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CMC now hurt  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 3:35 pm : link
WTF is happening, why so many guys, especially stars getting injured?
RE: ......  
Giantfan21 : 9/19/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15376368 Route 9 said:
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Patience is needed ... Oh we've been waiting patiently


Not really. I have seen more people saying they want to move on from Jones and start over then those saying the opposite.

Jones biggets issue was/is his fumbles but objectively he is getting better at that and if he fixes that issue completely he is a starting Qb in the league. How good is TBD.

CMC is fine  
Producer : 9/19/2021 3:39 pm : link
and I need him to be as I have him on 2 of my 3 fantasy teams.
RE: RE: Watching Burrow and Wilson today  
Giantfan21 : 9/19/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15376375 HomerJones45 said:
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And people want to complain about Jones lol .

Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed

Wilson is playing in his second game of his NFL career. Burrow is playing in his 12th. Both were drafted by the worst teams in the NFL (and psoters complain about Jones' offensive line). Jones just played in his 28th on a team that just spent 200+ million on players. Let's be just a little bit objective, shall we.


Jones is in the beginning of his 3rd season. He is still a young QB in the league .

And newsflash...Jones was drafted by the absolute worst team in the NFL record wise the last 5 years. Let's be a little objective how bad this team personnel has been and continues to be
Another scumbag Eagles player  
rebel yell : 9/19/2021 3:43 pm : link
hammered Sermon helmet to helmet. Looked bad for the kid.
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 3:44 pm : link
Not just Jones.

But yeah this team has sucked ass for 9 years, despite you guys not liking basic numbers that prove this.

Jones did play a good game vs Washington, that's for sure but what's he now? 8-19 as a starter? 8-20? It's not as if it's hard to score points in the NFL, with Jones, they haven't been able to do much scoring.

Then again, I'm sure if that number was 8-42 as a starter you'd still be telling us we need to be patient and how it logically takes 12 years to rebuild when at the same time, teams who were bad for a year or two make it to the playoffs and Super Bowl while we wait for the Giants to reach .500.
Fields with a bad INT  
jeff57 : 9/19/2021 3:46 pm : link
Bengals within 3.
Fields keeping Bengals in game, guess coach wasn’t craxy  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 3:46 pm : link
For going with Dalton to start.
Why on earth would you compare Jones, a third-year player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2021 3:47 pm : link
to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.





Damn! Bengals making a late rally  
Anakim : 9/19/2021 3:48 pm : link
GO BENGALS
Burrow  
OBJRoyal : 9/19/2021 3:48 pm : link
Leading them back
RE: Why on earth would you compare Jones, a third-year player  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15376390 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.






I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
Wents hurt  
jeff57 : 9/19/2021 3:51 pm : link
Eason throws INT. Rams should win it.
RE: Another scumbag Eagles player  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15376384 rebel yell said:
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hammered Sermon helmet to helmet. Looked bad for the kid.


Quoting his record while at the same time including the latest loss which by all objective standards was not on him, if anything he was their best player Thursday demonstrates the folly of using won loss record when evaluating a quarterback

Archie Manning is probably one of the all time losing quarterbacks, but by many standards he was pretty good
I don’t understand what the 49ers defense was doing that  
cosmicj : 9/19/2021 3:52 pm : link
Last drive.
RE: RE: Why on earth would you compare Jones, a third-year player  
Producer : 9/19/2021 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15376395 Zeke's Alibi said:
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to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.








I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.


