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Breaker : 9/17/2021 5:27 pm
Downside: One-year starter who only settled in fully at wideout as a senior. Not yet a polished receiver — has made strides in his craft but isn’t yet refined or nuanced enough. Occasionally chaotic route runner with uneven tempo and false steps. Even by his own admission has had trouble grasping certain route concepts.
Still learning how to defeat press coverage outside of his quick release. Given limited responsibilities as a wideout — more of a gadget player at this stage of his development. Suffered multiple catchable drops in Senior Bowl one-on-one drills.
Lined up in the slot nearly 90 percent of the time the past two seasons and hasn’t run a full or complex route tree. Only targets 20-plus yards downfield 17 times in four seasons, per PFF. Only scored three TDs his first three seasons combined. Might need his touches manufactured early on.
Can run out of control and off balance at times — all gas, no brakes. Can almost look uncoordinated when he presses the issue. Will freelance and lose yards just as easily as he makes the first man miss. Could fine tune his situational awareness at times. Didn’t always earn coaches’ full trust for a heavier offensive diet prior to 2020.
Small, lean frame. Short arms (31 1/4 inches) and small hands (9 1/4 inches). Not ideally built for contested catches. Turned in disappointing testing numbers on the bench press (nine reps) and short shuttle (4.25 seconds), which should have been a drill he excelled at.

Florida WR Kadarius Toney is a dangerous weapon with the ball in his hands. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey)
Medical evaluation could hurt his stock — battled through injuries most of his career and missed big chunks of the 2017 and 2019 seasons. Suffered multiple shoulder injuries in college and is at higher risk for future subluxations.
Battled immaturity early in career and multiple off-field incidents. Was suspended for 2018 season opener following an altercation on campus between multiple players and local residents, having painted an “air gun” to look like an AR-15 rifle that spring. Also was pulled over with a real (loaded) AR-15 rifle in his car two months later, claiming his needed to protect himself against the residents involved in the first incident.

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RE: If there is any lingering doubt...  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/18/2021 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15374786 bw in dc said:
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who is still in command of the draft hopefully this selection of KT clears up any doubt.

Because this KT selection has Gettleman all over it - forcing a higher pick on a questionable player.


Cmon...if there was a player that had DG written all over him it was Paye and if one did for Judge was Toney considering his love of all things SEC. I'm sure you were saying the same thing predraft - that it was going to be Paye because of DG, even at the expense of Smith. This is being disingenuous based on the data.
RE: RE: If there is any lingering doubt...  
Producer : 9/18/2021 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15375629 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15374786 bw in dc said:


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who is still in command of the draft hopefully this selection of KT clears up any doubt.

Because this KT selection has Gettleman all over it - forcing a higher pick on a questionable player.



Cmon...if there was a player that had DG written all over him it was Paye and if one did for Judge was Toney considering his love of all things SEC. I'm sure you were saying the same thing predraft - that it was going to be Paye because of DG, even at the expense of Smith. This is being disingenuous based on the data.


I kind of agree. I don't see KT as a Gettleman pick. I have no real opinion who drove the selection but Paye or Lattisaw would seem to be DG guys.
I Keep things simple  
Grizz99 : 9/19/2021 9:42 am : link
And reference my prejudices..don't draft guys with rings in their nose. CV
What I don't understand is why Toney is not the kick and punt returner  
GeofromNJ : 9/19/2021 10:28 am : link
now. This is supposedly one area in which he excels. Is he too dumb to know how to read his blockers on a kick return or too dumb to know when and when not to call for a fair catch?
RE: What I don't understand is why Toney is not the kick and punt returner  
Matt M. : 9/19/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15376005 GeofromNJ said:
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now. This is supposedly one area in which he excels. Is he too dumb to know how to read his blockers on a kick return or too dumb to know when and when not to call for a fair catch?
This is my question exactly. It's not like we have a league leading return game and this should be a relatively easy way to get the ball in his hands a few times a game.
clearly a bad pick  
bc4life : 9/19/2021 12:33 pm : link
based on compelling evidence of two games
Right now, I think him getting next o nothing  
Matt M. : 9/19/2021 12:35 pm : link
is more a condemnation of the coaching staff than anything else. If he is as dynamic a player as they say and (and thought based on draft slot), then the coaches have to find at least a few ways a game to get the ball in his hands.
RE: .  
djm : 9/19/2021 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15374767 Walnut said:
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I think it's clear Tony was forced on Judge by someone, maybe Mara or Graham. He is literally the last type of player you would think Judge would draft.


You most definitely do not know this. Matter of fact if anything it’s probably safe to assume judge did push for this player, if anything.
He does look like a DG pick  
Ron Johnson : 9/20/2021 9:29 am : link
and that's because of what he put on tape. For all the questioning of KT going on now, go re-watch his tape from Florida. It's pretty obvious why they picked him.
RE: He does look like a DG pick  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2021 9:34 am : link
In comment 15377340 Ron Johnson said:
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and that's because of what he put on tape. For all the questioning of KT going on now, go re-watch his tape from Florida. It's pretty obvious why they picked him.


I’m still bullish on the guy tbh. I think he’s a tremendous weapons to have in the read option and RPO. He’s the one WR we have in RPO that can break the tackle as WR and take it to house. Also can put him in backfield in the read option when Saquon needs breather. Hoping with 10 days he’s ready to go and see saw drives. Throwing him out there 1 play at a time is moronic (and I think they realized that right away)
Its actually hard to tell what Gettleman likes (besides himself)  
Jerry in_DC : 9/20/2021 9:39 am : link
He seemed to like 300 pound run stopping DLs. But then he let DT and Hill go. He also seems like like investing in DBs.

He says he likes OL, but we haven't really seen that. He doesn't seem to value pass rush, particularly from the edge.

Toney doesn't really match with the image that Gettleman tries to project. But when you look at what he actually does, it all seems kind of random. Its not easy to find a theme or a plan.
Jerry  
cosmicj : 9/20/2021 10:58 am : link
Yes, I have a similar view. There are credible reports that DG loved Herbert and Wirfs pre draft. Neither is on the team.

I think player acquisition is clearly a community effort and it’s a shambolic mess.
Yeah its tough to figure  
Jerry in_DC : 9/20/2021 11:23 am : link
I'm not even trying to be critical on this point - just trying to figure out what the FO values and what they want to be.

The committee idea is a good hypothesis because there does not seem to be any type of consistent vision or priorities.
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