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Blame the coach vs. blame the player

UberAlias : 9/17/2021 11:36 am
I know most here are going to disagree (and I'll probably get ripped for challenging the views of the mob), but I strongly disagree that the offsides was on Judge. The head coach impacts things more broadly than that. If a team is committing penalty after penalty, you have to point to the coach to clean that up. But in the case of an individual player being offsides in a specific play --that's on the player.

The coach is not the one out there on the field --the players are. The coach can't influence things so targeted. That's my opinion, but people want some to take fall for their frustrations, so fire away if you chose. I suppose if a team never practices or emphasizes being smart in critical situations, that would be on the coach. I HIGHLY doubt that is the case here. Fire away.
the offsides was not on Judge  
KDavies : 9/17/2021 11:39 am : link
these are grown men. They have to take responsibility for stupid mistakes.

That said, the Giants shouldn't have been in a position to where a FG could win it. After the Bradberry interception, the Giants coached a terrible game. They coached to not lose, which often results in losing.
How about blaming both?  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2021 11:40 am : link
Along with the Olde Joka who brought in both the coaches and the players.
RE: How about blaming both?  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15374042 Vanzetti said:
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Along with the Olde Joka who brought in both the coaches and the players.


Olde. Ha! How about Invisible Joka? Where’s Da’ Joka? Getty’s Joka? Maybe, Fuckn’ Joka?
RE: How about blaming both?  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/17/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15374042 Vanzetti said:
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Along with the Olde Joka who brought in both the coaches and the players.


And let's not forget the architect of it all- John Mara.
Blame is judge  
Giants73 : 9/17/2021 11:55 am : link
Adds nothing to the table but discipline and special teams. And both suck outside of Gano, and highly doubt he taught him how to kick.
The coaches cost us game with decisions after INT  
George from PA : 9/17/2021 11:59 am : link
The fact that a player error on special teams was final straw


Is more poetic justice.

Both games squarely on the coaches

Not putting playing in best position to be successful

Playing not to lose



RE: The coaches cost us game with decisions after INT  
Debaser : 9/17/2021 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15374113 George from PA said:
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The fact that a player error on special teams was final straw


Is more poetic justice.

Both games squarely on the coaches

Not putting playing in best position to be successful

Playing not to lose




What did you guys want them to do there? I think Barkley is like partly to blame and don’t me this injury shit. He has been playing like he doesn’t want to run tough now for like 3 years. Yes he can break one but if that were Brandon Jacobs he would have just loved the idea of someone trying to stop him there and just smashing through for a minimum 3 yard gain.

It’s like every play has to Jones rolling out; jones doing rpo or Barkley in the flat to break tackles. Guess what? That is only good once in awhile to fool a defense and you keep running it and it is going to result in chase young tackling Someone in the backfield for a 6 yard loss
And don’t get me wrong  
Debaser : 9/17/2021 12:27 pm : link
I am convinced judge is not nfl hc material not because he didn’t go for it
On 4th down which would’ve been ridiculous but because he so preoccupied with using all his time outs than stopping henieki or figuring out a way to win
Totally disagree, it should have been beat into their heads  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2021 12:32 pm : link
not to jump. Judge probably was hyping these guys up for the block to show what a special teams genius he is. In that situation you bring token pressure. It’s 47 yards on a wet grass field. Just because Gano was making it look easy doesn’t mean it is. You fucked up and then kept doubling down on mistakes.

Is there any evidence in that game we had good coaching? Awful game management, guys confused all over the place, and penalties coming out of timeouts. Gross
Patrick Graham  
Giants : 9/17/2021 12:34 pm : link
play calling in the first two games has been horrible.
I Don't Think Anyone is Actually Blaming Judge...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/17/2021 12:34 pm : link
for Dex being offsides. I just think in the frustration of the moment, some posters were pointing out the irony that we lost the game on a botched special teams play, when we have a "Special Teams HC".
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