Thinking ahead here with the Giants and Bears if they finish 1 and 2 draft order. What would Giants do in this situation.
First thought: I am guessing if Jones can average 21 points the rest of this season per game this season his job would be safe because that would mean the soft zone defense crap killed the team this year and it wasn't jones. Also, there isn't a College QB worthy of top 10 pick this year IMO.
Second Thought: I am guessing giants would go DL and OT with those picks in lieu of how the defense played against powerhouse Old Dominion qb and this is a harboring of things to come.
Third Thought. We find our next Kerry Collins in FA to play QB and draft DL and OT with those top two picks.
Fourth Thought" We trade the picks for a huge package on offense and defense whether is draft picks and players or something else.
Fifth thought: Trade one of the high no 1 draft picks for a current winning Head coach like Sean Payton or Sean Mcvie. Give them GM responsibilities to entice them to come here.
the D guy from Oregon
the D guy from Oregon
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Assuming Jones isnt the answer- isnt that we just did with him in 2019? Why make the same mistake twice?
Spencer Rattler would probably be one of those two picks but it's too early in the CFB season to tell.
If the staff somehow isn't turned over, then I agree with the posters above that you got OT/DE from Bama and Oregon or even double up and go Evan Neal and Kenyon Green and really make an effort to solidify this OL for the next 5-7 years.
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Assuming Jones isnt the answer- isnt that we just did with him in 2019? Why make the same mistake twice?
The game within the game in the NFL is to acquire an elite QB by any means necessary. Andy Reid knew it when he took Mahomes, even though he had a solid vet. Shanny Jr knew it when he traded up to get Lance, even though he had a QB who took him to a Super Bowl. If we don't learn that lesson, the pain will continue for another decade. We don't have an elite QB yet with Jones. Without one of the elite 8 to 10, you have almost no shot to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL. This is game theory.
the D guy from Oregon
Yep, would be the two easiest selections of all time.
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Assuming Jones isnt the answer- isnt that we just did with him in 2019? Why make the same mistake twice?
The game within the game in the NFL is to acquire an elite QB by any means necessary. Andy Reid knew it when he took Mahomes, even though he had a solid vet. Shanny Jr knew it when he traded up to get Lance, even though he had a QB who took him to a Super Bowl. If we don't learn that lesson, the pain will continue for another decade. We don't have an elite QB yet with Jones. Without one of the elite 8 to 10, you have almost no shot to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL. This is game theory.
But the Qbs in this year crop arent sure fire picks. Lot of questions with all of them.
You take the QB when he is there for you. You don't wait. Buffalo liked Allen, even though they were an incomplete team, and they took him. Likewise, the Ravens spent a first on Lamar even though they had a vet in place.
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Assuming they are still ranked where they are now come April. They mentioned it on the broadcast yesterday, but the way you build a successful team is to look at what Buffalo and Baltimore did. You build the offensive and defensive lines, then find the QB that fits what you are looking to accomplish.
You take the QB when he is there for you. You don't wait. Buffalo liked Allen, even though they were an incomplete team, and they took him. Likewise, the Ravens spent a first on Lamar even though they had a vet in place.
You know Baltimore took a TE before taking Lamar, right?>
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Assuming Jones isnt the answer- isnt that we just did with him in 2019? Why make the same mistake twice?
The game within the game in the NFL is to acquire an elite QB by any means necessary. Andy Reid knew it when he took Mahomes, even though he had a solid vet. Shanny Jr knew it when he traded up to get Lance, even though he had a QB who took him to a Super Bowl. If we don't learn that lesson, the pain will continue for another decade. We don't have an elite QB yet with Jones. Without one of the elite 8 to 10, you have almost no shot to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL. This is game theory.
But the Qbs in this year crop arent sure fire picks. Lot of questions with all of them.
well let's see how they rate out by end of the year. The Sporting News has QBs at 3, 4 and 5 (Rattler-Willis-Howell). If they suck, then we may need to sign or trade for a vet (Rodgers/Watson?).
