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gidiefor : Mod : 9/18/2021 7:12 pm
The Giants improved from Game 1 to Game 2. They played just well enough at Washington and that Game should have been a win imo. The Offense woke up and now it's time for the defense to wake up too.

With their noses firmly into the grindstone it's onto Atlanta and it's time to put a win in the books.
- The Offense still has room to grow by getting Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney up to speed and into production.
- The O-line is getting some good coaching and when it came down to it the two new guys did not equate to a step backwards. I definitely liked our new center. He looks like he's the real deal if last week was not just a flash. Bredeson needs to step up a little.
- Loved the power moves from Rudolph on the line and in the field.
- If Danny can lead the way and the Offense keeps improving look out; and if

-The defense can take a few more steps forward too;
- Ojulari and Carter building on the sack and pressure total;
- the backfield gets into more of a rhythm; the Giants can still show all the doubters a few things this year.

I still think this Coaching staff can bring out the best in these guys, and that this is the end of a losing decade. Wouldn't it be something if the Giants Offense became a powerhouse, started leading the way, and the defense started roaring too.

Go Giants!

Alright gidiefor  
Lurker : 9/18/2021 7:16 pm : link
I was drafting my see you next year post and I came across this. I'm in for another game! :)
That's a lot of words for  
Route 9 : 9/18/2021 7:30 pm : link
0-2
Carter?  
Matt M. : 9/18/2021 7:33 pm : link
He was barely heard from after the 1st or 2nd series. Enough with him already.

And, seriously, I'm way over "moral victories". They are 0-2 in 2 games that could have been won and at least one should have been. Their schedule doesn't allow that.
I’m in  
gary_from_chester : 9/18/2021 7:33 pm : link
Only 2 games in. Roster is improved over last year. Still believe in the coaches. Let’s go!
RE: Carter?  
Route 9 : 9/18/2021 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15375770 Matt M. said:
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He was barely heard from after the 1st or 2nd series. Enough with him already.

And, seriously, I'm way over "moral victories". They are 0-2 in 2 games that could have been won and at least one should have been. Their schedule doesn't allow that.


Yep. They could lose to the Chiefs 41-0 this year and we'll have to hear about how it "wasn't so bad".
IMO this was always going to be a second-half team.  
PakistanPete : 9/18/2021 7:55 pm : link
BBI comes across like a bunch of pussies, but I realize there is an inordinate number of Yankees fans.

You guys root for the Giants about as well as Sanchez tags bitches out at home. :)
RE: IMO this was always going to be a second-half team.  
Route 9 : 9/18/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15375784 PakistanPete said:
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BBI comes across like a bunch of pussies, but I realize there is an inordinate number of Yankees fans.

You guys root for the Giants about as well as Sanchez tags bitches out at home. :)


The team is still 0-2 despite your aimless cheerleader rant.
They don't call a false penalty  
Red Right Hand : 9/18/2021 8:07 pm : link
..then we are talking about how the Giants turned a corner today, is the bottom line.
RE: RE: Carter?  
Red Right Hand : 9/18/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15375776 Route 9 said:
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In comment 15375770 Matt M. said:


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He was barely heard from after the 1st or 2nd series. Enough with him already.

And, seriously, I'm way over "moral victories". They are 0-2 in 2 games that could have been won and at least one should have been. Their schedule doesn't allow that.



Yep. They could lose to the Chiefs 41-0 this year and we'll have to hear about how it "wasn't so bad".


Don't be a little girl. We can do 0-2 in our sleep.
Let's go snot Atlanta, go through 'em like Sherman.
RE: RE: IMO this was always going to be a second-half team.  
PakistanPete : 9/18/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15375786The team is still 0-2 despite your aimless cheerleader rant. [/quote]

They are indeed 0-2. But I am still f-n fantastic. :)
Every week  
Les in TO : 9/18/2021 8:24 pm : link
Is a different story. Will they play with a sense of urgency and focus against Atlanta or will they come out rusty and flat after the deflating loss? How will they adjust when Atlanta looks to neutralize Jones taking off on long runs? The season isn’t over but they’ve dug themselves an early hole against two winnable opponents. I can easily see the Defense taking strides forward next week but the offense being a weak link.
I expect them to beat Atlanta  
Go Terps : 9/18/2021 8:27 pm : link
They're not going to go winless, but I think the ceiling has been lowered from 9 wins to 7, with the likely finish being around 6-11/5-12.

