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hard not to be emotional after loss last night, unless

plato : 9/17/2021 6:26 pm
you are not a Giant fan. It’s why I waited before trying to provide my perspective which although not demanding, blaming, or even crying, I think is a rationale and defensible perspective.

1. I have been a die hard giant fan for more than 70 years, and I can tell you that the Giants will break your heart repeatedly. They have some unique ways to lose games. But think how many times we have watched Eli come off the field giving the giants a lead and then have to stand helpless as the defense can’t hold a & lt; 3 point lead and allow the opponent to win the game. Last night was not unique.

2. I am a fan of defense but this team does not have a lifetime defensive player like Lawrence Taylor who made what might have been a better than average defense appear super. So we need to be strong in many positions and need the DC to put the team ina position to win.Hard for me to believe that Graham did that with a loose zone with no pass rush. That was most disappointing of whole game.

3. It seems that giants always get bad calls in critical situations. Is that just the fan in me or is there more to it. We had a holding call of ? accura y take away a tD. And of course calling a do over +5 yards on a game ending missed FG seems awfully petty and ?

4. The diva wr’s, Toney and Golliday need to be talked to by the coach. You can’t not practice and expect the qb to have faith and trust you. Shut up and let your play talk. So far I am not impressed with either of you. Del Shafner and Rote make you look like below average pick up guys.

5.Watching Saquon I could not help but think of Tucker Fredrickson, another first round rb whose knee injury basically ruined his career. I am impressed at how well Barkley is doing so soon after a bad injury. Hopefully he will continue to improve. But it’s scary every time he carries into the middle of the scrum. It may take till nest season for him to get back to “unbelievable” or it may like Tucker never happen. (Yeah i know medicine and rehab much better, but …)

6. Daniel Jones played his heart out there last night. It was one of the best efforts I have seen from a qb going back to #42. He was the offense and he needs support and acclaim. And think how he has handled the Golliday crap. That’s a hell of a leader for a 23 year old(? 24). He may not be able to do that performance every game but he has the potential to and everything DC will now worry about him. He is our qb for the foreseeable future, and we arefortunate to have him.

7. No comments about the FO and none about the coaches, but I have seen the Giants have a lot worse.

Keep the faith, but remember the Giants will break your heart now and then, it’s part of a love affair with them.
42 who dat  
Debaser : 9/17/2021 6:33 pm : link
?

Also so true how many weeks in a row or like 4/5 the giants and Eli came rallying back to take the lead only to watch the other team take the field w like 50 secs left and score a TD or something
It was a horrible way to lose  
nygiants16 : 9/17/2021 6:35 pm : link
but i saw things that showed me that this team can turn it around and in a bad division they wont be out of it
42 is Charlie Conerly.  
CT Charlie : 9/17/2021 7:00 pm : link
Iconic to those of us who remember the 50's.
Emotional indeed  
1giantblue : 9/17/2021 7:07 pm : link
It's not the first and won't be the last but man that was a tough loss.
Thanks for educating a so called giant’s fan as to #42 name. The great  
plato : 9/17/2021 7:08 pm : link
giant qb who belongs in the HOF much more than some othe qb’s.
I tell this story all the time when people ask why I don't  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 7:17 pm : link
get emotional over football.



Remember this game? This game broke me. I was on a destination Thanksgiving vacation in PR when this game happened and I was so bent outta shape about it I was acting like a bratty, sulking child during a family trip.

That's when I realized this stuff isn't worth emotional stress.

It doesn't mean you're not a fan. It's unhealthy to be that invested in it, and after a decade of being a team that is simply irrelevant, it would be hard to care that much anyway. Chances are you care a whole lot more than the people behind the scenes really do.
DJ  
allstarjim : 9/17/2021 8:18 pm : link
Was pretty good, not great last night.

I think what Giants' fans have seen from the position for the last 7 or 8 years at least, really going back to Eli's prime, colors an opinion that what we saw was great QB play. But it wasn't great. There were still too many missed opportunities.

Now everyone talks about the Slayton drop and how the throw was a touch long, and that's true, even if Slayton should've caught it. When he's that open, the catch doesn't need to be a 9 out of 10 degree of difficulty. But there was another throw that killed a drive, also to Slayton, you all will remember, that Slayton could only get one foot down, the throw was too far outside and Slayton really didn't have an opportunity to keep that ball in bounds.

That's a throw great QBs, even very good ones, puts right on their man.

And it cost them a drive.

Last night was a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. DJ needs to make more precision throws.

I think the praise of DJ has been a little too effusive.

As I look at this team, the one element they are missing is an elite passrusher from the outside.
On a loss like last night there are so many people to blame  
TLong : 9/17/2021 8:18 pm : link
but certainly not Daniel Jones.

