Didn't see anything on this via search. Accrding to CBS.com, Toney came off the field in the 3rd Qtr. and had an animated discussion with JJ before storming off and sitting apart from his team mates. He didnt re enter the game afterwards. He then posted that “shit be lame to me” on Instagram after the game. Doesn't sound like he’s a happy camper.
well done
The Giants liked him enough to draft him at #20. He played 17 plays and he didn't touch the ball once. It is perplexing.
he's not an incredible talent. He's a gadget receiver. If we were going for a WR, Bateman was the obvious choice.
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I don't like players taking shit like this public (especially rookies, and I can't stand diva WRs), but I am as confused as he is by his usage.
The Giants liked him enough to draft him at #20. He played 17 plays and he didn't touch the ball once. It is perplexing.
he's not an incredible talent. He's a gadget receiver. If we were going for a WR, Bateman was the obvious choice.
I watched a lot of him in college. He is quite talented. Being a gadget WR and being talented are not mutually exclusive.
Whether the Giants/Garrett use him right remains to be seen, as to whether he develops or not.
Bateman is on IR. Fans would be bitching about him too.
I agree with those who would have gone Paye. I wanted Paye/Darrisaw.
But it is perplexing that they didn't use him at all. WTF did they draft him for. A gadget guy like that can still get a few touches even if he missed camp. And if he's not ready for touches, why are you even playing him at all at this point?
I have been around a lot of players and coaches. I won't side with Toney but a lot of times these type of blowups stem from a lack of respect Judge needs to win games fast imv.
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I don't like players taking shit like this public (especially rookies, and I can't stand diva WRs), but I am as confused as he is by his usage.
The Giants liked him enough to draft him at #20. He played 17 plays and he didn't touch the ball once. It is perplexing.
he's not an incredible talent. He's a gadget receiver. If we were going for a WR, Bateman was the obvious choice.
I watched a lot of him in college. He is quite talented. Being a gadget WR and being talented are not mutually exclusive.
Whether the Giants/Garrett use him right remains to be seen, as to whether he develops or not.
Bateman is on IR. Fans would be bitching about him too.
I agree with those who would have gone Paye. I wanted Paye/Darrisaw.
But it is perplexing that they didn't use him at all. WTF did they draft him for. A gadget guy like that can still get a few touches even if he missed camp. And if he's not ready for touches, why are you even playing him at all at this point?
Bateman is a complete WR and will be a factor for the Ravens. Toney never put together a whole season of solid production. But I agree with you, I would have drafted Darrisaw or Paye or traded back again.
I really think using him as a RB with the RPO's could be effective. Even Jones continues to pull it 93% of the time
Agreed, this looks like a horrible pick right now. There were so many other directions they could have gone with that pick. Whenever a player is drafted in the first round and they indicate that the player is still learning his position it is concerning to me. Especially a WR. First rounders should be close to finished products.
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that Dyami Brown was all over the field last night. A third round pick. Toney should have gone in the third round as well. Gettleman and Jints Central reaches are almost as bad as Mayock and the Raiders.
Agreed, this looks like a horrible pick right now. There were so many other directions they could have gone with that pick. Whenever a player is drafted in the first round and they indicate that the player is still learning his position it is concerning to me. Especially a WR. First rounders should be close to finished products.
Or the athleticism has to be off the charts, like JPP. Rondale Moore went in the 2nd round and was rated higher by most experts than Toney. Plus Rondale is faster with a better vert. Honestly, the Toney pick was a head scratcher. Too high a pick. They should have waited on WR. They would have gotten better value in the draft.
If true, and he decided to keep it on his own that could explain him not getting touches this week.
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that Dyami Brown was all over the field last night. A third round pick. Toney should have gone in the third round as well. Gettleman and Jints Central reaches are almost as bad as Mayock and the Raiders.
Agreed, this looks like a horrible pick right now. There were so many other directions they could have gone with that pick. Whenever a player is drafted in the first round and they indicate that the player is still learning his position it is concerning to me. Especially a WR. First rounders should be close to finished products.
