Mara, one of the league's worst owners?

Don't forget the debt that was taken on by the state for the old one.

"Sept. 7, 2010
It’s the gift that keeps on taking. The old Giants Stadium, demolished to make way for New Meadowlands Stadium, still carries about $110 million in debt, or nearly $13 for every New Jersey resident, even though it is now a parking lot."
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And my guess is that in ten years we're going to start hearing whispers about building a new stadium.

God forbid someone decides to keep a stadium and invest in it. So short sighted. Unrelated, but the Braves have already moved on from Turner Field which was built in 1996!

In comment 15375137 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15375133 section125 said: Quote: fired two years earlier. He was awful since right after SB 46. Team was ill prepared, often out coached. Yep, when he lost that opening season game to the Cowboys, it was time to move on.

It was time to move on when he pretended not to notice OBJs shenanigans against, I think it was the seahawks. He lost all discipline and respect after that.

The true test of Mara's leadership was going to be how he replaced Reese, Coughlin, and Eli.

All three processes have been shambolic failures. There's not other way to put it.

- Worst team in the NFL the past five years
- 0 days over .500 since the start of the 2017 season

The arrow is not pointing up. This is an organization in a deep state of crisis.

In comment 15375428 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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are more of a appeaser. There was a very clear difference of opinion of how a team should be built between TC and Reese. Playing both sides let to a lot of the problems. My personal opinion is Ross had a very big influence on Reese. Reese learned under Ernie. Ernie as a great LT and then you can fill in the rest. 2004 Draft Eli, Snee 2005 Draft Webster, Tuck, Jacobs Offseason McKenzie, Plax, Pierce Tom was the influencer of being a physical team. Snee and McKenzie are not EA type investments. Plax, big physical threat who could run block. Jacobs, big, fast and physical player. Again, I think you have to consider the shift in philosophy when the downturn happened.

This is spot on.

1) To me, one of the most defining decisions of his owbership has nothing to do with the product on the field, but the field itself. The MetLife ultimate decision and how they ended up there was a fiasco and resulted in a terrible stadium.

2) I loved Coughlin, but agreed with his firing at the time. What I did not agree with was retaining Reese. And this is 100% Mara. Hell, in the press conference, Mara even said it was the personnel, but he kept the GM. You could argue that the results on the field were bad for a few years and 2 SBs bought Coughlin thr benefit of the doubt. But, bad play, in my opinion, was directly correlated to Reese ignoring the OL for too long. They were no longer able to run their long successful offense. Gilbride didnt forget how to coach. He no lo get had the ability to protect his QB long enough for his plays to develop. He said as much, but "retired" rather than Reese putting an OL out there.

The decision was move to WCO instead of legitimately building up front. It worked with McAdoo as OC. In retrospect, I think it ilwas heavily dependent on Coughlin's influence on a more of a hybrid. Once McAdoo was HC, the offense was very different.

So, after all that, it wasnt so.much the decision to fire Coughlin, but to keep Reese. Pretty much every decision since has been terrible.

In comment 15375164 Sean said:

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Reese was younger and inherited both Coughlin & Eli. No issues with him getting a longer leash. The Giants are in this mess because of a lack of planning. Every decision since Gettleman was brought in was bad, the organizational vision was awful: 1. Take a RB at #2 and try to win again with Eli. 2. Failure to build an OL to win with an aging QB. 3. Although I had no issues with the trade at the time, JPP had a lot left. 4. Retain Eli in 2019 and reach for Jones. If the big plan was to win with Eli why not give Eli/DG/Shurmur 2018 & 2019 to either win or everyone goes? Then draft the new QB in 2019 with a new GM and coach. Just no plan. They are winging it as they go. Nothing has changed from the end of the Reese tenure, DG has just been an extension of it.

The last line is my biggest issue. If you were going to rebuild why wouldn't you have just given Reese that chance instead of DG? The infrastructure of the team should have been gutted. If you weren't going to do that, you should have let Reese pick the new QB.

You people are so fucking jaded that you're trashing the organization that brought the Giants 2 super bowls. Yea I it wasn't perfect but we got there twice!

Something is seriously wrong with the fan base on this site. You're all way too obsessed with a perfect football story that you lose sight of the joy you've seen and experienced. You've become so bitter and have zero patience.

IMO the reason why we continuously lose is because we are constantly changing things, no stability. This is driven by a fan base that just wants to tear it all down every season.

I'm so sick of seeing shit like this. 10 years ago BBI was different. To many Giants.com people on here now, Giants twitter has made it worse

If you hate the Giants org so much then go be a fucking Jets fan or go talk to one. They might offer you a little perspective

I can't be the only person on here that feels this way...

I'm going to go lift now while proudly wearing my giants hoody and hat here in Portland, and then go enjoy my day. Keep hating guys...

Next week is Atlanta, bring it on, Lets go Big blue!