Where are all those great teaching coaches they hired?

Some of our OLs should do better. Our WRs should get more YAC. Our D stunk the joint out (Not their fault.).

Who to blame? Graham, Garrett, Judge, Gettleman and Mara.
They're all guilty in different ways Judge should be correcting the mistakes of Garret and Graham or replacing them. Maybe Judge himself is in the wrong job.(?)

Mara should fire Gettleman and then himself. Maybe his partner, not considering himself a "Football Man", might do a better job of Hands-Off Management.
Daniel Jones put up 29 points  
BigBlueNH : 9/17/2021 8:27 pm : link
on what is supposed to be a good D, with little field position help from our own D, didn't turn the ball over once, again with no running game (outside of 1 play) outside of what he provided. And could have had more but for the drop.

I doubt there were any other games this past week in which a QB did so much with so little help. Everyone likes to blame the QB when things don;t go well, but he is far from the problem with this team.
Everyone has to get better  
allstarjim : 9/17/2021 8:28 pm : link
Including the QB. Execution wasn't where it needed to be.
RE: Daniel Jones put up 29 points  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2021 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15374951 BigBlueNH said:
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on what is supposed to be a good D, with little field position help from our own D, didn't turn the ball over once, again with no running game (outside of 1 play) outside of what he provided. And could have had more but for the drop.

I doubt there were any other games this past week in which a QB did so much with so little help. Everyone likes to blame the QB when things don;t go well, but he is far from the problem with this team.


The counterpoint to this though is that Daniel Jones, for whatever reason, plays great games against WFT, and far less impressive games against everyone else.

That he plays well is not shocking to anyone. The reason his inconsistency is frustrating is that he's shown in tiny samples that he can play well.
RE: DJ  
JohnnyFlowers : 9/17/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15374944 allstarjim said:
Quote:
Was pretty good, not great last night.

I think what Giants' fans have seen from the position for the last 7 or 8 years at least, really going back to Eli's prime, colors an opinion that what we saw was great QB play. But it wasn't great. There were still too many missed opportunities.

Now everyone talks about the Slayton drop and how the throw was a touch long, and that's true, even if Slayton should've caught it. When he's that open, the catch doesn't need to be a 9 out of 10 degree of difficulty. But there was another throw that killed a drive, also to Slayton, you all will remember, that Slayton could only get one foot down, the throw was too far outside and Slayton really didn't have an opportunity to keep that ball in bounds.

That's a throw great QBs, even very good ones, puts right on their man.

And it cost them a drive.

Last night was a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. DJ needs to make more precision throws.

I think the praise of DJ has been a little too effusive.

As I look at this team, the one element they are missing is an elite passrusher from the outside.


I did not like how DJ took the sack to take them out of
fg range in the beginning of the game.
that was a big negative play for him...almost like a turnover
It's so easy not to be emotional over this team  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2021 8:45 pm : link
They're not good. The season is obviously going nowhere. Management is horrendous. Owners choose cronyism over merit. And none of these players have done a thing in a Giants uniform. This is a pure laundry situation. There's nothing else.

If this were Strahan, Eli, Tuck, Jacobs, JPP etc, suffering a team loss I could see being more emotional. These guys are nodobies for the Giants and they're going nowhere.
So true  
Debaser : 9/17/2021 9:04 pm : link
. These guys are going nowhere . I doubt they’ll be around long. I gues jones and the giants really match up well against the wft but I hope we don’t see more of the same 39 turnovers and weak running and Swiss cheese D
RE: DJ  
5BowlsSoon : 9/17/2021 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15374944 allstarjim said:
Quote:
Was pretty good, not great last night.

I think what Giants' fans have seen from the position for the last 7 or 8 years at least, really going back to Eli's prime, colors an opinion that what we saw was great QB play. But it wasn't great. There were still too many missed opportunities.

Now everyone talks about the Slayton drop and how the throw was a touch long, and that's true, even if Slayton should've caught it. When he's that open, the catch doesn't need to be a 9 out of 10 degree of difficulty. But there was another throw that killed a drive, also to Slayton, you all will remember, that Slayton could only get one foot down, the throw was too far outside and Slayton really didn't have an opportunity to keep that ball in bounds.

That's a throw great QBs, even very good ones, puts right on their man.

And it cost them a drive.

Last night was a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. DJ needs to make more precision throws.

I think the praise of DJ has been a little too effusive.

As I look at this team, the one element they are missing is an elite passrusher from the outside.


You show a lack of football acumen by this post. You should delete it.
RE: RE: DJ  
allstarjim : 9/18/2021 1:48 am : link
In comment 15374991 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 15374944 allstarjim said:


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Was pretty good, not great last night.

