I think the consensus from us fans and experts were; does this organization and coaching staff have any clue on how to use this talent. I know my fear stemmed from the overall conservativeness of this organization from top to bottom, not understanding how to get enough value out of this type of x-factor player who is explosives' but raw.
They would take a look at him in camp and scratch their heads because of the lack of polish (not the other distractions withstanding), and end up using every excuse in the book not to get him in a position to contribute. Now I know it is early, but it is clear that trust is a major issue, compounding that issue is a very risk adverse head coach and a very old school OC in which I see a very tenuous continuation of development for yet another 1st round draft pick.
That said, the way things are going, we'll have plenty more chances at high round picks, but unfortunately I don't see them using them wisely either.
Jones trusts Shepard and Slayton the most, knows how they run and where they will be. He seems to be picking up Rudolph. Next will be Golladay and then Toney. It would be really nice to see a double slot set - Slayton and Shepard on one side and Golladay and Toney on the other. And yes, Garrett needs to come up with plays (and end the jet sweep fascination) to utilize Toney.
Jones trusts Shepard and Slayton the most, knows how they run and where they will be. He seems to be picking up Rudolph. Next will be Golladay and then Toney. It would be really nice to see a double slot set - Slayton and Shepard on one side and Golladay and Toney on the other. And yes, Garrett needs to come up with plays (and end the jet sweep fascination) to utilize Toney.
Rare to read a rational and logical opinion on BBI. Thanks!
Judge has continually said Toney is doing everything the coaches have asked from him. So unless that is a lie, they must not be giving him much. There has got to be some way to get him more involved, even as mentioned on returns or some simple slot routes.
No one doubts he has physical tools. They doubt his desire, commitment and maturity.
Given the incumbents, it should be a given to put him back there. Whether or not he's ready at WR, he should be able to return kicks without much thought. Board is a mediocre KR and Peppers is solid and reliable at PR, but certainly not dynamic. If Toney can't even return kicks, I think it is very fair to question the pick.
...... His selection has Mara’s stink all over it.
Ha - what a silly ass thing to say. If anything, he would be the anti-Mara pick.
Get a grip Dave.
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...... His selection has Mara’s stink all over it.
Ha - what a silly ass thing to say. If anything, he would be the anti-Mara pick.
Get a grip Dave.
That said, the way things are going, we'll have plenty more chances at high round picks, but unfortunately I don't see them using them wisely either.
We are two games into a 17-game season. Odell Beckham Jr. didn't play the first four games of his rookie season and ended up being an impact player. I'm pretty confident Toney will play a lot — but not right away, since he missed so much of camp. The Giants always want their first-round pick on the field. It's just not going to happen at Internet speed.
He articulated my thoughts better than I did.
It doesn't work like that. There are pre- and post-snap reads and alterations based on coverage.
That said, the way things are going, we'll have plenty more chances at high round picks, but unfortunately I don't see them using them wisely either.
I have a gut feeling Tooney will not be here after year 2. May not be talent related- haven’t seen it yet. Theres just something about him that make me feel his heads not in this…..hope I’m wrong!
Hope I’m wrong
I think at least hope they add some wrinkles with the long break . With a limited regular running game time to implement some new concepts and Toney can help.
What do you think the reason is that Toney isn't even being used on returns? Patience is fine, but there are some indications that he's in the doghouse.
Fair. He was a returner in college though, and he's got open field explosiveness. Yet we're not using him on returns.
You can all deny this as much as you'd like, but something's up with this kid.
Peppers seems good at those things so I'm fine with him doing it. Punt returns have a lot of downside and infrequent upside
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the preseason right. WR is one of hardest position to learn in the NFL, and he spent this his rookie preseason on the sidelines and on the training table. I imagine he has a lot of catching up to do, and needs more work getting in sync with DJ.
Fair. He was a returner in college though, and he's got open field explosiveness. Yet we're not using him on returns.
You can all deny this as much as you'd like, but something's up with this kid.
+1!
Even Elijah Moore is getting playing time and he missed some time during preseason??
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This is probably more of Judge trying to prove points. Unless this guy is a Rubin Randel , he should be able to remember a few routes and they should have him out there
It doesn't work like that. There are pre- and post-snap reads and alterations based on coverage.
I’m sorry but no. Football isn’t rocket science. You’re telling me that he can’t understand option routes based on what the defense is showing him for a handful of plays? I don’t buy that for a second.
WR is a hard position to learn especially if you haven't had a lot of route experience.
Stop being a fucking know it all about every single thing and give the kid a few minutes in the NFL before you come crashing down on him. Hey - he's not Matt Patricia - everyone can't be great right away.
When a guy who is drafted at least partially for his return skills doesn't get trusted with "catch ball, do something positive" responsibilities, it's a pretty strong indication that the coaching staff has absolutely no trust in that player. And that's not an indictment, but it is an indication.
I don't know why there are some still here defending this; KT is very likely in Judge's doghouse for SOMETHING. We may never find out for what. But there's something up.