I can't tell you how much my interest in the league wanes when the Giants suck.
Yep....i really could not care less about any games today. i usually go to the bar on Sunday's.....my ass will be on my recliner (as it is now) and watch the Yankees.
God I hope Eagles get smoked because if they win this one, they may actually be for real.
I really bought in to the hype that the Eagles were the worst team in the NFC East, but they remain pretty solid on the O line, and their defense front is still pretty good, we ll see.
I just don’t get the fascination with Hurts he’s limited
God I hope Eagles get smoked because if they win this one, they may actually be for real.
I really bought in to the hype that the Eagles were the worst team in the NFC East, but they remain pretty solid on the O line, and their defense front is still pretty good, we ll see.
I think they are a team that fades, they are pretty old.
Cmon, BB has his way with rookie QBs regardless who they are. Second year QBs too, Tuas stay line was better than his actual on field performance last week apparently.
But he is definitely one of the top-32. He can put together a few good games. His problem has always been he plays a conservative game. Rarely takes big chances. Very limited upside.
Really not feeling good about my Browns survivor pick today. Yikes.
Ditto
I thought about laying the points, but I feel as if Ewing theory in full effect with that team right now, won’t bet against them until that dissipates.
Are everything we wish we were. They play with heart, they are the overlooked and underrated team. We are the new worst franchise in the NFL, we tool over the Browns position. We are the bottom of the barrel. L
But he is definitely one of the top-32. He can put together a few good games. His problem has always been he plays a conservative game. Rarely takes big chances. Very limited upside.
Feeling that’s where Tuas career is heading. Journeyman starter type because oh his conservatism.
Are everything we wish we were. They play with heart, they are the overlooked and underrated team. We are the new worst franchise in the NFL, we tool over the Browns position. We are the bottom of the barrel. L
You do realize west coast teams struggle to get off the bus for 1pm starts. Let’s see how second half plays out. They are also old, lots of potential to fade regardless how they start.
But he is definitely one of the top-32. He can put together a few good games. His problem has always been he plays a conservative game. Rarely takes big chances. Very limited upside.
Feeling that’s where Tuas career is heading. Journeyman starter type because oh his conservatism.
interesting comparison! Could be.
Tyrod will always play because he's better than the very worst starting QB in the league. He's be like Fitzmagic and play for like 16 teams before he retires.
decision by the Eagles to go for it on fourth and goal. Kick the FG. It's a low scoring game so far. Points are precious. You also just had a 90 yard pass to get into the red zone.
decision by the Eagles to go for it on fourth and goal. Kick the FG. It's a low scoring game so far. Points are precious. You also just had a 90 yard pass to get into the red zone.
No way…you go up two possessions. Going up 6-0 does nothing for you.
decision by the Eagles to go for it on fourth and goal. Kick the FG. It's a low scoring game so far. Points are precious. You also just had a 90 yard pass to get into the red zone.
No way…you go up two possessions. Going up 6-0 does nothing for you.
Don't agree. SF has done nothing all day on offense, and I'd want sure points after completely flipping the field with a 90 yard pass. 6-0 also means I'd just need a FG to regain the lead if SF scored a TD.
One more example why it s futile going through a schedule sayin things like winnable.
After last week, I would have felt Saints represented a tougher future opponent that the Panthers
It s the NFL, no easy games and no game unwinnable
So true .. the NFL changes so much year to year. We aren't very good at deciding which offenses will be good and worse figuring out which defenses will be good.
it seems it's an organizational issue when draft picks become busts. It seems for both Giants and Jets, no matter who they pick they underwhelm. Darnold had promise yet was driven out of town and looks better on another team. Wilson looks like crap so far so I wonder whether this is more of a Jets issue than the player. Same goes for the Giants. I say this acknowledging Jones has looked good the first two games and Thomas is trending up but historically it's an issue.
Have you guys ever played sports? You know how hard it
is to get your body going in a sport like football at 10am? Your VO2 max is shit. Peak physical performance for anaerobic/aerobic mix is actually right around 4pm.
Every decision we make is the wrong one. Coaches, players, GMs. Whatever we do is just not gonna work out.
Look at Carolina. We could’ve had Rhule but we chose against it. Now he’s actually improving that team. He made progress from year 1 to year 2 (something that just seems impossible for us for some reason). Matt Rhule has somehow made Darnold a real QB in a single offseason
Every decision we make is the wrong one. Coaches, players, GMs. Whatever we do is just not gonna work out.
