt see it starting to come together. I get it its emotional and you can get wrapped up in it, but being irrational and over react based on history or uninformed perceptions is just dumb. Its why people make bad decisions or lose money in markets or gamblers continue to lose or blow up relationships or voted for Biden lol



The Giants made the playoffs in coughlin's first full season as head coach. They went into 2006 expecting to make the playoffs.

This team has sucked for 5 years.

Sorry, second full season, 2005.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 10:25 am : link
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For this LONG time fan  
Carson53 : 9/17/2021 10:42 am : link
Moral victories aren't going to cut it anymore, win some damn football games around here already!
I am not getting any younger, this much I know.
RE: RE: RE: Enough  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15373726 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 15373650 TheBlueprintNC said:


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In comment 15373621 ajr2456 said:


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Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.



No That timeline is erroneous -This is the teams 2nd year together -which didnt not have many of its starters practice pre season due to injuries and covid issues.. unfortunate but true. This is a team that has completely turned over its roster and has not played together long enough yet.



You don't think other NFL teams have covid or injury issues? Just the Giants okay...

And you realize this is Rivera's 2nd year and he just beat the Giants with a backup QB on a short week. But keep rolling out those excuses... They are making progress!!!


His team was also ale to practice together tis preseason - I watch them and I like Ron as a coach too. I love Del Rio as D coordinator -the have a very talented team espec D and we just put up points on them.
RE: Sorry, second full season, 2005.  
Carson53 : 9/17/2021 10:44 am : link
In comment 15373734 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Yep, made playoffs in 2005, won SB in 2007 (Eli's 4th year).
RE: RE: Enough with the moral victories.  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15373698 TheBlueprintNC said:
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0-2 for the fifth straight season. Dogshit for the majority of a decade now. Win games.



yeah i get it - It was the same thing when TC took over, Giant fans couldnt see it starting to come together. I get it its emotional and you can get wrapped up in it, but being irrational and over react based on history or uninformed perceptions is just dumb. Its why people make bad decisions or lose money in markets or gamblers continue to lose or blow up relationships or voted for Biden lol


who's that?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Enough  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15373823 TheBlueprintNC said:
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In comment 15373650 TheBlueprintNC said:


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In comment 15373621 ajr2456 said:


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Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.



No That timeline is erroneous -This is the teams 2nd year together -which didnt not have many of its starters practice pre season due to injuries and covid issues.. unfortunate but true. This is a team that has completely turned over its roster and has not played together long enough yet.



You don't think other NFL teams have covid or injury issues? Just the Giants okay...

And you realize this is Rivera's 2nd year and he just beat the Giants with a backup QB on a short week. But keep rolling out those excuses... They are making progress!!!



His team was also ale to practice together tis preseason - I watch them and I like Ron as a coach too. I love Del Rio as D coordinator -the have a very talented team espec D and we just put up points on them.


The Giants weren't able to practice this preseason? I missed that.

The excuses made for this team are unbelievable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Enough  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15373823 TheBlueprintNC said:
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In comment 15373650 TheBlueprintNC said:


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In comment 15373621 ajr2456 said:


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Of the “progress”, “they played hard”, “this part of the team played well” threads. They’ve been recycled for 5 years now.

Win games.



No That timeline is erroneous -This is the teams 2nd year together -which didnt not have many of its starters practice pre season due to injuries and covid issues.. unfortunate but true. This is a team that has completely turned over its roster and has not played together long enough yet.



You don't think other NFL teams have covid or injury issues? Just the Giants okay...

And you realize this is Rivera's 2nd year and he just beat the Giants with a backup QB on a short week. But keep rolling out those excuses... They are making progress!!!



His team was also ale to practice together tis preseason - I watch them and I like Ron as a coach too. I love Del Rio as D coordinator -the have a very talented team espec D and we just put up points on them.


Injuries aren’t an excuse.
So ill leave this..Go watch  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/17/2021 11:52 am : link
Baldy's breakdowns and listen to what he says as he clearly illustrates and backs up what im saying.. enjoy the season.. Its going to be one of highs and low lows as the team begins to find itself.

There is nothing wrong with the coaching, It would be nice if they can keep the line intact and get some playing time, gonna havve to add another OL tho. Peart will probably staart playing more going forward even though Solder was pretty OK last night. There is nothing wrong with the QB just give him a bit of time in the pocket and allow him to grow, let SQ find his game -new knee and all.. Does the D have enough? I think so not gonna be world beaters yet but will keep us in games once it finds itself too.
and I'll leave this  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 11:59 am : link
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RE: So ill leave this..Go watch  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15374093 TheBlueprintNC said:
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Baldy's breakdowns and listen to what he says as he clearly illustrates and backs up what im saying.. enjoy the season.. Its going to be one of highs and low lows as the team begins to find itself.

There is nothing wrong with the coaching, It would be nice if they can keep the line intact and get some playing time, gonna havve to add another OL tho. Peart will probably staart playing more going forward even though Solder was pretty OK last night. There is nothing wrong with the QB just give him a bit of time in the pocket and allow him to grow, let SQ find his game -new knee and all.. Does the D have enough? I think so not gonna be world beaters yet but will keep us in games once it finds itself too.


We’ve been hearing they’d find themselves for five years and then everyone gets duped by a two game winning streak at the end of the year
Maybe this is true  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 12:11 pm : link
Its also true that its a terrible team assembled by a moron. Despite any perceived grittiness we are a long way from being good. I suspect that the number of current Giants who are on the next Giants team to win a playoff game is less than 5. Possibly zero.
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