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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2021 10:03 am
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Engram on the sideline  
ghost718 : 9/17/2021 10:21 am : link
"He got that from me"

"That's my boy right there"

Joe Judge - "Didn't that happen last year? yeah it did,Hey way to go Slayt! That's tough,smart,fundamentally sound football"
RE: RE: RE: I don't know how it's possible to overthrow that  
DanBenton : 9/17/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15373694 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Slayton has so much downfield speed.



"You serious, Clark?" Pass rush in his face, makes a throw downfield that hits the receiver IN HIS HANDS. That's way more on Slayton than it is on Jones.



You've got a photo right there showing you it got his fingertips.

Especially with pressure in his face, I'm surprised Jones got that much on it to overthrow a speed WR going full-steam.


Honestly, if this is going to be the absurd argument then maybe we should also criticize Slayton for not getting full arm extension. He's got an inch or two more he could reach out. I mean, it's right there in the picture.
RE: That was the game  
jvm52106 : 9/17/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15373639 mattlawson said:
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All there is to it.


No, though it did hurt.. We still had them late. Judge went into a shell- playing clock when down fistance, momentum etc. all screamed play to get that first down or td and the game is yours..
He busted his ass to get to that ball  
State Your Name : 9/17/2021 10:28 am : link
But in the end was overthrown by about 1/4”
RE: I still  
Dr. D : 9/17/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15373691 Eric from BBI said:
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don't put this game on the offense.

The defense simply could not hold any lead in this game, whether it was 7 points (first half), 6 or 3 points (practically the entire game).

You give up 30 points and 400 yards to Washington?

Exactly.
RE: Thanks E  
mfsd : 9/17/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15373643 Greg from LI said:
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While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice in it?


While forcing me to listen to Michael Bolton's entire catalogue on repeat all day
RE: can't even blame either guy  
Section331 : 9/17/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15373676 hitdog42 said:
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slayton could have caught it. it was not an easy catch- it was a good throw in the circumstance-
i dont even feel like i can get mad at anyone there other then the result.
both guys gave max effort


That's how I saw it. A terrific throw given the rusher in DJ's face, but it would have been a really good catch, but it's a play good teams make.
RE: Thanks E  
Jints in Carolina : 9/17/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15373643 Greg from LI said:
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While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice in it?


Have fun storming the castle!
Only complaint  
JonC : 9/17/2021 10:33 am : link
is Slayton needs to be running full tilt throughout the route, not hit the gas after the pass is released and he realizes it's gonna be a bit long. If he runs throughout the route, he's there for an easier catch. Young player bad habit.
RE: given  
M.S. : 9/17/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15373678 Eric from BBI said:
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the pass rush in his face, that was a damn good throw.

Absolutely. I think he took a pretty good shot after releasing the ball.
RE: Only complaint  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15373772 JonC said:
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is Slayton needs to be running full tilt throughout the route, not hit the gas after the pass is released and he realizes it's gonna be a bit long. If he runs throughout the route, he's there for an easier catch. Young player bad habit.


Excellent point Jon that I think a lot of us layman fans don't think of.
Slayton had a mediocre game. I just saw that one again and he  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 10:34 am : link
misplayed it. He could have gotten two hands on it. It went off fingertips because he had his hands in wrong spot. Not an easy one but still. He also couldn’t get two feet down on a play we see routinely in the NFL.
and yes, this loss is on the defense  
JonC : 9/17/2021 10:35 am : link
they mostly stunk including Graham. They simply cannot get stops when they need them most, and the caliber of the offense isn't even a factor. That's why you see opposing offenses smiling and having a laugh, because they're eating NYG's lunch out there.
The picture is misleading...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/17/2021 10:35 am : link
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It was a Great pass... - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't know how it's possible to overthrow that  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15373728 DanBenton said:
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Slayton has so much downfield speed.



"You serious, Clark?" Pass rush in his face, makes a throw downfield that hits the receiver IN HIS HANDS. That's way more on Slayton than it is on Jones.



