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hitdog42 : 9/17/2021 9:57 am
It is clear as had been advocated ahead of the season, and again this week--- that the best way to use Jones and help the OL and be a more modern NFL offense is to make Jones a threat and use him in the run game.
the Giants clearly got the message this week, and the results were 1) Jones gaining key yards 2) lanes opening for WRs due to the threat 3) OL aided by the DL having to respect that

the question then goes to RB... for that style of offense what type of RB do you want? the answer is a style that is Alfred Morris in his youth. North/south runner who has great vision and puts the team in 2nd and 4 quite often. It is not a jump cut person looking for homeruns. the threat of the RPO is the QB and the downhill move.

this is not a sh$t on Barkley thread---- its to say that the offense that best suits this team does not actually suit him, even the better version of him, unless they can get him to change his style.
To me  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 10:01 am : link
it comes down to each person if they think Barkley is getting adequate blocking to be productive. To me, that answer is clearly no. It should theoretically get easier for him since teams can't crash down so hard with jones threatening the edge. But the interior OL has to get better at run blocking.
Agree hitdog 100%. I too don't want to shit on Barkley but  
Blue21 : 9/17/2021 10:11 am : link
if we had an oline that made hugh holes he could thrive and be a record breaker. But give me the WFT's running back Gibbons(?). He was plowing through in and around people. Barkley has a bad habit of approaching the LOS that's stuffed and turning his back to it. Or dancing until he's crushed in the back field. I want a power back.
Booker runs harder then Barkley and even  
Simms11 : 9/17/2021 10:15 am : link
Penny, however with Barkley as the starter, we need to set him up better for success. Is the Oline blocking scheme the right one for Barkley? Gallman had better success but the Oline was a bit different as well. He also was more of a hit the gap and go back. Barkley seems to want to always cut it outside. Take away his 41 yard jaunt and he had 17 yards rushing in 11 carries!
I think the best backup RB on the team is Penny  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2021 10:16 am : link
He needs more touches. As much as 50/50 with Barkley until Barkley shows consistent positive results.

Booker is not better than Penny.
hitdog  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/17/2021 10:17 am : link
that is spot on -- I loved it when Freeman and Morris were smashing through the line earlier in the season last year before they broke down --

That is complementary to what this team needs to do and damned exciting
Two things still stick out  
JonC : 9/17/2021 10:19 am : link
1) run blocking really needs to improve and 2) SB's got to figure out how to slow down what he's processing in order to see the holes, and then hit them hard.
They knew we were going to run it!  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/17/2021 10:29 am : link
Why not have Penny in there at FB??? Defense would have had to think about who was getting ball!
Barkey is making me remember Ron Dayne.  
chitt17 : 9/17/2021 10:32 am : link
Still remember Dayne dancing around behind the line of scrimmage.
RE: Barkey is making me remember Ron Dayne.  
Blue21 : 9/17/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15373764 chitt17 said:
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Still remember Dayne dancing around behind the line of scrimmage.


EEEWWWW I didn't want to say it but.....that's why drafting a RB at #2 is such a gamble. No Gain Dayne is forever etched in my brain.
The problem isn’t running RPO  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 10:43 am : link
The problem is insisting running Barkley out of tight formations. Spread the offense out, give DJ high autonomy at the line, and get Barkley in space. We should be in 3 and 4 wide personnel often. Hopefully they figure it out with KT or Engram comes back soon.
The only RB I can recall who had a  
Section331 : 9/17/2021 10:43 am : link
successful career as a "dancer" was Barry Sanders, and I hate to break it to everyone, SB is no Barry Sanders. I get that he is still recovering from the knee surgery, and agree that we should all be patient, BUT if he doesn't have to HR threat, why is he still dancing?

Find the crease, duck your head, and get what you can. You're more likely to break one off doing that than by dancing until a lane opens.
It's a combo of both  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 10:50 am : link
Barkley is not being put in a position that fits his play style best. We aren't throwing him the ball, we aren't getting him in space.

But ffs, he is and always has been an awful fit for this team. From day 1, he was not the type of north and south runner this team needs.

I actually thought that maybe his injury would make him more of a north-south runner and actually improve his game, but it hasn't.

