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Patrick Graham is the "Black Picasso" and a "genius"

Mike from SI : 9/17/2021 11:14 am
Ten days ago Sports Illustrated posted the linked article entitled "Patrick Graham Is Creating A Defensive Masterpiece." The article refers to him as the Black Picasso and a player calls him a genius.

His defensive masterpiece just gave up 30 points to a backup QB. The media hype of this coaching staff is beyond ridiculous.
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more like the black  
Enzo : 9/17/2021 11:15 am : link
Bill Sheridan.
Black Tim Lewis  
penkap75 : 9/17/2021 11:16 am : link
.
To be fair to Graham, when he was asked about this nickname  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 11:16 am : link
he thought it was nonsense and also pointed out how Baltimore kicked his ass last year.
Tom Rock  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 11:17 am : link
Patrick Graham rolls his eyes at his "Black Picasso" nickname for painting masterpiece ganeplans.

"Ask Coach (Greg) Roman in Baltimore. He's probably like 'What the hell are they talking about? Seventy points in two years.'"
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Yeah  
Mike from SI : 9/17/2021 11:18 am : link
my point was "the media hype of this coaching staff is beyond ridiculous." We've all been focusing on Judge, but it goes for Patrick Graham as well.
His defense got it's ass kicked by a backup last night on  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/17/2021 11:19 am : link
national television.
I wonder why Miami was so eager  
Metnut : 9/17/2021 11:22 am : link
to let him leave. Usually teams don’t let good coordinators make lateral moves.
man, did that article ever age poorly  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 11:23 am : link
And in record time, too.
Our defense  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 11:27 am : link
is not really that good. We have 1, maybe 2 good, but not great DLs. We have 1 good CB. Everyone else is around league average or worse. I never understood why people think this D is supposed to be so great
RE: I wonder why Miami was so eager  
Platos : 9/17/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15373970 Metnut said:
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to let him leave. Usually teams don’t let good coordinators make lateral moves.


miami has been a carousel of assistants under flores overall.
Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
j_rud : 9/17/2021 11:31 am : link
you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at
Why reference the man's race  
compton : 9/17/2021 11:31 am : link
Why not just "Picasso"
Not making excuses for PG  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2021 11:33 am : link
But the D is composed of overpaid veteran imports: Leonard, Bradbury, Jackson, Martinez, Ryan.

There is no homegrown core. Defenses like that rarely age well or sustain a high level of play.
Black Perry Fewell?  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2021 11:34 am : link
I’m trying to remember the last time I saw two such utter and total dog shit games by the Giants defense in a row. Last night was an embarrassing disgrace. Pathetic.
RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
family progtitioner : 9/17/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15374001 j_rud said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at


LOL. Especially that goal line formation. It was definitely surreal
RE: Not making excuses for PG  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15374009 Vanzetti said:
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But the D is composed of overpaid veteran imports: Leonard, Bradbury, Jackson, Martinez, Ryan.

There is no homegrown core. Defenses like that rarely age well or sustain a high level of play.


It's actually kind of funny - many people groused from 2017 on about how the 2016 defense wasn't built for the long haul, and then fulsomely praised the 2020 defense. And, now, the 2121 defense is starting to look an awful lot like the 2017 defense.
RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15374001 j_rud said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at


If this was Reddit I'd upvote the hell out of this post.
RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15374001 j_rud said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at


No, really, this IS a defense!



They might as well have just put up an exit ramp with an arrow - TOUCHDOWN, THIS EXIT
RE: RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/17/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15374018 family progtitioner said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at



LOL. Especially that goal line formation. It was definitely surreal


I think if the reference is about being Picasso, cubist would be a better term. Or maybe it would be from his blue period.
You can’t blame him for what others call him  
BillT : 9/17/2021 11:40 am : link
Come on. And who cares about media hype. Hyping is what they do for a living.
Never seen a goal line set like that in any football game  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2021 11:40 am : link
Ever. Totally fucking bizarre.
That  
Toth029 : 9/17/2021 11:41 am : link
Image has Leo in the middle, Azeez on the edge. And no other DL. Why?
RE: RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15374032 Greg from LI said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at



No, really, this IS a defense!



They might as well have just put up an exit ramp with an arrow - TOUCHDOWN, THIS EXIT


Maybe Graham forgot that there's a thing called an audible?
RE: That  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15374046 Toth029 said:
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Image has Leo in the middle, Azeez on the edge. And no other DL. Why?


Reverse psychology obviously.
It reminds me of the sets Tim Lewis ran in that Colts game  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 11:44 am : link
way back when, where he was determined to try to slow down Peyton and the passing game, and the Colts just shrugged and ran the ball down the Giants' throats all night long.
RE: RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
Ron Johnson : 9/17/2021 11:46 am : link
In comment 15374032 Greg from LI said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at



No, really, this IS a defense!



They might as well have just put up an exit ramp with an arrow - TOUCHDOWN, THIS EXIT


The LG injure his neck on that play ..... straining to find someone to block.
What "period" is Graham in .....?  
short lease : 9/17/2021 11:50 am : link

Feels like a "blue" period. Not a Giants' Blue ... Blue in a depressing sense.

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Actual quote from another thread  
widmerseyebrow : 9/17/2021 11:54 am : link
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Owners need to give Graham some shares or something...get creative so we don't lose him.


I guess giving Graham partial ownership wouldn't make things much worse in that department, so there's that.
RE: RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
Bear vs Shark : 9/17/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15374032 Greg from LI said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at



No, really, this IS a defense!



