I am ALMOST convinced we didn't run any against Denver just to not give WFT any tape on it.
That said, now that it is out there again, teams will adjust to it, so what will the Giants do? IMO, they need to incorporate more RPO than what we saw sprinkled in there.
If defenses need to keep a QB spy, more passes out of the run formation will lead to desirable one on one match-ups.
Side note: somebody needs to take the WR reverse away from Garrett. Hide that sheet in his playbook or something.
well, he's not Lamar, but he's real good.
also, it helps to have a speedy back like Barkley to run the read option. When Dobbins went down, Edwards as the lead back in that backfield wasn't ideal, as he was the power guy to Dobbins' speed. Running the read option with Barkley could be a very dangerous combo.
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he runs that read option about as good as any QB in the in NFL.
well, he's not Lamar, but he's real good.
We don’t need Lamar.
We need DJ and 10 other guys that can block, route run, get open enough, catch, not get caught illegally downfield , pushing off or holding.
We have folks that should be able to do those things, and I agree, it should be incorporated into the O.
I think DJ is eventually going to get crushed running the ball. But it's also his best feature because I just don't think he's consistently good enough from the pocket. So keep trying to run to both sides until DJ gets knocked out.
I know that sounds harsh, but WTF at this point...
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he runs that read option about as good as any QB in the in NFL.
well, he's not Lamar, but he's real good.
We don’t need Lamar.
We need DJ and 10 other guys that can block, route run, get open enough, catch, not get caught illegally downfield , pushing off or holding.
We have folks that should be able to do those things, and I agree, it should be incorporated into the O.
it should be half the offense. Washington couldn't defend it.
I think DJ is eventually going to get crushed running the ball. But it's also his best feature because I just don't think he's consistently good enough from the pocket. So keep trying to run to both sides until DJ gets knocked out.
I know that sounds harsh, but WTF at this point...
Jones was awesome both in the pocket and RPO last night. Last night was the first game that I can recall where he ACTUALLY had time to pass. What we saw last night, was what franchises kill to see. A QB carrying his entire team, Jones did it last night. We should be celebrating his amazing game and hope for the future. Instead, we have a terrible coaching staff who cant step on someone's freaking NECK AND WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think DJ is eventually going to get crushed running the ball. But it's also his best feature because I just don't think he's consistently good enough from the pocket. So keep trying to run to both sides until DJ gets knocked out.
I know that sounds harsh, but WTF at this point...
Well you have an agenda and God forbid that you would have to admit that given just a little bit of time he can make plays. He was not perfect last night - missed a few throws behind the WRs. But that was the best game he has played in a long time - maybe rookie year. It may have been his best game, period. What happens when he gets on the same page with Golladay and Toney? He started to figure out Rudolph.
The RPO works because it is designed to work. It works in college and in high school. It is hard to defend against with a QB that can read the defense. Eventually it will freeze LBs and DBs and open up lanes behind them. Two or three times per game is enough because you don't want the D to get a bead on him.
They need to incorporate the pass out of it and that would make 3 threats on the same play. That's a lot to ask any defense to defend.
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based on the Philly game last year. Which is why it was very surprising WFT kept biting since there are in the division.
I think DJ is eventually going to get crushed running the ball. But it's also his best feature because I just don't think he's consistently good enough from the pocket. So keep trying to run to both sides until DJ gets knocked out.
I know that sounds harsh, but WTF at this point...
Well you have an agenda and God forbid that you would have to admit that given just a little bit of time he can make plays. He was not perfect last night - missed a few throws behind the WRs. But that was the best game he has played in a long time - maybe rookie year. It may have been his best game, period. What happens when he gets on the same page with Golladay and Toney? He started to figure out Rudolph.
The RPO works because it is designed to work. It works in college and in high school. It is hard to defend against with a QB that can read the defense. Eventually it will freeze LBs and DBs and open up lanes behind them. Two or three times per game is enough because you don't want the D to get a bead on him.
What agenda? I was complimentary last night of Jones's overall play. He has proven over his five games against WFT that he loves to play against them.
We have seen recently that as part of a mix with pro-style it can work, especially now since we have QBs with better running ability than in the past. How much read option can we do without reaching the point of diminishing returns, is the question. I think more than we have seen so far. 30%? 50%?
and it would have been perfect for that 4th quarter drive after the INT, when you want to really go hard for a first down, but also want to keep the clock ticking.
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based on the Philly game last year. Which is why it was very surprising WFT kept biting since there are in the division.
I think DJ is eventually going to get crushed running the ball. But it's also his best feature because I just don't think he's consistently good enough from the pocket. So keep trying to run to both sides until DJ gets knocked out.
I know that sounds harsh, but WTF at this point...
Jones was awesome both in the pocket and RPO last night. Last night was the first game that I can recall where he ACTUALLY had time to pass. What we saw last night, was what franchises kill to see. A QB carrying his entire team, Jones did it last night. We should be celebrating his amazing game and hope for the future. Instead, we have a terrible coaching staff who cant step on someone's freaking NECK AND WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
This! DJs best attribute (to this point) is his running ability. He needs 10 carries a game for half a season...the rush will slow down and teams will have to use a spy. That's when passing gets easier.