More of the same.
RE: RE: RE: Carter?  
Route 9 : 9/18/2021 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15375790 Red Right Hand said:
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Don't be a little girl. We can do 0-2 in our sleep.
Let's go snot Atlanta, go through 'em like Sherman.


Denial is a bitch ain't it?
I’ll be there for the Atlanta game  
exiled : 9/18/2021 8:40 pm : link
Rooting like hell. I’m not throwing in the towel yet!
RE: They don't call a false penalty  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/18/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15375789 Red Right Hand said:
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..then we are talking about how the Giants turned a corner today, is the bottom line.

Ok, Sally.

Dexter was offsides.
Gidifeor  
Njgfan : 9/18/2021 8:52 pm : link
Can you email me in regards to a old 5-3 defense scheme you sent me years ago. Teamhughes13@msn.com
RE: RE: They don't call a false penalty  
map7711 : 9/18/2021 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15375808 Gatorade Dunk said:
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..then we are talking about how the Giants turned a corner today, is the bottom line.


Ok, Sally.

Dexter was offsides.


Where you been? Do a Google search. Might help you out here.
If your magical little bubble  
Bill in UT : 9/18/2021 8:58 pm : link
is a happy place to live, then God bless, enjoy it
Optimism is eternal…  
lax counsel : 9/18/2021 9:04 pm : link
But reality is harsh. Great that they improved. But this we’re talking about a game against really the only team they’ve handled during this Brownsian era of football. Now they can’t even beat WFT- so in reality it’s a net negative. We put a lot of emphasis on relatively mediocre performances and our stock in a coach from a coaching tree that is notoriously awful in this league and in college football for that matter, because the tree trunk controls and micromanages every aspect of that organization.

Show me something different, then I’ll believe.
I have believed since the end of last season  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/18/2021 9:43 pm : link
and I still do
RE: I expect them to beat Atlanta  
Matt M. : 9/18/2021 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15375797 Go Terps said:
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They're not going to go winless, but I think the ceiling has been lowered from 9 wins to 7, with the likely finish being around 6-11/5-12.

More of the same.
This is where I am. I went from 9 wins during the off season to 5-6 wins, which to me is unacceptable.
RE: They don't call a false penalty  
Matt M. : 9/18/2021 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15375789 Red Right Hand said:
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..then we are talking about how the Giants turned a corner today, is the bottom line.
turned a corner? Win or lose, they got torched on D by a nobody QB.
They’ll be lucky  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/19/2021 7:50 am : link
to win 5 or 6 games.
If you lived thru the 60s and 70s, you are preconditioned to hope for  
Spider56 : 9/19/2021 7:52 am : link
the best, but expect the worst. It takes me 2 days to get over a loss and then it’s on to the next game. But as much as I like JJ, until this team starts winning the last 2 minutes of each half, they have not turned the corner.
RE: RE: They don't call a false penalty  
Red Right Hand : 9/19/2021 8:54 am : link
In comment 15375808 Gatorade Dunk said:
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..then we are talking about how the Giants turned a corner today, is the bottom line.


Ok, Sally.

Dexter was offsides.
That's beside the point, along with the fact the NFL now says he wasn't.

And it's Mr. Sally to you, boy.
RE: RE: They don't call a false penalty  
Red Right Hand : 9/19/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15375847 Matt M. said:
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..then we are talking about how the Giants turned a corner today, is the bottom line.

turned a corner? Win or lose, they got torched on D by a nobody QB.
You seem to be confusing my opinion on the state of the team ( not mentioned) to my impression of what public sentiment would be had we won. You missed the point , which was about the fickle nature of fans, not whether or not I believe they've "turned a corner". Guaranteed, had they won, that would be the narrative. What I think is irrelevant.
RE: If you lived thru the 60s and 70s, you are preconditioned to hope for  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/19/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15375905 Spider56 said:
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the best, but expect the worst. It takes me 2 days to get over a loss and then it’s on to the next game. But as much as I like JJ, until this team starts winning the last 2 minutes of each half, they have not turned the corner.