They might as well have just put up an exit ramp with an arrow - TOUCHDOWN, THIS EXIT
One of the more baffling and idiotic things in this game that isn't getting enough press
I think most people saw Graham in a positive light coming in  
widmerseyebrow : 9/17/2021 11:56 am : link
but it just goes to show how starved for success we and seemingly the front office are.
RE: I think most people saw Graham in a positive light coming in  
crick n NC : 9/17/2021 11:57 am : link
In comment 15374104 widmerseyebrow said:
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but it just goes to show how starved for success we and seemingly the front office are.


I think he did do a good job last year and fans saw that. The giants then added more talent to the defense so fans, rightfully so had higher expectations.
RE: RE: Picasso is appropriate in the sense that  
lecky : 9/17/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15374032 Greg from LI said:
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you can tell me that's supposed to be a defense, but I'll be damned if I know what I'm looking at



No, really, this IS a defense!



They might as well have just put up an exit ramp with an arrow - TOUCHDOWN, THIS EXIT


In golf this is what they cal a gimme!!
Worse call - that goal line defense  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 12:02 pm : link
Or this?



Got very similar vibes from it
We have  
cjac : 9/17/2021 12:02 pm : link
A defensive coordinator that went to Harvard

An offensive coordinator that went to Princeton

A QB who turned down Princeton to go to Duke

And they’re all dummies

dammit  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2021 12:02 pm : link
The only way that makes sense is if you loop blitz Martinez  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:13 pm : link
And blitz the safety there baiting them to run that. I don’t think that happened.
RE: Our defense  
FranknWeezer : 9/17/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15373986 Jerry in_DC said:
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is not really that good. We have 1, maybe 2 good, but not great DLs. We have 1 good CB. Everyone else is around league average or worse. I never understood why people think this D is supposed to be so great


Last night's performance in the secondary seemed more about a problem with scheme than execution, to my eyes. Just entirely too soft, too much zone, etc. And it wasn't helped by the lack of generating a pass rush (which could be both schematic and performance-related).
RE: RE: Not making excuses for PG  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15374019 Greg from LI said:
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But the D is composed of overpaid veteran imports: Leonard, Bradbury, Jackson, Martinez, Ryan.

There is no homegrown core. Defenses like that rarely age well or sustain a high level of play.



It's actually kind of funny - many people groused from 2017 on about how the 2016 defense wasn't built for the long haul, and then fulsomely praised the 2020 defense. And, now, the 2121 defense is starting to look an awful lot like the 2017 defense.


It’s not the players though, it’s the scheme. If we wanted to run it like this might as well signed Dalvin and saved the dollars on Adoree. Graham is a one trick pony.

“Wants to play more man”. Well the problem is even when he does our safeties and corners give giant cushions. What the hell is the point of signing all these secondary pieces when you act terrified of the other teams weapons? Especially against two QBs in a row that struggle to get the ball downfield.
RE: We have  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15374127 cjac said:
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A defensive coordinator that went to Harvard

An offensive coordinator that went to Princeton

A QB who turned down Princeton to go to Duke

And they’re all dummies


Graham went to Yale. Had he gone to Harvard we probably win last night... ;)
This is what  
Pete in MD : 9/17/2021 12:44 pm : link
happens when ownership is involved in football. Just like CHis Mara. Can they buy back Graham's shares?
The over stacked line  
Crazed Dogs : 9/17/2021 12:45 pm : link
leaving a gaping gap on the 3rd and short inside the 5 was just ridiculous.....

The soft zone is clearly not working.

This defense can't get off the field, suck on 3rd down defense and short yardage defense.

They always give up points late at the half and can't ever get a stop when they need it.

Boy do I miss the days of those Parcells teams with the great Defense.
Maybe Black Picasso  
Pete in MD : 9/17/2021 12:46 pm : link
is just going through his shit-brown period?
The point of this thread  
Mike from SI : 9/17/2021 12:52 pm : link
is not necessarily that Patrick Graham should be responsible for what people say about him. The point is that the media hypes these guys up and people on this site lap it up. The media does not always hype everyone up: look at the way they cover the Knicks and Mets, for instance. This article is embarrassing for the author, it's embarrassing for Graham, and it's embarrassing for the team.
Can someone explain to me  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2021 12:57 pm : link
Why we were playing so off the WRs last night?
The question I will ask again  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2021 1:30 pm : link
is this who Graham is or is it how Judge wants him to play?

I think Judge want to play the game safe. Don't be afraid to give up yardage and hope for a mistake and count on giving up FG's rather than TD's. Essentially he has little confidence in his offenses ability to score.
RE: Can someone explain to me  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15374282 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Why we were playing so off the WRs last night?


Graham just refuses to adjust. I get it, they have some nice WRs/TE/Backs, but we are supposed to have a damn good secondary. Even when we play man we give giant cushions. Let these weaker armed QBs try to beat you down the field, watching this in back to back weeks was maddening. WFT is like a carbon copy of the Broncos with Heineke and Bridgewater under center and where the talent lies.
RE: Can someone explain to me  
bw in dc : 9/17/2021 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15374282 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Why we were playing so off the WRs last night?


We pressed more in the second half, especially in the 4th. But it's a good question.

With all of the money tied up in Bradberry and Jackson, we should be bumping/jamming on the majority of the plays, IMV.
He's as bad as JG  
gmen4ever : 9/17/2021 4:50 pm : link
Last week and this we were dissected in the secondary. Like not part of the game, the entire game.
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