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Dalvin Tomlinson's replacements

TroutMan : 9/17/2021 10:19 am
Really tired of this drill: A 2nd round draft pick Defensive Tackle's rookie contract is up. You know what that means. It's time to cut bait with our number #2 DT and draft another one in the second round.

Oh wait we didn't do that this year. This year they cut bait and hired castaway scrubs.

WhooHoo! That's progress, right?
I was saying all night  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/17/2021 10:24 am : link
On the game thread as Washington was gashing them !!

NYGs approach to the DT position is mind boggling.  
japanhead : 9/17/2021 10:33 am : link
Tomlinson didn't even get that much money. Could have easily been retained. You think they'd've learned after letting Cofield and Linval walk.
He  
Toth029 : 9/17/2021 10:34 am : link
Was a good player but not worth $10M per year.
It was a straight trade  
BillT : 9/17/2021 10:59 am : link
Both Tomlinson and Adoree Jackson have almost identical $6m cap hits. Your choice. Who do you want.
RE: It was a straight trade  
Enzo : 9/17/2021 11:06 am : link
In comment 15373889 BillT said:
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Both Tomlinson and Adoree Jackson have almost identical $6m cap hits. Your choice. Who do you want.

Who do I want? How about a better GM who didn't fuck up the cap to the point we couldn't afford both?
RE: He  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15373779 Toth029 said:
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Was a good player but not worth $10M per year.


He is better than Blake Martinez. And how did Bradbury and Jacksonnlook last night?
Most here said it was  
compton : 9/17/2021 11:36 am : link
no big lost losing DT because his production can be easily reproduced. But that is not proving to be true so far.
RE: RE: It was a straight trade  
BillT : 9/17/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15373913 Enzo said:
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In comment 15373889 BillT said:


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Both Tomlinson and Adoree Jackson have almost identical $6m cap hits. Your choice. Who do you want.


Who do I want? How about a better GM who didn't fuck up the cap to the point we couldn't afford both?

The cap shrunk because of COVID. No one could have or did plan for that. And they had a great FA signing period in spite of that.
I wanted Tomlinson to stay and Engram gone.  
Red Dog : 9/17/2021 12:02 pm : link
THAT makes sense. What they did does not. And it has showed in the two games so far this season.
RE: I wanted Tomlinson to stay and Engram gone.  
BillT : 9/17/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15374125 Red Dog said:
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THAT makes sense. What they did does not. And it has showed in the two games so far this season.

Now this is a good thought. I wanted Engram gone as well and that would have paid for Tomlinson.
The Giants are weird  
djm : 9/17/2021 12:26 pm : link
not that I killed them for losing Tomlinson, once they signed Jackson I was kind of ok with letting him walk, but we really need to just accept and acknowledge this stain of a franchise for what they are.

The Giants are weird. Bad weird. I have no doubt that Mara has some fuct up, warped viewpoints when it comes to football. He makes moves for all the wrong reasons and when he needs to make a move he makes the wrong one.

Does anyone doubt that one day we might learn that Belichick wanted to come back here sometime over the last decade and Mara said no? Just wait for that gem to surface when the bodies are buried. Just wait. Mara is a fucking weirdo owner.
RE: It was a straight trade  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15373889 BillT said:
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Both Tomlinson and Adoree Jackson have almost identical $6m cap hits. Your choice. Who do you want.


That’s what’s being lost. DG goes out and gets the players the DC wants and the scheme stays exactly the same. Mind boggled. How about the DC calls games like we just bought him his second corner he wanted. The players aren’t the problem right now.
RE: Most here said it was  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15374026 compton said:
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no big lost losing DT because his production can be easily reproduced. But that is not proving to be true so far.


And that falls on Graham.
RE: RE: RE: It was a straight trade  
Enzo : 9/17/2021 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15374053 BillT said:
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In comment 15373889 BillT said:


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Both Tomlinson and Adoree Jackson have almost identical $6m cap hits. Your choice. Who do you want.


Who do I want? How about a better GM who didn't fuck up the cap to the point we couldn't afford both?


The cap shrunk because of COVID. No one could have or did plan for that. And they had a great FA signing period in spite of that.

you don't have to look very far into the past to see various moves by DG that negatively affected our cap space this year. The point is - they could have had more cap space.
Tomlinson is not the reason Bradbury's gotten spun around  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 1:40 pm : link
for two weeks. It's not the reason we're playing 15-20 yards off coverage zones after the DC made a big deal about not having man cover corners he needs. Tomlinson's not the reason the defense gave up a touchdown in two plays last night, or the reason Teddy Bridgewater pitched a perfect game.

I was crowing about keeping tomlinson in the offseason, so I'm a fan, but this isn't simply a case of "Player _ isn't here anymore, he must have been invaluable".

Coaches are doing a poor job, and defensive leaders are not producing to their salaries.
from the other thread  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2021 1:43 pm : link
RE: Tell me you wouldn't rather
UConn4523 : 9:38 am : link : reply
In comment 15373477 WillieYoung said:
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have Dalvin and cap space instead of our expensive new corner.


If we aren't going to play man, then sure.

Everyone will point to Dalvin Tomlison as the 2020 savior of the defense but in reality its the coverage sacks that hit last year vs. the lack of them so far this year. And if we had Tomlinson we'd still likely have a gaping hols at CB2 so we'd be giving up points just the same.
and with Dalvin Tomlinson last year
UConn4523 : 9:42 am : link : reply
we let up 27ppg and 123 rushing yards per game through our 1st 3 games of the season. Some food for thought.
This model  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 1:45 pm : link
actually kind of works for us. For whatever reason the Giants are incredibly good at drafting decent DTs in the 2nd round. And you can't pay everybody.

The problem, as others have stated, is that Gettleman has zero attention to detail and his comical mismanagement of the roster tied up our cap space. Think about it - we suck, we basically have no good players, and we have a rookie scale QB - and we're still tight against the cap. It's really remarkable.
RE: This model  
Enzo : 9/17/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15374399 Jerry in_DC said:
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actually kind of works for us. For whatever reason the Giants are incredibly good at drafting decent DTs in the 2nd round. And you can't pay everybody.

but at some point you have to add to your core players instead of replacing them. And expending a 2nd rounder every couple of years is not an insignificant use of resources.
You won't find me  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 3:12 pm : link
defending anything about this front office, and I've probably put more thought into it than Gettleman just by writing this post.

But I think there could be something to the concept. If you believe that run stopping DT is a lower value skill that is easier to replace, then it might be wise to cycle through them. Doing this with RBs is obvious and there are probably other places where it makes sense.


Of course this iteration of the Giants should have had enough cap space to keep Tomlinson but DG pays zero attention to detail, so here we are
Pay $10MM/per for a nose tackle  
WillieYoung : 9/17/2021 3:19 pm : link
and you get a top 5 player in the league. Pay $10MM for a CB and you get someone who was cut by the team that drafted him.
 
christian : 9/17/2021 3:23 pm : link
Danny Shelton is booty.
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