Look at Carolina. We could’ve had Rhule but we chose against it. Now he’s actually improving that team. He made progress from year 1 to year 2 (something that just seems impossible for us for some reason). Matt Rhule has somehow made Darnold a real QB in a single offseason
Bad thing about living in NY is that I'd rather watch other more appealing games like Pitt/LV or the Browns game yet I'm stuck watching two boring teams in the Jets and Patriots.
and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
He has the legs for it, why doesn't he? The OL has been better this year but still I never seen him scramble and try to extend plays. The most he'll do is find a hole up the middle and run which is good but he never moves side to side to avoid tacklers. Is it true Garrett teaches staying in the pocket? I get it worked in Dallas with that wall but on the Giants with a sus OL he has to give Jones more freedom to extend plays.
and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
Brady, Mahommes, Rogers are about all I can count. Who am I missing that is mostly great?
as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
it seems it's an organizational issue when draft picks become busts. It seems for both Giants and Jets, no matter who they pick they underwhelm. Darnold had promise yet was driven out of town and looks better on another team. Wilson looks like crap so far so I wonder whether this is more of a Jets issue than the player. Same goes for the Giants. I say this acknowledging Jones has looked good the first two games and Thomas is trending up but historically it's an issue.
Sam Darnold was another QB who was put in a no win situation similar to Jones first 2 years. Be careful what you wish for with Jones.
and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
Brady, Mahommes, Rogers are about all I can count. Who am I missing that is mostly great?
Maybe Wilson, but even him declined the second half of last season (including his stinker against us). Overall those are the only 3 who will be consistent all year. Allen needs to prove last year wasn't a fluke.
as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
Mike Vick on ESPN said it was Jones' fault because he didn't put that throw to Slayton in the bread basket. I suggest Mike Vick go back and look at the All 22 and watch the DL directly in his face while make that throw...
How is it possible that Damien was able to get yards, inconceivable
You mean RB are allowed to gain yards even after contact ? Wouldn't know after Watching Barkley fall immediately to the ground the second someone puts a fingernail on him
Brady, Mahommes, Rogers are about all I can count. Who am I missing that is mostly great?
Russell Wilson? Allen?
I like Allen, I think Wilson is debatable at this point. However even with both of them its only up to 5. My point is BBI seems to think there are plenty of these guys around, there aren't. Jones game last week was as good as anyone outside of the top few. He just needs to keep it up
RE: RE: RE: Waiting for the criticism on Zach Wilson to begin
as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
Mike Vick on ESPN said it was Jones' fault because he didn't put that throw to Slayton in the bread basket. I suggest Mike Vick go back and look at the All 22 and watch the DL directly in his face while make that throw...
Not only that, But Slayton slowed down 1st . No idea what Vick was watching on that play. Also, Slayton admitted he should have dove for it as well
Just bizarre to even think about criticizing Jones who gave the Giants 350 totla yards with 0 turnovers while the Defense played like shit, Barkley continues to do nothing, Coaching was terrible, and Lawrence was wrongfully called for an offside that cost them the game on the last play
as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
Mike Vick on ESPN said it was Jones' fault because he didn't put that throw to Slayton in the bread basket. I suggest Mike Vick go back and look at the All 22 and watch the DL directly in his face while make that throw...
Not only that, But Slayton slowed down 1st . No idea what Vick was watching on that play. Also, Slayton admitted he should have dove for it as well
Just bizarre to even think about criticizing Jones who gave the Giants 350 totla yards with 0 turnovers while the Defense played like shit, Barkley continues to do nothing, Coaching was terrible, and Lawrence was wrongfully called for an offside that cost them the game on the last play
Vick s statement just another example of a narrative created by the number of turnovers Jones has made
The group think crowd sees him through a negative prism to the point they would conclude such a perspective on a pass that is caught 95% of the time by competent NFO receivers
RE: How did Philly find its next cornerstone LT in the
I’m not, I mean the damn Jets beat the Rams last year at 1pm.
Nope. That game was in Los Angeles.
And last time Rams played the Giants at 1 pm, the final score was 51-17.
And the Giants didn't have the 51.
That’s because McVay had been waiting for that moment for a lifetime it seems. Sure he still has it circled, but not with the gusto of his first bite at the Apple. Regardless west coast teams are notoriously sleepy through the first half of football games though. Although I think McVays teams are the exception but I’m not sure.
1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
First as usual you go personal. No reason to be a jerk. Second, Prescott/Stafford/Murray/Herbert/Jackson are not "mostly great" in my opinion.
sorry you thought it was personal. I apologize.