Or the athleticism has to be off the charts, like JPP. Rondale Moore went in the 2nd round and was rated higher by most experts than Toney. Plus Rondale is faster with a better vert. Honestly, the Toney pick was a head scratcher. Too high a pick. They should have waited on WR. They would have gotten better value in the draft.
It really was a strange pick. I liked the two trades down. I thought it made a ton of sense once Smith was off the board. But all of that movement to draft a player who was projected by most to go in round 2? It just seemed odd. The tackle breaking ability you see in his college tape is unique, but all of the drops at the senior bowl practices, etc. were concerning and more or less confirmed that he was not close to being a polished receiver.
I had to look away when they started showing the Smith highlights last week because he’s looking like the exact player I thought he was going to be. Smooth, excellent route runner, fast, dynamic. Cowboys really screwed us with that trade. Now we have a guy who looks like Lil Wayne and OBJ combined with a matching attitude.
Barkley can’t run left and can’t run up the middle.
The fact that after two games Toney has 2 catches for -2 yards is sad. He’s not some developmental 5th round pick.
Also note that Toney had 1 season with over 25 catches, his Sr campaign where had 70. Sterling Shepherd by comparison notched 4 excellent campaigns for another big-time program when he came out ( his sr season was better than Toney’s sr season, too) and was picked in the 2nd.
The Toney pick kind of felt like that to me.
This is exactly what I thought. The Giants were not prepared for the draft properly. In fact, one of our resident experts let drop that they expected Vera-Tucker to be there at 20 and were taken by surprise when he was taken.
Good to see you posting again, Jerry.
Seems like the culture and mental focus of the team is pretty much the same as when McAdoo was here.
The guy may not know the offense. He may not understand the audible calls. He may not be running the correct routes. He may have violated team rules.
There are a myriad of reasons that COULD apply here but nobody outside of the locker room knows.
The only think that we can be sure if is this... based upon the way the guy speaks, it was a waste of a college education
Mara is lame, Gettleman is lamer. The league passed them by about a decade ago.
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when you're in a fantasy draft and you're only sort of paying attention and the 3 guys you were looking at just got picked? Then you're on the clock and scrambling through the list. And time is running out....and uhh... how about Chase Claypool... he's still available right?
The Toney pick kind of felt like that to me.
This is exactly what I thought. The Giants were not prepared for the draft properly. In fact, one of our resident experts let drop that they expected Vera-Tucker to be there at 20 and were taken by surprise when he was taken.
Good to see you posting again, Jerry.
This is a great analogy. It really did feel that way draft night.
(hopefully this situation turns around fast)
We have one already - Shepard (who might be Pro Bowl this year)
He's not an "X" - That's Slayton
He's not a big Possession - That's Galladay
I know he's not happy, but that's what he is right now - bench rider
He's not a bad dude, dumb dude, or bad player.
He just has bad judgement.
Nothing should be off the table when it comes to accumulating future picks. This whole thing is going to be blown up soon anyway.
Brutal.
So you have a pretty slow possession WR with some really good shake moves. Those moves are indeed impressive, but the only evidence we have of them working is at the NCAA level. Will they work in the NFL? So how do you scout this key part of the analysis of Toney? Do you look at only Gators footage of him escaping from high level NCAA players who are pro prospects? That had to be done carefully and there are almost certainly sample size problems. Meanwhile, he’s like the 20th rated prospect or something and may not be getting the targeted focus a pick like that should receive.
Let’s hope I’m all wet about this, but boy is this a risky pick before you even get to this guy’s behavior.
Nothing should be off the table when it comes to accumulating future picks. This whole thing is going to be blown up soon anyway.
Forgot about this angle - good point.
If you can’t make a trade, like I wrote earlier, you have to seriously consider cutting KT. Too much noise and I don’t see enough production on the horizon to justify the noise.
Number one — go home, call the police, lock the door
Number two — if you think you do got to get down, what the hell are you going to do with an air rifle?