I might get crucified for this but this feels like Parcells

1983 squad had a backup QB playing half the year, and the other half Scott Brunner. That team had HOFmers Harry Carson and Lawrence Taylor. Simms got injured as well. 1983 team was more talented overall. Lets hope that the 2021 team has hit bottom and we can see signs of the arrow pointing up.

not year one. I think we are improved and can be better but, I am concerned about one thing coach wise.

Judge has talked a great game, I bought into it, BUT, the choices made last night at the end of the game were not "situationally" smart football and in fact were very passive, conservative and downright weak. Judge sent the O out there with the orders to run the ball twice (both runs right up the middle where the LEAST amount of time could be run off the clock but with the supposed purpose for running time and forcing timeouts to be used. That may seem nitpicky but, a simple outside run, something Barkley is better at could have eaten another second or two. That being said, playing like you are trying to score a TD would have been far more warranted.

But then again playing conservative worked better when you had tough backs that could run between tackles and had a defense that could actually stop someone .... then again rules have changed so you can pretty much call shotgun and throw short passes all day long.

This whole running Barkley to the outside and Barkley to use two more seconds off the clock is whatevs. I get it kinda he brings something exciting to a running game with his speed and whatever but eventually we’re going to have to face the reality that two runs up the middle and third and 3 or 4 are a wholeness lot better than 3rd and long. Barkley cannot be the back in that situation at least

This season doesn’t transpose neatly to any Giants season I at least have seen. Fewer historical analogies, please.

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But then again playing conservative worked better when you had tough backs that could run between tackles and had a defense that could actually stop someone .... then again rules have changed so you can pretty much call shotgun and throw short passes all day long. This whole running Barkley to the outside and Barkley to use two more seconds off the clock is whatevs. I get it kinda he brings something exciting to a running game with his speed and whatever but eventually we’re going to have to face the reality that two runs up the middle and third and 3 or 4 are a wholeness lot better than 3rd and long. Barkley cannot be the back in that situation at least

I don't know how we can judge Barkley when we call a run game that doesn't accentuate his strenghts. We seem hell bent on running him out of tight formations right into the center and guard. It's maddending, but it's the last piece of the puzzle for Garrett I think. I was relieved to see what I saw from him last night.

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But then again playing conservative worked better when you had tough backs that could run between tackles and had a defense that could actually stop someone .... then again rules have changed so you can pretty much call shotgun and throw short passes all day long. This whole running Barkley to the outside and Barkley to use two more seconds off the clock is whatevs. I get it kinda he brings something exciting to a running game with his speed and whatever but eventually we’re going to have to face the reality that two runs up the middle and third and 3 or 4 are a wholeness lot better than 3rd and long. Barkley cannot be the back in that situation at least

If you can't run SB in this situation, the #2 sure fire HOL, LOL, then who can you run? WTF did they draft him for?

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If you can't run SB in this situation, the #2 sure fire HOL, LOL, then who can you run? WTF did they draft him for?

Another back ? In like three years I’ve watched this same thing from him ; it’s like Gallman or Freeman would be been more effective and give 5 yards on one of those carries. Maybe I was wrong about them drafting Barkley to complement Eli. It was a good idea with Eli since he loved play action pass and could throw deep but eventually the realization has to set in that barley is not going to give tough runs to control the clock and over power anybody when a first down is needed and running the ball seems like the predictable move

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Quote: If you can't run SB in this situation, the #2 sure fire HOL, LOL, then who can you run? WTF did they draft him for? Another back ? In like three years I’ve watched this same thing from him ; it’s like Gallman or Freeman would be been more effective and give 5 yards on one of those carries. Maybe I was wrong about them drafting Barkley to complement Eli. It was a good idea with Eli since he loved play action pass and could throw deep but eventually the realization has to set in that barley is not going to give tough runs to control the clock and over power anybody when a first down is needed and running the ball seems like the predictable move

So in essence, he's a massive bust. I know he's hurt, blah, blah, blah. Why is he out there then if he's a liability? Nothing this coaching does makes sense.

Jones has the ability to break one with his running so you kinda don’t need Barkley any more

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Quote: If you can't run SB in this situation, the #2 sure fire HOL, LOL, then who can you run? WTF did they draft him for? but eventually the realization has to set in that barley is not going to give tough runs to control the clock and over power anybody when a first down is needed and running the ball seems like the predictable move

I posted this the night he was drafted.

last night felt more like the games I watched so many times during the dark years in the 60's and 70's.

Parcells' year 1 was about him learning the difference between being a coordinator and being head coach. He decided that in Year 2, he was going to do things his way and if he went down in flames, at least he'd crash and burn running his own program. Instead the team took off.

This is Judge's year 2. He had year 1 to learn about being a head coach. He seemed to turn it around in the second half. Now the team has taken a step backwards, especially the defense.

The situations aren't really analogous.

I think there's a PR problem and a coaching problem. The PR problem is that JJ talks exactly the same way regardless of where the team is. He needs to open up enough to let the fans know that he's pissed, or that this is unacceptable, or something. He doesn't believe in that, I'm sure, but it's necessary. The coaching problem is that the team did not look prepared for the season to start on Sunday and Washington seemed to adjust better in-game than the Giants did. Last night wasn't a full-on disaster — the offense was better, no turnovers for Jones — but it was a bad loss. JJ needs to acknowledge that and do more than talk about "cleaning it up."

I hear that Zo Carter has become quite a force.

. It's the indecisions at the time. I get that Judge is in his second year but can you count last year with the roster they had. Parcels 3-12 roster is comparable or better to this years team roster compared to the rest of the league. I would love to see BBI in 1984 commenting on Parcells as he goes 9-7 and loses the last two games of the season to "back into the playoffs". It took awhile to fall in love with the man, don't say it didn't.

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. It's the indecisions at the time. I get that Judge is in his second year but can you count last year with the roster they had. Parcels 3-12 roster is comparable or better to this years team roster compared to the rest of the league. I would love to see BBI in 1984 commenting on Parcells as he goes 9-7 and loses the last two games of the season to "back into the playoffs". It took awhile to fall in love with the man, don't say it didn't.

You serious? It was my understanding the Giants were awful before that. Getting the team to the playoffs in his second year would get a parade. In fact if that happens this year (like it should considering the talent in a piss poor East) their will certainly be a mini parade. Unless we get there in spite of him (shit apparently we should have won the game yesterday)

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. It's the indecisions at the time. I get that Judge is in his second year but can you count last year with the roster they had. Parcels 3-12 roster is comparable or better to this years team roster compared to the rest of the league. I would love to see BBI in 1984 commenting on Parcells as he goes 9-7 and loses the last two games of the season to "back into the playoffs". It took awhile to fall in love with the man, don't say it didn't.

No idea what you’re talking about. I probably starting watching back then and jints could fucking ball and parcels ran a well oiled machine. I was watching some old giants games inn you tube recently. They were a disciplined good team

And I still remember coach parcels was not someone you wanted to slack off or fuck with and told reporters who it was and was a great coach even back then. A winner.