Im getting a ton of differing views on this. Former QBs like Mike Vick and Rich Gannon are saying it was an overthrow. Many are saying that Slayton is a professional receiver and should of caught that ball. What’s the verdict BBI?
if you aren't going to factor in the fact that Jones took a shot right after that throw then you aren't giving a fair assessment. It also hit Slayton in the hand, for what would have been a tough but doable catch.
The QB is supposed to throw it up so the WR runs under it, very much like a CF runs under a ball hit over his head. They track it, center it on their body and adjust their speed to get to it.
If you watch to ball is out towards his right shoulder and not “Centered” on him. This tells me he didn’t get a good look at it in the air and didn’t make the proper adjustment to the ball.
hit his hands so should have caught it though he was so wide open that i thought jones could have put a little more air under it. neither player's "fault," really, just a failure to make a play
That it was an overthrow. The receiver was wide open, there wasn’t a need to make the receiver go get it. A simple shot with some air under it, and it’s an easy score for the receiver. I’m not blaming Jones, he played great, but it’s a learning experience for him.
should have left his feet, put his thumbs together and made the catch. Next time maybe Jones puts a little more arc on the ball but Slayton owns this one.
It wasn’t a perfect throw, but thats an uncontested ball that hit both of his hands. That’s an easy catch for a pro, and I’d expect a pro WR to catch that ball even if it was thrown further in front of him by either extending more or diving.
against the Eagle last year a drop or overthrow? It was overwhelming called a drop.
This was a little easier and JonC and I saw the same thing - Slayton saw he was late and tried to catch up. Watch at around the 10/15 yard line or so. You can see him really turn it on.
The QB is supposed to throw it up so the WR runs under it, very much like a CF runs under a ball hit over his head. They track it, center it on their body and adjust their speed to get to it.
If you watch to ball is out towards his right shoulder and not “Centered” on him. This tells me he didn’t get a good look at it in the air and didn’t make the proper adjustment to the ball.
Exactly this. He didn't see it that well coming in, doesn't matter much if it was a better throw.
That it was an overthrow. The receiver was wide open, there wasn’t a need to make the receiver go get it. A simple shot with some air under it, and it’s an easy score for the receiver. I’m not blaming Jones, he played great, but it’s a learning experience for him.
his route) he also misplaced his hands under it and why he only got “one” hand on it. Certainly could have gotten two without diving. It’s a moot point because Slayton apparently didn’t run threw his route like he was surprised he was so open. By that time the ball is in the motion of getting out.
Jones should have put more air under the ball and Slayton was in one of those unusual 50/50 catch probability situations. The ball was right on the edge of his catch radius where it could have gone either way.
And I don't buy that Slayton was running too slowly. I think he ran a precise pattern and extending his arms at the end gave the illusion he was trying to run harder at the end...
very hard to adjust to over the shoulder running full steam.
What adjustment? He was running with his body positioned the right way the entire time.
Wasn't like he was looking back and and to turn his head/body to the other side to make the grab.
That's not true, his angle was slightly off. Stick your hands straight out. Now rotate your outstreched hands towards the right side of your head. You arms are no longer even, the right one is longer due to the rotation.
If the receiver's route and the trajectory of the ball aren't aligned that the WR can run under it with arms parallel and he has to twist his upper body in mid air to adjsut to ball, it ups the difficulty of the catch tremendously.
If the ball was on his left hand, its a catch IMO. Again hard catch, but one that has to be made at the pro level.
you can see him realize it and hit the gas pedal. The coaches were probably yelling at him on the sidelines to RUN full speed throughout the route, and then the pass would figure to have been easier to catch.
The QB is supposed to throw it up so the WR runs under it, very much like a CF runs under a ball hit over his head. They track it, center it on their body and adjust their speed to get to it.
If you watch to ball is out towards his right shoulder and not “Centered” on him. This tells me he didn’t get a good look at it in the air and didn’t make the proper adjustment to the ball.
That’s what I saw. He had to reach slightly to his right.
against the Eagle last year a drop or overthrow? It was overwhelming called a drop.
This was a little easier and JonC and I saw the same thing - Slayton saw he was late and tried to catch up. Watch at around the 10/15 yard line or so. You can see him really turn it on.
Same kind of play. That ball has got to be caught regardless
degree of difficulty catch, and more difficult catches, are made by NFL receivers in literally every game. Rule of thumb for NFL receivers is, “ If you touch it, you catch it.”
Jones over threw him but Slaton still should have caught it. Almost the exact same scenario as Engram last year in Philadelphia and the story of the last decade of Giants football. They find a way to lose and they remain a terrible team.
but you see guys make it every single week in the NFL.