How is Lamar not great? Three years in the league, wins tons of games, playoffs every year, won an MVP.
To be honest, of your list Jackson was the one I went back and forth on. But not yet in my opinion. I've seen a lot of clunkers from him. More than the other guys. Still its a small set of top QB's even with him in the list.
My overall opinion/point is that if Jones game vs Wash is his "new normal" (to use an overused term), then he would be a top 10-ish QB in the league. Thats a big if, but I just don't think the jury is out on him yet
1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
First as usual you go personal. No reason to be a jerk. Second, Prescott/Stafford/Murray/Herbert/Jackson are not "mostly great" in my opinion.
sorry you thought it was personal. I apologize.
How is Lamar not great? Three years in the league, wins tons of games, playoffs every year, won an MVP.
To be honest, of your list Jackson was the one I went back and forth on. But not yet in my opinion. I've seen a lot of clunkers from him. More than the other guys. Still its a small set of top QB's even with him in the list.
My overall opinion/point is that if Jones game vs Wash is his "new normal" (to use an overused term), then he would be a top 10-ish QB in the league. Thats a big if, but I just don't think the jury is out on him yet
If Daniel Jones rushes for 100 yards every week, he will easily be a top-10 QB. But he won't and he will be lucky to be top-15
Jones has loked good the first two weeks, this week one of the best games I've seem him play. I look at other QB's simply having terrible games. Jones has never looked as bad as Wilson is looking today. Burrow is looking like crap today. Lawrence has looked fine but growing pains. However Jones as looked pretty good, especially against a good defensive team in WFT. So at least no one can say he's the worst QB in the league anymore. He's far from our biggest problems.
Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed
Wilson is playing in his second game of his NFL career. Burrow is playing in his 12th. Both were drafted by the worst teams in the NFL (and psoters complain about Jones' offensive line). Jones just played in his 28th on a team that just spent 200+ million on players. Let's be just a little bit objective, shall we.
Patience is needed ... Oh we've been waiting patiently
Not really. I have seen more people saying they want to move on from Jones and start over then those saying the opposite.
Jones biggets issue was/is his fumbles but objectively he is getting better at that and if he fixes that issue completely he is a starting Qb in the league. How good is TBD.
Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed
Wilson is playing in his second game of his NFL career. Burrow is playing in his 12th. Both were drafted by the worst teams in the NFL (and psoters complain about Jones' offensive line). Jones just played in his 28th on a team that just spent 200+ million on players. Let's be just a little bit objective, shall we.
Jones is in the beginning of his 3rd season. He is still a young QB in the league .
And newsflash...Jones was drafted by the absolute worst team in the NFL record wise the last 5 years. Let's be a little objective how bad this team personnel has been and continues to be
But yeah this team has sucked ass for 9 years, despite you guys not liking basic numbers that prove this.
Jones did play a good game vs Washington, that's for sure but what's he now? 8-19 as a starter? 8-20? It's not as if it's hard to score points in the NFL, with Jones, they haven't been able to do much scoring.
Then again, I'm sure if that number was 8-42 as a starter you'd still be telling us we need to be patient and how it logically takes 12 years to rebuild when at the same time, teams who were bad for a year or two make it to the playoffs and Super Bowl while we wait for the Giants to reach .500.
I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
hammered Sermon helmet to helmet. Looked bad for the kid.
Quoting his record while at the same time including the latest loss which by all objective standards was not on him, if anything he was their best player Thursday demonstrates the folly of using won loss record when evaluating a quarterback
Archie Manning is probably one of the all time losing quarterbacks, but by many standards he was pretty good
I don’t understand what the 49ers defense was doing that
I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
Burrow generally looks better than Jones. Much better. Nobody in the NFL would give you Burrow for Jones.
I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
Anybody that gets drafted that high is going to be "crowned" as you say. The guy had a legendary college run. Every #1 overall gets a lot of media attention. Media went nuts over Jones after the Tampa game in year 1. If the warts hadn't shown in his game they'd still be on him.
and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
I think you are throwing the word "great" around willy nilly my friend.
I am going to reserve the term "great" when referring to QBs who are CURRENTLY PLAYING AT a HALL OF FAME LEVEL.
I think you need to step it down to "very good" for some of the guys you may be referring to.
Let's not lower the bar on greatness.
RE: I don’t understand what the 49ers defense was doing that
and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
I think you are throwing the word "great" around willy nilly my friend.