The guy that runs the Bengals. That weird looking guy that owns the Raiders. Rub n tug Robbie up in Foxboro. There’s gotta be worse owners than John Mara. But he isn’t among the best either. That’s for sure. The stadium is terrible - and it’s in New Jersey for fucks sake. The training camp experience sucks now for the fans. Giants media is okay I guess. But the Giants merchandise always seems pretty lame to me. Anyway, the product obviously sucks and that’s absolutely Mara’s fault. But I’m not sure he’s among the worst.

inheriting TC (and Eli) is a ridiculous concept. Reese was a very good scout and helped TC build that 2004-2012. I liked him when he was wearing his scout gear praising both.

I didn't like when he become the arrogant dapper don GM with his sidekick Ross. The two people most responsible for even putting him in this position were the same two he tried for years to blame for his poor drafts.

I am pretty indifferent to DG but I think he would have paired much better with TC than Reese and I am not so sure both TC's and Eli's last years would be more positive.

I agree with much the critics wrote, but Mara deserves enormous credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 despite heavy media and fan pressure (can you imagine firing a coach after leading you to two playoff seasons in a row now?).

In comment 15375510 Rory said:

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You people are so fucking jaded that you're trashing the organization that brought the Giants 2 super bowls. Yea I it wasn't perfect but we got there twice! Something is seriously wrong with the fan base on this site. You're all way too obsessed with a perfect football story that you lose sight of the joy you've seen and experienced. You've become so bitter and have zero patience. IMO the reason why we continuously lose is because we are constantly changing things, no stability. This is driven by a fan base that just wants to tear it all down every season. I'm so sick of seeing shit like this. 10 years ago BBI was different. To many Giants.com people on here now, Giants twitter has made it worse If you hate the Giants org so much then go be a fucking Jets fan or go talk to one. They might offer you a little perspective I can't be the only person on here that feels this way... I'm going to go lift now while proudly wearing my giants hoody and hat here in Portland, and then go enjoy my day. Keep hating guys... Next week is Atlanta, bring it on, Lets go Big blue!

Wanna know who was a pretty bad owner? George M Steinbrenner III. He meddled too much. Then he was banned from baseball for a couple of years, baseball people took over, and he largely sat back and wrote checks after being reinstated. Bam dynasty.

The issue to me seems that he's too loyal to personnel people within the inner circle (Giant family) that have not been successful. The isues with the team in my view are more so on the personnel side than the coaching side.

I'd be surprised if DG is the GM next year and I think they'll go outside of the organization.

Does it really feel like Mara turns over every stone to try to win? Remember his father's philosophy - a season in which the Giants were competing to qualify for the playoffs on the last game was considered successful.

A low bar, in my opinion.

It's still the smartest, most concise statement I've read on BBI: the Maras don't try to win, they hope to win.

and will continue to sabotage personnel for the foreseeable future. Oh and Mara’s cousin, Tim MacDomald, who has been helping Chris with his incompetence, is being Groomed to take over as President. Gives me a warm and fuzzy ( maybe it’s massive indigestion).

In comment 15375216 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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2011 D Prince Amukura, Marvin Austin, Jernel Jenkins, James Brewer, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, Jacquan Williams, Delray Scott 2012 D David Wilson, Reuben Randle, Jayron Holsey, Adrien Robinson, Brandon Mosley, Matt McCants, David Kuhn 2013 D Justin Pugh, Jonathan Hankins, Damantre Moore, Ryan Nassib, Cooper Taylor, Eric Herman, Michael Cox 2014 D OBJ, Weston Richburg, Jay Bromley, Andre Williams, Nat Behre, Devon Kennard, Bennet Jackson How he was not able to get more out of this tremendous talent provided in mind boggling. Look at all this talent and the impact they had on the NFL.

If you don't think Coughlin had a voice in the draft room, you're kidding yourself.

Reese and Ross allowed the roster to atrophy, but Coughlin was 100% along for that ride.

In comment 15375510 Rory said:

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You people are so fucking jaded that you're trashing the organization that brought the Giants 2 super bowls. Yea I it wasn't perfect but we got there twice! Something is seriously wrong with the fan base on this site. You're all way too obsessed with a perfect football story that you lose sight of the joy you've seen and experienced. You've become so bitter and have zero patience. IMO the reason why we continuously lose is because we are constantly changing things, no stability. This is driven by a fan base that just wants to tear it all down every season. I'm so sick of seeing shit like this. 10 years ago BBI was different. To many Giants.com people on here now, Giants twitter has made it worse If you hate the Giants org so much then go be a fucking Jets fan or go talk to one. They might offer you a little perspective I can't be the only person on here that feels this way... I'm going to go lift now while proudly wearing my giants hoody and hat here in Portland, and then go enjoy my day. Keep hating guys... Next week is Atlanta, bring it on, Lets go Big blue!

Two Super Bowls? Got there twice?

You're already kind of a joke of a poster, but the fact that you don't know how many Super Bowls the Giants have been to or how many they've won is pretty revealing.

Take a hike.