He didn't settle under the ball with the correct angle, so it forced him to reach slightly awkwardly to grab it. But the key is, Jones put enough air under the ball that Slayton should've been able to adjust to it.
Since Slayton had them beat by 9 yards. But WTF did Slayton not dive or stretch out for it? It was there to be caught
He was stretched for it. You can't layout for a ball that high over your head. Usually when receivers lay out for it, the ball and trajectory are aligned, ie in front of him. But since Slayton was adjusting his route back to the ball, it takes a layout out of the picture.
I might need to rewatch the play, but I don't recall much pressure. Jones had a couple seconds and then moved into the pocket as he threw. He got hit after he threw it, but I thought he stepped right into that. Anyhow, I don't lay blame on either guy. It could have been a better throw and Slayton should catch a pass that hit his hands.
At best, Slayton has average hands for an NFL receiver, but he has
but Slayton didn't run the best route and made it harder to catch. Jones might have thrown an easier ball to reel in if it was more looping, like a russ bomb. I don't blame either player.
If you watch to ball is out towards his right shoulder and not “Centered” on him. This tells me he didn’t get a good look at it in the air and didn’t make the proper adjustment to the ball.
That's a pretty cliched reaction. Brady never missed a throw? When he does is his team bad?
I'm not comparing Daniel Jones to Brady, I just think this is a lazy way to participate in the topic.
The Golladay drop was more egregious in terms of catchability.
It wasn’t perfected but it was catchable
This was a little easier and JonC and I saw the same thing - Slayton saw he was late and tried to catch up. Watch at around the 10/15 yard line or so. You can see him really turn it on.
I tend to agree with him but i wouldn't expect him to say anything else either.
What adjustment? He was running with his body positioned the right way the entire time.
Wasn't like he was looking back and and to turn his head/body to the other side to make the grab.
When the ball hits you in both hands, and you're a professional football player, you catch the fucking ball.
That's the end of that.
If you watch to ball is out towards his right shoulder and not “Centered” on him. This tells me he didn’t get a good look at it in the air and didn’t make the proper adjustment to the ball.
Exactly this. He didn't see it that well coming in, doesn't matter much if it was a better throw.
Except for the fact Jones got hit on the play.
And I don't buy that Slayton was running too slowly. I think he ran a precise pattern and extending his arms at the end gave the illusion he was trying to run harder at the end...
Ergo, not an overthrow. A TD!
In a day where weekly I see receivers go up and catch one contested ball after another, are we really going to do this!
CATCH THE DAM BALL. There is no other quarterback in the league where that question would be asked about that throw.
and I can't blame either Jones or Slayton.
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very hard to adjust to over the shoulder running full steam.
What adjustment? He was running with his body positioned the right way the entire time.
Wasn't like he was looking back and and to turn his head/body to the other side to make the grab.
That's not true, his angle was slightly off. Stick your hands straight out. Now rotate your outstreched hands towards the right side of your head. You arms are no longer even, the right one is longer due to the rotation.
If the receiver's route and the trajectory of the ball aren't aligned that the WR can run under it with arms parallel and he has to twist his upper body in mid air to adjsut to ball, it ups the difficulty of the catch tremendously.
If the ball was on his left hand, its a catch IMO. Again hard catch, but one that has to be made at the pro level.
If you watch to ball is out towards his right shoulder and not “Centered” on him. This tells me he didn’t get a good look at it in the air and didn’t make the proper adjustment to the ball.
That’s what I saw. He had to reach slightly to his right.
This was a little easier and JonC and I saw the same thing - Slayton saw he was late and tried to catch up. Watch at around the 10/15 yard line or so. You can see him really turn it on.
Same kind of play. That ball has got to be caught regardless
Think I would believe Smith and Irvin(two VG receivers) over Vick and Gannon(two mediocre at best QBs)
He didn't settle under the ball with the correct angle, so it forced him to reach slightly awkwardly to grab it. But the key is, Jones put enough air under the ball that Slayton should've been able to adjust to it.
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(i.e Steve Smith and Michael Irvin) and former QBs say that Jones overthrew it (i.e Michael Vick and Rich Gannon)
Think I would believe Smith and Irvin(two VG receivers) over Vick and Gannon(two mediocre at best QBs)
That’s unfair to Gannon. The guy was an MVP and led his team to the Super Bowl. I wouldn’t say he was mediocre.
He was stretched for it. You can't layout for a ball that high over your head. Usually when receivers lay out for it, the ball and trajectory are aligned, ie in front of him. But since Slayton was adjusting his route back to the ball, it takes a layout out of the picture.
What it was.....incomplete