You've got a photo right there showing you it got his fingertips.

Especially with pressure in his face, I'm surprised Jones got that much on it to overthrow a speed WR going full-steam.



Honestly, if this is going to be the absurd argument then maybe we should also criticize Slayton for not getting full arm extension. He's got an inch or two more he could reach out. I mean, it's right there in the picture.


What's absurd about that, honestly? I don't think we're taking into account the difficulty of some of these athletic plays we take for granted from the couch.

Also, why are we taking everything so personally? It was a throw under pressure. It wasn't a perfect throw. And that's okay. I'm just happy they even attempted that play.

If you want to see an example of a perfect drop in the bucket, it's the manningham superbowl catch. That hit Mario in the palms.
RE: I do feel bad for Slayton  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15373693 Greg from LI said:
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That was a tough catch. One he probably should make, but it wasn't routine at all.


Good point. It was a good throw under pressure and a good effort by Slayton, who probably was in those unusual situations where the catch probability was 50/50...
RE: RE: Thanks E  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15373761 mfsd said:
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While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice in it?



While forcing me to listen to Michael Bolton's entire catalogue on repeat all day


Wait for it!

It was a damn good throw  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 10:46 am : link
Slayton needs to come down with that
Pass was plenty good  
JonC : 9/17/2021 10:50 am : link
Slayton needs to go get it and bring it in. RUN!
RE: The picture is misleading...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15373786 Brown_Hornet said:
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... It was a Great pass... - ( New Window )


Thank you. You see that catch made in the NFL all the time. The drops are noteworthy because they are the rarity.
LOL  
BleedBlue : 9/17/2021 10:54 am : link
people are actually putting blame on jones? talk about an agenda. it was a drop plain and simple. he was wide open, jones delivered a catchable football with plenty of air under it. we have seen players catch way more difficult balls than this. its laughable that anyone doesnt want to kick slayton in his nuts this morning. he clearly dropped it and it killed us. a TD there puts us up 10 is a huge momentum swing, and deflates he skins imo
RE: Pass was plenty good  
jvm52106 : 9/17/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15373855 JonC said:
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Slayton needs to go get it and bring it in. RUN!


Speaking of running through- Azeez Oljulari has a horrible habit of stopping in his rush or even out in space and then trying to go again. I saw it multiple times. Young guy or not, he stopped his rush often and then looked to go again but was basically just standing there..

Also, my biggest fear with Leonard Williams is the contract, he now has it and suddenly isn't playing like last year.

RE: LOL  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 10:55 am : link
In comment 15373870 BleedBlue said:
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people are actually putting blame on jones? talk about an agenda. it was a drop plain and simple. he was wide open, jones delivered a catchable football with plenty of air under it. we have seen players catch way more difficult balls than this. its laughable that anyone doesnt want to kick slayton in his nuts this morning. he clearly dropped it and it killed us. a TD there puts us up 10 is a huge momentum swing, and deflates he skins imo
I've been very sour on Jones and I still don't think he's a franchise QB (a few more games like last night and against teams that aren't Washington will change my mind).

But it's incomprehensible to lay the blame at his feet last night.

That was probably the second best game I've ever seen him play (better than his 5 TD game against Washington) -- I'd maybe only put his debut against Tampa above it -- and he really shoulders none of the blame for this loss.

He played great and showed moxie, I hope we keep seeing it and I hope he shuts me the fuck up and makes me look like an idiot for doubting him.

I usually think it's really stupid when people call out Jones detractors for having an "agenda" but in this situation, this morning, after this game, I totally agree with you.
There are WRs that make that play  
Enzo : 9/17/2021 11:12 am : link
and there's QBs that make a better throw in that spot. Maybe a better ofensive line gives Jones time to make a more accurate throw? Maybe we need better players?
good teams overcome misses  
djm : 9/17/2021 11:17 am : link
we have little to no margin for error, thanks to the shit show defense.

This D was supposed to be good. Maybe even very good. Shit some in that building probably expected great. And it's been bad.