Burrow generally looks better than Jones. Much better. Nobody in the NFL would give you Burrow for Jones.
Dammit that Fields run for 1st down  
Giantfan21 : 9/19/2021 3:53 pm : link
might have clinched the game for the Bears
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 3:53 pm : link
Touchdown Birds
Damn Niners  
rebel yell : 9/19/2021 3:54 pm : link
are going to fuck this game away.
The Eagles ran outside near the goal line???????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2021 3:55 pm : link
Someone tell Jason Garrett that it’s allowed now.
Burrow played 6 games last year! Holy shit  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 3:55 pm : link
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Texans fans were screaming for Mills before season  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 3:56 pm : link
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Big 49ers play coming up  
cosmicj : 9/19/2021 3:56 pm : link
.
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 3:57 pm : link
Funny how quickly Philly scored so quickly
Yes! Nice  
rebel yell : 9/19/2021 3:59 pm : link
job Niners!
Should do it  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 4:00 pm : link
But I don’t know if Garapolo got that play off in time
RE: Why on earth would you compare Jones, a third-year player  
k2tampa : 9/19/2021 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15376390 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.





Okay, compare Jones’ rookie numbers to Burrows and the rookies.
James Winston  
Producer : 9/19/2021 4:02 pm : link
is who we thought he was. Forget last week.
RE: RE: Why on earth would you compare Jones, a third-year player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2021 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15376395 Zeke's Alibi said:
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to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.








I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.


Anybody that gets drafted that high is going to be "crowned" as you say. The guy had a legendary college run. Every #1 overall gets a lot of media attention. Media went nuts over Jones after the Tampa game in year 1. If the warts hadn't shown in his game they'd still be on him.
RE: RE: Watching the QB play in the league...  
EricJ : 9/19/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15376275 Producer said:
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and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).



There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.


I think you are throwing the word "great" around willy nilly my friend.

I am going to reserve the term "great" when referring to QBs who are CURRENTLY PLAYING AT a HALL OF FAME LEVEL.

I think you need to step it down to "very good" for some of the guys you may be referring to.

Let's not lower the bar on greatness.
RE: I don’t understand what the 49ers defense was doing that  
bluesince56 : 9/19/2021 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15376398 cosmicj said:
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Last drive.


Imitating the Giants defense
Seems more teams are wearing white nowadays  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 4:06 pm : link
Maybe Giants should too
RE: RE: RE: Watching the QB play in the league...  
Producer : 9/19/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15376424 EricJ said:
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and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).



There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.



I think you are throwing the word "great" around willy nilly my friend.

I am going to reserve the term "great" when referring to QBs who are CURRENTLY PLAYING AT a HALL OF FAME LEVEL.

I think you need to step it down to "very good" for some of the guys you may be referring to.

Let's not lower the bar on greatness.


The guy's point was that QB play quality is bad. And my point is that there are a lot of excellent QBs. There is never 8 QBs playing at a Hall of Fame level. So if that's your standard then there are only 4right now. But generally QB play is better than ever before. and Daniel Jones is out of that conversation of best -8/10. Far out of it.
Dionte  
Toth029 : 9/19/2021 4:14 pm : link
Johnson hurt on a meaningless play for Pittsburgh.
RE: The Eagles had a chance to put a bit of a stranglehold on this game  
Eman11 : 9/19/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15376354 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.


I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.

That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
I'm not on the Jones bandwagon  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 4:21 pm : link
but the hate on him can enter over the top category. I feel like a lot of us underestimate just how good of a rookie season Daniel Jones had. Lots of turnovers for sure but just on offensive production, it was definitely one of the best ones in modern history. Jones has been better than Burrow since entering the league and yet look how different the narratives are between the two. If Jones has never had as bad of a game as Wilson and Burrow had today, if he did, BBI will riot, maybe shut down.
Brandon Graham out for the year  
Strahan91 : 9/19/2021 4:22 pm : link
Torn Achilles. Brutal
Fournette is a bull  
Producer : 9/19/2021 4:22 pm : link
but he's a slooooowww bull.
RE: RE: The Eagles had a chance to put a bit of a stranglehold on this game  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15376444 Eman11 said:
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Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.



I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.

That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.