And in Gatorade you've encountered the lowest of low - vermin that exists simply to put down posters and the team. A sad creature that uses the board to try to feel better about himself. He makes people feel "unclean" just by contact.
You are, of course, right about two superbowls in the context you set. It's merely an example of a compulsion to find empowerment through denigration.

In comment 15375743 Go Terps said:

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Does it really feel like Mara turns over every stone to try to win? Remember his father's philosophy - a season in which the Giants were competing to qualify for the playoffs on the last game was considered successful. A low bar, in my opinion. It's still the smartest, most concise statement I've read on BBI: the Maras don't try to win, they hope to win.

The whole 'Meaningful football in December' mindset the Maras seem to have...It was/is lame AF.

In comment 15375510 Rory said:

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You people are so fucking jaded that you're trashing the organization that brought the Giants 2 super bowls. Yea I it wasn't perfect but we got there twice! Something is seriously wrong with the fan base on this site. You're all way too obsessed with a perfect football story that you lose sight of the joy you've seen and experienced. You've become so bitter and have zero patience. IMO the reason why we continuously lose is because we are constantly changing things, no stability. This is driven by a fan base that just wants to tear it all down every season. I'm so sick of seeing shit like this. 10 years ago BBI was different. To many Giants.com people on here now, Giants twitter has made it worse If you hate the Giants org so much then go be a fucking Jets fan or go talk to one. They might offer you a little perspective I can't be the only person on here that feels this way... I'm going to go lift now while proudly wearing my giants hoody and hat here in Portland, and then go enjoy my day. Keep hating guys... Next week is Atlanta, bring it on, Lets go Big blue!

Yep, it moronic to think the Mara's are anywhere near the bottom of the list of owners. Absolutely moronic...

You say ownership meddles too much. Then you blame Mara for the Eli fiasco LOL. He stayed out of the way and let McAdoo make that decision because he's NOT a meddling owner. Hypocrites....

In comment 15375804 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 15375510 Rory said: Quote: You people are so fucking jaded that you're trashing the organization that brought the Giants 2 super bowls. Yea I it wasn't perfect but we got there twice! Something is seriously wrong with the fan base on this site. You're all way too obsessed with a perfect football story that you lose sight of the joy you've seen and experienced. You've become so bitter and have zero patience. IMO the reason why we continuously lose is because we are constantly changing things, no stability. This is driven by a fan base that just wants to tear it all down every season. I'm so sick of seeing shit like this. 10 years ago BBI was different. To many Giants.com people on here now, Giants twitter has made it worse If you hate the Giants org so much then go be a fucking Jets fan or go talk to one. They might offer you a little perspective I can't be the only person on here that feels this way... I'm going to go lift now while proudly wearing my giants hoody and hat here in Portland, and then go enjoy my day. Keep hating guys... Next week is Atlanta, bring it on, Lets go Big blue! Two Super Bowls? Got there twice? You're already kind of a joke of a poster, but the fact that you don't know how many Super Bowls the Giants have been to or how many they've won is pretty revealing. Take a hike.

are you dumb? seriously though? reading comprehension & critical thinking skills not up to par? lol would love to meet ya

all you had as a response.

Kind of disappointed honestly, like you don't get to come in with that comment with no actual substance to the response.

Also pretty sure I could eat your lunch on multiple levels.

bring it fatboy

In comment 15375957 DannyDimes said:

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You say ownership meddles too much. Then you blame Mara for the Eli fiasco LOL. He stayed out of the way and let McAdoo make that decision because he's NOT a meddling owner. Hypocrites....

Mara was very involved in a lineup change. He then fired McAdoo for some communication failure and some inconsistency in messaging. That’s meddling.

We could have Cincinnati’s owner. That guy is a real shit bag.

But probably bottom 10. The last GM "search" shows that they value staying in their comfort zone more than putting good team on the field for the fans. That is massively insulting to their customers.

In comment 15376066 Jerry in_DC said:

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But probably bottom 10. The last GM "search" shows that they value staying in their comfort zone more than putting good team on the field for the fans. That is massively insulting to their customers.

no way.

the fact people are even entertaining this is hilariously pathetic. The Mara's are known league wide as being some of the best ownership in football. They are always at the helm for submitting donations to charity and never fail to spend when its needed. this thread aggravates me

In comment 15375917 Grizz99 said:

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And in Gatorade you've encountered the lowest of low - vermin that exists simply to put down posters and the team. A sad creature that uses the board to try to feel better about himself. He makes people feel "unclean" just by contact. You are, of course, right about two superbowls in the context you set. It's merely an example of a compulsion to find empowerment through denigration.

One of us got banned from the board once before, and it isn't me.

In comment 15375995 Rory said:

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all you had as a response. Kind of disappointed honestly, like you don't get to come in with that comment with no actual substance to the response. Also pretty sure I could eat your lunch on multiple levels. bring it fatboy

Is that a threat?

in football? At what exactly?

What are the Mara's best at in football aside from losing games in the last 4 years?

Please used only data based facts and show your work.