The good teams overcome a few drops. This is a just another normal loss for a normally bad team. Don't overstate the closeness of it. We need to accept that this is a bad team that needs to play nearly perfect to beat a mediocre at best opponent.

Someone said it was fun to watch. Really? Uh, no it wasn't. Giant defense is supposed to be the strength in these parts. Instead it's the weakness. That's awful. Fun to watch my ass.
you know what's fun to watch?  
djm : 9/17/2021 11:18 am : link
20-10 NYG win. 23-17 win. God forbid 17-14. That's fun. Then watch the fans bitch because the team is winning ugly, like 2016. We should be so fucking lucky. Where the fuck do I sign up for a 2016 run again. I'd smile throughout the entire playoff loss.
You could feel that this would cost us  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/17/2021 11:23 am : link
Just brutal. Jones’ throw could’ve been a little better but Slayton needs to come down with that.
Eric- Ms BBI  
Dave on the UWS : 9/17/2021 11:35 am : link
my conversation with my wife this morning was just as productive. Had to try not to swear (more than once). She accepted "the defense played like shit". - again
Watch the video…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/17/2021 11:37 am : link
… I would expect anyone of my starting wide receivers(HS)To make that catch.
RE: I don't know how it's possible to overthrow that  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/17/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15373653 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Slayton has so much downfield speed.


Slayton had his head turned for 25 yards. Hard to reach top speed when you are looking behind you.
RE: Watch the video…  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15374027 Brown_Hornet said:
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… I would expect anyone of my starting wide receivers(HS)To make that catch.


Agree, and also Slayton didn't turn on the jets until he saw the pass was coming to him. You can see it clear as day in that video.
Here is the play...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 11:52 am : link
Tell me where Slayton slows down please.

He doesn't.
Slayton - ( New Window )
RE: Here is the play...  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15374088 bw in dc said:
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Tell me where Slayton slows down please.

He doesn't. Slayton - ( New Window )


Looks to me like he kicks it in a higher gear around the 5 yardline. Subtle, but that's what I see.
Sad thing is if Slayton catches it  
PetesHereNow : 9/17/2021 11:55 am : link
Are you totally convinced we win that game?

If he catches it and Gano makes PAT, 30-20 6:20 left. Defense blew a 10
pt. lead in a similar time frame last season at Philly.

No guarantee we still don’t lose 34-30 or something like that.
RE: RE: Here is the play...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15374096 crick n NC said:
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Tell me where Slayton slows down please.

He doesn't. Slayton - ( New Window )



Looks to me like he kicks it in a higher gear around the 5 yardline. Subtle, but that's what I see.


Slayton never slows down at all in the route.
I got a lot of heat from posters last night  
GNewGiants : 9/17/2021 12:01 pm : link
but that picture clearly shows it wasnt a "drop", it is an extremely difficult catch. Maybe he catches it a handful of times but it definitely wasnt a gimme like the announcers seem to be.

The ball hit his fingers/fingertips and never hit his hands. Going full speed nearly 50 yards downfield? I have a hard time blaming anyone. Maybe Slayton could have dove? Extended further? Not sure.

Engrams pass last year hit both his hands - I find it not nearly the same situation.
RE: RE: RE: Here is the play...  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15374116 bw in dc said:
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Tell me where Slayton slows down please.

He doesn't. Slayton - ( New Window )



Looks to me like he kicks it in a higher gear around the 5 yardline. Subtle, but that's what I see.



Slayton never slows down at all in the route.


He looks like he speeds up at the 5. It's how I see it.
RE: There are WRs that make that play  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15373935 Enzo said:
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and there's QBs that make a better throw in that spot. Maybe a better ofensive line gives Jones time to make a more accurate throw? Maybe we need better players?


More time? Jones has three seconds to throw the ball. He even stepped into the pocket.