Than you make them drive the length of the field. A 6-0 lead does nothing for your team psychologically. The Eagles defense gave up a ridiculous drive after that, but that’s not the point. When you have a chance to go up an extra possession you always take it.
Tom Brady has seriously  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 4:24 pm : link
mastered the screen pass. Every year, whatever team he's on, the screen pass in unstoppable. Do the Giants ever run screen passes? It'd be nice.
RE: I'm not on the Jones bandwagon  
Producer : 9/19/2021 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15376449 shadow_spinner0 said:
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but the hate on him can enter over the top category. I feel like a lot of us underestimate just how good of a rookie season Daniel Jones had. Lots of turnovers for sure but just on offensive production, it was definitely one of the best ones in modern history. Jones has been better than Burrow since entering the league and yet look how different the narratives are between the two. If Jones has never had as bad of a game as Wilson and Burrow had today, if he did, BBI will riot, maybe shut down.


you are overrating Jones' rookie season. It was not some phenomenal record breaking season. Passing stats are way up in this era. Herbert thrashed Jones' numbers a year later. Burrow was better than Jones in his rook season.
oh no!  
Producer : 9/19/2021 4:26 pm : link
Brady got hit...
RE: RE: RE: The Eagles had a chance to put a bit of a stranglehold on this game  
Eman11 : 9/19/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15376452 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15376354 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.



I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.

That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.



Than you make them drive the length of the field. A 6-0 lead does nothing for your team psychologically. The Eagles defense gave up a ridiculous drive after that, but that’s not the point. When you have a chance to go up an extra possession you always take it.


Agree to disagree.

Like I said they didn’t do anything with the first three downs so I would’ve taken the points. It wasn’t like they had three solid gains and moving closer. They were stuffed three times in a row.

It was early and just tacking on points and coming away with something would’ve been a positive.

To me it’s almost like going for two early or when you don’t have to. You miss and you always seem to be chasing those points.

We just have a different take on it and no biggie. Either way I’m glad they didn’t get any points and took one on the chin today.
Jones looks better in an open offense  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 4:28 pm : link
I think last year also Jones had almost all of his TDs when we went out of 11 personnel and most of his INTs when there were 2 or more TEs on the field. The year before under Shurmur, Jones had 24 passing TDs in 12 games and Shurmur ran 11 personnel like 85% of the time.

You let Jones spread the ball out, have options of going deep and underneath on the same play and he looks like a very competent QB.
As much as I would like Cowboys to lose  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 4:31 pm : link
I need Zeke to pull his head out of his ass and have a big game. Cooper I have in another team I would love a repeat performance of last week.
RE: Another scumbag Eagles player  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/19/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15376384 rebel yell said:
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hammered Sermon helmet to helmet. Looked bad for the kid.


That Eagles team are a bunch of cheapshot dirtbags. I hope that scumbag gets a suspension, or the Eagles get fined big time for that hit. I hate that team more than any team in pro sports.
RE: As much as I would like Cowboys to lose  
Eman11 : 9/19/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15376473 shadow_spinner0 said:
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I need Zeke to pull his head out of his ass and have a big game. Cooper I have in another team I would love a repeat performance of last week.


And this is exactly why I can’t and won’t do fantasy football.
RE: RE: As much as I would like Cowboys to lose  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/19/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15376499 Eman11 said:
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I need Zeke to pull his head out of his ass and have a big game. Cooper I have in another team I would love a repeat performance of last week.



And this is exactly why I can’t and won’t do fantasy football.

I agree 100%, I could never root for the Eagles or Cowboys players in any way!
We have to beat the Falcons  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 4:54 pm : link
They are the worst team in Football. They looked like crap against the Eagles and are gonna be run out of Florida against the Bucs.
RE: We have to beat the Falcons  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15376517 shadow_spinner0 said:
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They are the worst team in Football. They looked like crap against the Eagles and are gonna be run out of Florida against the Bucs.


Honestly this could be a game but their coach is an idiot. That defense is really bad though.
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