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Assuming they are still ranked where they are now come April. They mentioned it on the broadcast yesterday, but the way you build a successful team is to look at what Buffalo and Baltimore did. You build the offensive and defensive lines, then find the QB that fits what you are looking to accomplish.
You take the QB when he is there for you. You don't wait. Buffalo liked Allen, even though they were an incomplete team, and they took him. Likewise, the Ravens spent a first on Lamar even though they had a vet in place.
If there is a Burrow or Trevor Lawrence at the top then absolutely. Otherwise let's not try and convince ourselves into a QB and build the foundation for the next year.
houston and Atlanta will be looking for QBs soon!
It's like people don't think about timelines and contracts. That shit matters.
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Assuming they are still ranked where they are now come April. They mentioned it on the broadcast yesterday, but the way you build a successful team is to look at what Buffalo and Baltimore did. You build the offensive and defensive lines, then find the QB that fits what you are looking to accomplish.
You take the QB when he is there for you. You don't wait. Buffalo liked Allen, even though they were an incomplete team, and they took him. Likewise, the Ravens spent a first on Lamar even though they had a vet in place.
You know Baltimore took a TE before taking Lamar, right?>
I will repeat, the Ravens spent a first round pick on Lamar even though they were a team that was already competitive playoff team with a vet in place. Wherever you think we are as a team in April 2022, if Jones is not absolutely playing at top-8 level, we need to get a QB if we have the #1 and #2 picks.
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Assuming they are still ranked where they are now come April. They mentioned it on the broadcast yesterday, but the way you build a successful team is to look at what Buffalo and Baltimore did. You build the offensive and defensive lines, then find the QB that fits what you are looking to accomplish.
You take the QB when he is there for you. You don't wait. Buffalo liked Allen, even though they were an incomplete team, and they took him. Likewise, the Ravens spent a first on Lamar even though they had a vet in place.
If there is a Burrow or Trevor Lawrence at the top then absolutely. Otherwise let's not try and convince ourselves into a QB and build the foundation for the next year.
excuse me.. i'll take a Zach Wilson or Trey Lance as well.
And I'd bring in Mike McDaniel from San Fran as the new HC
I don't think you do get it.
You don't want to force a QB if there's not a great one to take. In that event, agree with bw that trading out of one of the picks for 2023 ammunition makes sense, but man how depressing is that to think about! Need impact pass rushers. Look for Front 7 picks to make up 2 of our first 3 picks.
Their first round picks got a lot better later that decade as they started drafting future HoFs almost every year.
Good start? He’s had one good game out of two
excuse me.. i'll take a Zach Wilson or Trey Lance as well.
Based on what they have done? They are still unknowns at this point.
No you don't. The question is do you pay him $30 million+/year because that's what the market is.
If you don't think he's worth that investment you need to think about moving on.
Or maybe fire Gettleman.
Take your pick
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Assuming Jones isnt the answer- isnt that we just did with him in 2019? Why make the same mistake twice?
Good point.
Let's stop trying to find the right guy so we can avoid picking the wrong guy along the way.
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you've made it your goal to blast Jones every day for 2 years. Now that he's off to a good start to the season it'll be something else that you have with him.
No you don't. The question is do you pay him $30 million+/year because that's what the market is.
If you don't think he's worth that investment you need to think about moving on.
Totally different question, so if you honestly don't believe he's the guy, why the fuck would you move on from a cost controlled QB? Even the haters can admit he's worth much more than his contract right now. And then they'd be bitching about "forcing" a QB when the next guy isn't that good.
The other pick would absolutely need to be shopped to a QB-hungry team and see what they are willing to pay. If it is a haul (and it should be) then pull the trigger and add more talent all over the roster.
100% get a frachise LT and a franchise edge and prosper.
f*ck the QB....I want elite o-line and dline.
Go Terps' issue with Daniel Jones runs deeper than whether or not Jones is a good QB. Even if Jones develops into a top 10 QB, Go Terps wouldn't want Jones to get a 2nd contract. He views QBs as easily replaceable for some reason and doesn't even think "his boy" Lamar should get a 2nd contract.
Having said that, you telling other posters that they should "join another message board" or "root for another team" just because they disagree with you is actually the shit that's tiresome.