I think what Giants' fans have seen from the position for the last 7 or 8 years at least, really going back to Eli's prime, colors an opinion that what we saw was great QB play. But it wasn't great. There were still too many missed opportunities.

Now everyone talks about the Slayton drop and how the throw was a touch long, and that's true, even if Slayton should've caught it. When he's that open, the catch doesn't need to be a 9 out of 10 degree of difficulty. But there was another throw that killed a drive, also to Slayton, you all will remember, that Slayton could only get one foot down, the throw was too far outside and Slayton really didn't have an opportunity to keep that ball in bounds.

That's a throw great QBs, even very good ones, puts right on their man.

And it cost them a drive.

Last night was a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. DJ needs to make more precision throws.

I think the praise of DJ has been a little too effusive.

As I look at this team, the one element they are missing is an elite passrusher from the outside.



You show a lack of football acumen by this post. You should delete it.


Yeah I don't think so, bub. If you think that was outstanding QB play, you're wrong. It was good QB play, it was acceptable QB play. The Giants' offense scored two touchdowns on Thursday Night. If you think DJ is at home right now and that doesn't bother him, you're wrong. I get that one got called back on penalty that was pretty ticky tack. But they were still driving on that possession and it resulted in a FG when he threw short of the sticks on 3rd and 8. That happened several times in this game. I can forgive 3rd and 14, you can't have a turnover and you take what's there and get 3. Then on 3rd and 9 following the Ricky Seals-Jones TD late in the 4th, with the Giants at their own 39, he overthrew Slayton out of bounds, who was open, and who would've converted the first. That was the play that Slayton caught but he could only get one toe drag down in bounds, it was just too far outside. That was a bad pass by Jones and it forced the Giants to punt and give the ball back to the WTFs, which would have allowed Washington to go into victory formation had not James Bradberry made a great play to get the ball back to the Giants near the red zone.

Yes I like the scrambles. Yes he made some really good throws. But there's plenty on Jones he needs to yet work on to get into the upper tier of NFL QBs. And that wasn't an upper tier QB performance. It was a good performance, not great, like I said, and 2 TDs isn't going to get it done. Even if the long run TD wasn't nullified, 3 isn't going to be good enough on a lot of Sundays. They need to start getting and exceeding that 30 point total with regularity.

Sure, was there problems in the game plan or the offensive scheme? It appears so. But we really don't know if the reads and the routes were executed properly, either. We can guess. But the players have to perform on the field. I'm not exonerating the coaching staff, but I'm not going to heap praise on DJ when the performance doesn't really deserve that. Other players played worse than him, certainly, but that's why I said it's on everyone. Everyone has to get better. And that's probably what Coach Judge is telling them in practice next week, too.

But no, I wouldn't delete my comment above even if I could. And I don't think your comment speaks well to your opinion, either.
RE: DJ  
Brown_Hornet : 9/18/2021 2:27 am : link
In comment 15374944 allstarjim said:
Quote:
Was pretty good, not great last night.

I think what Giants' fans have seen from the position for the last 7 or 8 years at least, really going back to Eli's prime, colors an opinion that what we saw was great QB play. But it wasn't great. There were still too many missed opportunities.

Now everyone talks about the Slayton drop and how the throw was a touch long, and that's true, even if Slayton should've caught it. When he's that open, the catch doesn't need to be a 9 out of 10 degree of difficulty. But there was another throw that killed a drive, also to Slayton, you all will remember, that Slayton could only get one foot down, the throw was too far outside and Slayton really didn't have an opportunity to keep that ball in bounds.

That's a throw great QBs, even very good ones, puts right on their man.

And it cost them a drive.

Last night was a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. DJ needs to make more precision throws.

I think the praise of DJ has been a little too effusive.

As I look at this team, the one element they are missing is an elite passrusher from the outside.
re-watch the tape he put it right on him.
Which pass are you referring to?  
allstarjim : 9/18/2021 1:46 pm : link
Anyway I watched it enough. The play to the sideline was a bad pass, period. Nobody is keeping that inbounds, not one receiver in the NFL.
Referring to some stats, Jones so far this year  
cosmicj : 9/18/2021 1:57 pm : link
Had a profile that is a notch below Brady’s 2020 season. The YPA is close, Jones has a tad lower pass completion %. The big negative is that Brady was throwing a lot more TDs but Jones’ mobility counteracts that somewhat. I don’t think people loved Brady’s regular season play (I thought he was awesome in the playoffs) but getting close to that area is absolutely respectable.

I’ve been a big Jones critic but I am pleased and want to see more games like wk 2.
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