It was a good ball. It could have had a bit more air, but it was catchable. Slayton gave it a good effort. He just got into one of those situations where it was a 50/50 ball...right on the very edge of his catching radius.
RE: RE: RE: Here is the play...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15374116 bw in dc said:
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Tell me where Slayton slows down please.

He doesn't. Slayton - ( New Window )



Looks to me like he kicks it in a higher gear around the 5 yardline. Subtle, but that's what I see.



Slayton never slows down at all in the route.


I don't think anyone said he slowed down. They (and I) pointed out that he didn't run all-out until after he knew the ball was coming to him.
Two observations  
ChicagoMarty : 9/17/2021 12:29 pm : link
1. I thought it was a line drive pass that could only have been caught if Slayton laid out full extension and that would have made it difficult to hang onto the ball when he hit the ground.
2. If Jones had to do it over again or if he had another nanosecond I think he would have put some air under the pass, in other words, lofted it more since no one else was in the vicinity and only Slayton could have gotten to it.
RE: Two observations  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15374189 ChicagoMarty said:
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1. I thought it was a line drive pass that could only have been caught if Slayton laid out full extension and that would have made it difficult to hang onto the ball when he hit the ground.
2. If Jones had to do it over again or if he had another nanosecond I think he would have put some air under the pass, in other words, lofted it more since no one else was in the vicinity and only Slayton could have gotten to it.


I agree with #2. The pass needed a touch more air and then it's a guaranteed six. More similar to the pass Carr threw Monday night in overtime to Jones for the game winner.

The coverage was so blown by WFT - probably Landon Collins, a horrible pass defender - that I think it actually threw the timing off by just a fraction...
Just watching the replay…  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2021 12:50 pm : link
Seems to me like Jones didn’t make a good enough throw. I don’t absolve Slayton, I think he could have laid out but it was always going to be a tough catch. Remember too, Slayton was the 171 overall and Jones was the 6. Even an under thrown ball there would have worked. Just not good enough. By either player. But putting this all on the Slaymaker is a mistake. A better QB makes a better throw.
Here is a question  
ChicagoMarty : 9/17/2021 1:02 pm : link
Would Golladay have made that catch?
What makes the Slayton "drop" so much worse  
kelsto811 : 9/17/2021 1:10 pm : link
Is the following Washington drive..Tyler fucking Heinecke throws one out of reach of a fairly no name WR in Donovan Peoples-Jones and the dude does a 360 whirling dirvish/pirhouette in the back of the endzlne and catches the ball with a defender standing on his face, then still manages to get his tippy toes in and maintain posession.

It's the Giants way to have our guy drop one off his fingertips when no one is within 20 yards and then 3 min later their guy makes a spinning circus catch with a defender on his nuts.
Ball has to be caught  
rocco8112 : 9/17/2021 1:32 pm : link
period

jvm  
JonC : 9/17/2021 2:11 pm : link
I honestly don't know what the scouts look for in their Edge players. Ojulari's probably the most talented of a below average bunch, and he's got some tools and time to grow. But, I saw the standing around and not pursuing the ball too. None of them do anything particularly well, which makes it damned difficult to build a legit, playoff caliber 3-4 base scheme.
He screwed  
mittenedman : 9/17/2021 2:38 pm : link
up that sideline catch, too. Jones put that ball right in there. If you watch Slayton's footwork, he totally misplays it.
RE: Here is a question  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15374293 ChicagoMarty said:
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Would Golladay have made that catch?


With his catching radius, I think so.

Although his speed may still be a bit compromised by the hamstring...
slightly overthrown by inches...  
BillKo : 9/17/2021 3:20 pm : link
...he tried to reach and catch maybe rather than dive for it...different WRs have different styles really.

I don't think he slowed down either.
RE: Only complaint  
section125 : 9/17/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15373772 JonC said:
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is Slayton needs to be running full tilt throughout the route, not hit the gas after the pass is released and he realizes it's gonna be a bit long. If he runs throughout the route, he's there for an easier catch. Young player bad habit.


This is true, he realizes at about the 15 yard line he needs to go - you can see it..
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