Well said
But did they improve  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 9:07 am : link
Denver’s Bridgewater is a better QB than Heineken, their RBs are better too. Miller is the best pass rusher between the teams. This defense is putrid not much too be optimistic about. If bottom 10 QBs are looking this good, when they face real QBs it’s going to get even uglier. They just were closer against a worse team.
Let the optimist in me go back to the SB year of 2007.  
Spider56 : 9/19/2021 9:27 am : link
In their first 2 games, the defense gave up 80 points and almost 900 yards before getting it together in the 4th qtr of the 3rd game. If the turn around is coming, it will be this week ... the starters didn’t play enough in the preseason and the short week before the Skins game left no time for adjustments. Now with 10 days, Graham can hopefully correct what he is doing wrong.
 
christian : 9/19/2021 9:31 am : link
I think there’s a fair argument that the Giants are missing Tomlinson, Hill, and Sheard, so I don’t agree the defensive personnel had no loses.
I’m torn  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2021 9:36 am : link
between “is the talent really improved”? And if so “is the coaching still sub-Par”.
I’ve thought coaching was the problem in this organization for a long time. Players over the years, just haven’t improved. Schemes don’t seem to fit the players. Philosophies on how to play offense and defense don’t seem to make sense and keep up with the times.
I’m not a Garrett fan, but I give him credit for quickly changing his approach and base the offense off RPO- because that plays to his QBs strengths. Hats good coaching. The defense, on the other hand, I can’t understand what the hell Graham is trying to do. He’s not taking away the run, he’s not covering the pass, he’s not aggressively going after the QB. Maybe the players are terrible a d not buying into what he’s selling. But almost 1000 yards I two weeks to Bridgewater and Heineke?
Someone help me understand. What am
I missing here. I’m just an armchair fan since 1966.
I remember the days of LT when BB philosophy was “see QB, smash QB”. Worked pretty well.
My dad is the same way  
The Jake : 9/19/2021 10:11 am : link
optimistic about the season until we’re mathematically eliminated.

That’s a byproduct of the Super Bowl wins in 07 and 11, in my opinion, which is hard to argue against!

But 15-35 under Gettleman is, too.
More interested to see growth/steps forward on each side of the ball  
BSIMatt : 9/19/2021 5:16 pm : link
Than just blindly regurgitating their won/loss record.

Showed glimpses of things on offense, knew it was going to be a work in progress getting all pieces worked back in and finding an identity on offense. They showed growth from game 1 to 2, but I know that growth won’t be linear, there will certainly be more bumps.

Defense getting off to slow start is surprising. Ojulari is flashing a bit though and I think edge pressure is the area where the Giants have tremendous room for improvement on defense, that is definitely Achilles heel right now. Doesn’t need to be sacks, just more consistent rush from outside. Tackles aren’t threatened enough, forces coordinator to rely on blitz for pressure. Ojulari flashing is encouraging, on a related note his little brother is off to a strong start at LSU this year with 4.5 sacks through 3 games.
RE: Let the optimist in me go back to the SB year of 2007.  
Les in TO : 9/19/2021 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15375948 Spider56 said:
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In their first 2 games, the defense gave up 80 points and almost 900 yards before getting it together in the 4th qtr of the 3rd game. If the turn around is coming, it will be this week ... the starters didn’t play enough in the preseason and the short week before the Skins game left no time for adjustments. Now with 10 days, Graham can hopefully correct what he is doing wrong.
that was the first year of a new defensive coordinator. This is year 2. The 2007 team had guys like Strahan Osi Tuck Pierce Madison McQuarters and Wilson - guys who could make a big stop or pick when the chips are down. We have no leaders like that on D
RE: More interested to see growth/steps forward on each side of the ball  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2021 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15376558 BSIMatt said:
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Than just blindly regurgitating their won/loss record.

Showed glimpses of things on offense, knew it was going to be a work in progress getting all pieces worked back in and finding an identity on offense. They showed growth from game 1 to 2, but I know that growth won’t be linear, there will certainly be more bumps.

Defense getting off to slow start is surprising. Ojulari is flashing a bit though and I think edge pressure is the area where the Giants have tremendous room for improvement on defense, that is definitely Achilles heel right now. Doesn’t need to be sacks, just more consistent rush from outside. Tackles aren’t threatened enough, forces coordinator to rely on blitz for pressure. Ojulari flashing is encouraging, on a related note his little brother is off to a strong start at LSU this year with 4.5 sacks through 3 games.

In terms of frequency, we're blitzing in the bottom half of the league (obviously small sample size here). Given the blitz frequency (or lack thereof) and the zone tendency, it seems like Graham doesn't trust his coverage for some reason.
I don’t think a win is guaranteed  
Giant John : 9/19/2021 7:23 pm : link
Against the birds. Didn’t take us long to own last place in the division either.
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