This is whole Barkley is. He was this type of runner at Penn State, and even when people refer back to Barkleys rookie year, this was the same run style he had back then.

-1, 0, 2, -1, 2, 3, 0, -1, 30 yards.

It's not the way you sustain drives, and it's not the way you put a young and shakey QB in the position to succeed, considering how often Jones is put in 3rd and long situations.
RE: The only RB I can recall who had a  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15373830 Section331 said:
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successful career as a "dancer" was Barry Sanders, and I hate to break it to everyone, SB is no Barry Sanders. I get that he is still recovering from the knee surgery, and agree that we should all be patient, BUT if he doesn't have to HR threat, why is he still dancing?

Find the crease, duck your head, and get what you can. You're more likely to break one off doing that than by dancing until a lane opens.
Even when he tries to do this, he can't find or hit the hole. It almost seems like a vision problem. He's running into the back of O-lineman, and then doing it without much power on top of that.
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crick n NC : 9/17/2021 11:20 am : link
Is this the dancing people are talking about?
Baldy - ( New Window )
RE: .  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15373961 crick n NC said:
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Is this the dancing people are talking about? Baldy - ( New Window )
Ok.... so we need to see that on a more consistent basis, not a couple times per games.

His median ypc speaks for itself.
RE: Agree hitdog 100%. I too don't want to shit on Barkley but  
Producer : 9/17/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15373682 Blue21 said:
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if we had an oline that made hugh holes he could thrive and be a record breaker. But give me the WFT's running back Gibbons(?). He was plowing through in and around people. Barkley has a bad habit of approaching the LOS that's stuffed and turning his back to it. Or dancing until he's crushed in the back field. I want a power back.


enough with the record breaker stuff. Can we just get healthy and top-8.
RE: RE: .  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 11:24 am : link
In comment 15373964 Bear vs Shark said:
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In comment 15373961 crick n NC said:


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Is this the dancing people are talking about? Baldy - ( New Window )

Ok.... so we need to see that on a more consistent basis, not a couple times per games.

His median ypc speaks for itself.


The point is, there should be consideration to why he may be dancing. Barkley has had an issue with dancing, but I feel it is overstated by fans when they see Barkley trying to make defenders miss that have beaten the blocks upfront. We got to ask ourselves on each run that we feel he danced too much, was it necessary?
Barkley had to  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 11:24 am : link
juke/dance on that play to get the yards he got. If he runs straight ahead? He runs into Chase Young for a loss which happens too much anyway.
Dancing  
penkap75 : 9/17/2021 11:43 am : link
I remember in the off season commenting that I hoped SB would dance less and hit the hole harder after rehabbing from his injury. BBI braintrust called me an asshole for even suggesting he was a dancer. I do think he dances much less this season, but he just runs into a pile without vision (like David Wilson) since he can't rely on dancing anymore.
RE: Dancing  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 11:56 am : link
In comment 15374055 penkap75 said:
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I remember in the off season commenting that I hoped SB would dance less and hit the hole harder after rehabbing from his injury. BBI braintrust called me an asshole for even suggesting he was a dancer. I do think he dances much less this season, but he just runs into a pile without vision (like David Wilson) since he can't rely on dancing anymore.
Agreed. Crick, I do think its partially due his vision. In the play you linked, the hole was impossible to miss (visually, not physically)
RE: RE: Dancing  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15374105 Bear vs Shark said:
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In comment 15374055 penkap75 said:


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I remember in the off season commenting that I hoped SB would dance less and hit the hole harder after rehabbing from his injury. BBI braintrust called me an asshole for even suggesting he was a dancer. I do think he dances much less this season, but he just runs into a pile without vision (like David Wilson) since he can't rely on dancing anymore.

Agreed. Crick, I do think its partially due his vision. In the play you linked, the hole was impossible to miss (visually, not physically)


BVS, He certainly may have issues seeing creases, I am a layman when it comes to what players should be doing on the field.

As for the video, the reason I linked it was to point out that barkley had to dance to even get to the crease. So many times we have seen him have to fight off defenders before he can even get to the LOS which may explain dancing.
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