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Has anyone heard how Nick Gates is doing?

Since1965 : 9/18/2021 11:08 pm
Has he had surgery yet? Will he be okay long term?
He's had surgery.  
Mad Mike : 9/18/2021 11:23 pm : link
If you're asking if he'll have full use of his leg and be as "okay" as any of us, he should be. If you're asking if he'll be able to play pro football again, I think you have unrealistic expectations for what can be projected a day after surgery.
Has anyone actually seen what happened?  
Matt M. : 9/18/2021 11:33 pm : link
I didn't see anything in real time and they said during the broadcast it was so bad they wouldn't show a replay.
He’s already walking..  
Sean : 9/18/2021 11:35 pm : link
Posted on his Instagram story.
RE: Has anyone actually seen what happened?  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2021 12:02 am : link
In comment 15375861 Matt M. said:
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I didn't see anything in real time and they said during the broadcast it was so bad they wouldn't show a replay.


Yes. His leg was snapped in half by Price's defender when he whiffed on the block. His lower leg was snapped.
Yeah, he’s def walking  
Saos1n : 9/19/2021 12:04 am : link
2 days after. Insanity.

No telling how he’ll recover, but that’s a tough SOB. I don’t doubt him.

Wishing him a speedy recovery
It isn't hard to find some evidence of the injury  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2021 12:09 am : link
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Gruesome Injury - ( New Window )
Thanks to all for the info.  
TC : 9/19/2021 12:28 am : link
I hadn't known the exact nature of his injury either.

One of my favorite Giants. Love his effectiveness and demeanor.

I suspect his prognosis is dependent on a lot of things we can't assess; how badly the bones were splintered, how much and the nature of connective tissue and muscle damage. But if Suebert could come back after his leg exploded, I wouldn't write Gates off.
Needs to avoid infection  
trueblueinpw : 9/19/2021 12:54 am : link
As long as he avoids any infection he should recover nicely. I’m not a physician, and it purely speculation, aka, talking completely out of my ass, but as gruesome as these injuries are I think it’s possible to recover completely. Or, at least well enough to play again. We will all hope for the best!
RE: RE: Has anyone actually seen what happened?  
Brown_Hornet : 9/19/2021 1:20 am : link
In comment 15375872 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15375861 Matt M. said:


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I didn't see anything in real time and they said during the broadcast it was so bad they wouldn't show a replay.



Yes. His leg was snapped in half by Price's defender when he whiffed on the block. His lower leg was snapped.
This post reads as an assignment of blame. I don't know you personally and truly hope that this is unintended.
Richie Seubert  
section125 : 9/19/2021 7:26 am : link
part 2!

Get better Nick, see you next summer.
Gates is a champ.  
Optimus-NY : 9/19/2021 7:26 am : link
Wish all of our players were like him. Wish him nothing but the best,
RE: RE: RE: Has anyone actually seen what happened?  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2021 8:29 am : link
In comment 15375883 Brown_Hornet said:
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In comment 15375872 robbieballs2003 said:


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In comment 15375861 Matt M. said:


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I didn't see anything in real time and they said during the broadcast it was so bad they wouldn't show a replay.



Yes. His leg was snapped in half by Price's defender when he whiffed on the block. His lower leg was snapped.

This post reads as an assignment of blame. I don't know you personally and truly hope that this is unintended.


Personally, I hate moving a known factor at one position because the Giants can't figure shit out. People are verbally blowing the job Price did last game like it is a good thing what happened to Gates. People need to open their eyes and see what happened. I'm not saying Price did it on purpose. I know shit happens but Gates' injury is a direct result of choosing to move bodies around on the OL. Gates was not the same player at LG that ye was at C. He got driven way back on that play and others as well. Even look at the broadcast. I think it was Aikman who said Gates is a natural guard. He's not. Center is his position. He played very well last year and that was his spot. Maybe if he played G all camp this would be a different story but he just wasn't the same player at other positions. If he started at C then, imo, he's still healthy and playing for us unless this was just a Final Destination situation for him. Again, shit happens in the NFL but I didn't like the approach to switching him to guard to get worse at 2 positions instead of just one.
Look what happened to Seubert  
Simms11 : 9/19/2021 8:57 am : link
and he came back from it. These tough SOBs tend to work hard and come back. Gates was either in shock or numbed up coming off the field as he raised his arm and smiled.
Weren't Gates and Seubert both undrafted  
Ira : 9/19/2021 8:59 am : link
?
I remember debating on BBI  
mittenedman : 9/19/2021 8:59 am : link
how stupid it would be to move Gates from C if they theoretically signed another C.

Unfortunately, we had to find out.

As robbieballs stated above, just play Price at LG (Price has always been C/G versatile) and minimize the shuffling. The decision-making is questionable on this team and that's without 20/20 hindsight.
And to make matters worse...  
mittenedman : 9/19/2021 9:00 am : link
...Bredeson came in at LG after the injury and was "fine".

So they really didn't have to shuffle the line-up at all. Should've just played the better of Price or Bredeson at LG.
We saw the same shit with Diehl.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2021 9:06 am : link
Diehl played all over the place but when he switched positions mid year he struggled mightily. When they moved his position in the offseason and he was able to get the necessary reps there he played very well. Look at Pugh, when he was drafted the best thing that could be said for him was he was versatile. Imo, if you are drafting a guy in the first round his best attribute shouldn't be versatility. You want your starters entrenched in their role and the backups work around them. Playing the OL isn't the same as defense where guys rotate all over. That is what defensive players do all the time. They are constantly switching sides based on strengths and other factors. OL are creatures of habit in their positions. I will never be a fan of moving a starter on the OL mid season.
I don’t want to do the pretend Dr. thing  
BillT : 9/19/2021 9:27 am : link
But I’ve had this injury. Open tab/fib. As long as there is no infection or a delayed union (which I had) (took a year to heal) the recovery shouldn’t compromise him. Mine doesn’t.
tib/fib  
BillT : 9/19/2021 9:28 am : link
Ugh
We do not know why they  
section125 : 9/19/2021 10:29 am : link
moved Gates to LG and Price at C, vs Gates at C and Bredesen/Price at LG.
The decision was not made in a vacuum. The coaches had a reason. Was it playbook knowledge? Was it best 5 on the field(as Judge says often)? Was it the best cohesion they saw at practice?

Like the rest of you I don't think moving two players to fill in for one is a great idea. However, you cannot play the blame game here. It is a violent game and ugly injuries happen at the most inopportune times.
Shit happens and the position move was not the cause of the  
Spider56 : 9/19/2021 11:04 am : link
injury ... my guess is the move happened because Gates was a natural G playing well at center and Price is a natural center who hasn’t done all that well at Guard. The question I have is about Skura ... He and Bredeson have practiced side by side and he’s got experience. Maybe Price has more upside ... but with both of these guys on the roster ... we may finally be totally set at center and when Gates comes back he can be Richie 2.
Price is a C  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2021 11:11 am : link
not a G/C. He won the college Rimmington award as a C for a reason. Gates can be a very good G but asking him to switch with no practice time was a tall order.
I was wondering how he was doing. If he’s up walking already, I hope that means no nerve damage. If he avoids infection ( as was mentioned above,) he should be good for next season. He’s part of the solution on this line- somewhere. When he got some reps at guard during camp, he said he liked it. Price is 24, a 1st rd pick. Develop him, have Gates play guard and you have 3 of 5 good starters. With all the high picks next year, a good chance they can solve the other 2 spots.
RE: And to make matters worse...  
D HOS : 9/19/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15375934 mittenedman said:
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...Bredeson came in at LG after the injury and was "fine".

So they really didn't have to shuffle the line-up at all. Should've just played the better of Price or Bredeson at LG.


That right there was the correct move. Coaching blunder.
Brederson did NOT  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2021 11:21 am : link
look comfortable at LG against Denver. Judge felt moving Gates was the best move. Hindsight is 20-20. If he knew Brederson was going to play this well, he wouldn’t have moved Gates.
Gates was probably in there…,  
STLGiant : 9/19/2021 12:10 pm : link
Because the OC typically makes the OL blocking calls and perhaps they thought Price wasn’t ready playbook wise…

Then again, either the coaches were too conservative since post the Gates injury the OL looked as Sy noted “fine” lol…

Conservative…like Garrett’s play calling

Conservative…like Mara hiring Garrett…just in case Judge couldn’t make the jump from ST Coordinator to HC.

The mutual admiration society that is this ownership group failed awhile back when they allowed Chris Mara to have such an important role…

To paraphrase Parcells,
if you want me to cook, I ought to have a say in the groceries being bought…

Next 2 weeks after surgery very important with respect to infections  
Rick in Dallas : 9/19/2021 12:20 pm : link
I wish nothing but a speedy recovery for Gates. I know he wlll be a bulldog during his rehab and recovery period.It is his DNA...tough dude!!!
While I agree it seemed to make little sense moving Gates  
Matt M. : 9/19/2021 12:27 pm : link
from OC, where he was in the top 1/3 of the league last year (in my opinion). Bredesen is a natural OG. Gates is not and it was a short week. Price may be better at OC than OG, but it really should have been who they thought was the better of Price and Bredersen at LG, not a shuffle.

That said, with somebody new next to him, it's still possible he gets hurt. The injury is a freak incident and not really the result of being in a new position. It's not like LG is what hurt him.
I think the Gates injury is mostly bad luck  
Vanzetti : 9/19/2021 1:10 pm : link
But I also agree switching guys around week 2 is bad coaching. If Price is going to be the center, put him there during camp so the OL can get practice time together.

RE: I think the Gates injury is mostly bad luck  
Matt M. : 9/19/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15376137 Vanzetti said:
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But I also agree switching guys around week 2 is bad coaching. If Price is going to be the center, put him there during camp so the OL can get practice time together.
This makes no sense. Price wasn't there most of camp and this move was made in response to Lemieux's injury; it wasn't a shakeup or planned move.
Gates is walking already  
Face Pepler : 9/19/2021 4:23 pm : link
Saw this early today
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