I am going to reserve the term "great" when referring to QBs who are CURRENTLY PLAYING AT a HALL OF FAME LEVEL.
I think you need to step it down to "very good" for some of the guys you may be referring to.
Let's not lower the bar on greatness.
The guy's point was that QB play quality is bad. And my point is that there are a lot of excellent QBs. There is never 8 QBs playing at a Hall of Fame level. So if that's your standard then there are only 4right now. But generally QB play is better than ever before. and Daniel Jones is out of that conversation of best -8/10. Far out of it.
Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.
I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.
That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
but the hate on him can enter over the top category. I feel like a lot of us underestimate just how good of a rookie season Daniel Jones had. Lots of turnovers for sure but just on offensive production, it was definitely one of the best ones in modern history. Jones has been better than Burrow since entering the league and yet look how different the narratives are between the two. If Jones has never had as bad of a game as Wilson and Burrow had today, if he did, BBI will riot, maybe shut down.
Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.
I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.
That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
Than you make them drive the length of the field. A 6-0 lead does nothing for your team psychologically. The Eagles defense gave up a ridiculous drive after that, but that’s not the point. When you have a chance to go up an extra possession you always take it.
but the hate on him can enter over the top category. I feel like a lot of us underestimate just how good of a rookie season Daniel Jones had. Lots of turnovers for sure but just on offensive production, it was definitely one of the best ones in modern history. Jones has been better than Burrow since entering the league and yet look how different the narratives are between the two. If Jones has never had as bad of a game as Wilson and Burrow had today, if he did, BBI will riot, maybe shut down.
you are overrating Jones' rookie season. It was not some phenomenal record breaking season. Passing stats are way up in this era. Herbert thrashed Jones' numbers a year later. Burrow was better than Jones in his rook season.
Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.
I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.
That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
Than you make them drive the length of the field. A 6-0 lead does nothing for your team psychologically. The Eagles defense gave up a ridiculous drive after that, but that’s not the point. When you have a chance to go up an extra possession you always take it.
Agree to disagree.
Like I said they didn’t do anything with the first three downs so I would’ve taken the points. It wasn’t like they had three solid gains and moving closer. They were stuffed three times in a row.
It was early and just tacking on points and coming away with something would’ve been a positive.
To me it’s almost like going for two early or when you don’t have to. You miss and you always seem to be chasing those points.
We just have a different take on it and no biggie. Either way I’m glad they didn’t get any points and took one on the chin today.
I think last year also Jones had almost all of his TDs when we went out of 11 personnel and most of his INTs when there were 2 or more TEs on the field. The year before under Shurmur, Jones had 24 passing TDs in 12 games and Shurmur ran 11 personnel like 85% of the time.
You let Jones spread the ball out, have options of going deep and underneath on the same play and he looks like a very competent QB.
hammered Sermon helmet to helmet. Looked bad for the kid.
That Eagles team are a bunch of cheapshot dirtbags. I hope that scumbag gets a suspension, or the Eagles get fined big time for that hit. I hate that team more than any team in pro sports.
OBJ is inactive again for the Browns.
If you play fantasy football the Falcons are horrible vs TE's, might be a good place to play Gronk.
Same here. I felt the same way in the 70’s.
Yep....i really could not care less about any games today. i usually go to the bar on Sunday's.....my ass will be on my recliner (as it is now) and watch the Yankees.
tomorrow
I really bought in to the hype that the Eagles were the worst team in the NFC East, but they remain pretty solid on the O line, and their defense front is still pretty good, we ll see.
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I really bought in to the hype that the Eagles were the worst team in the NFC East, but they remain pretty solid on the O line, and their defense front is still pretty good, we ll see.
I think they are a team that fades, they are pretty old.
Yes
Back now.
Cmon, BB has his way with rookie QBs regardless who they are. Second year QBs too, Tuas stay line was better than his actual on field performance last week apparently.
Looked like maybe his right shoulder.
Hit was by Epenesa.
Romo was comparing him to Mahomes...
well the 2nd one should be caught by an nfl wr
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well the 2nd one should be caught by an nfl wr
Not an easy catch, it was high
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well the 2nd one should be caught by an nfl wr
Not an easy catch, it was high
it was an easier catch than Slayton's "drop" in the end zone.
He's on pace to throw 41 interceptions this year
Expected Eagles to win today
Eagles defense is smothering them.
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Two picks in two possessions
well the 2nd one should be caught by an nfl wr
Not an easy catch, it was high
it was an easier catch than Slayton's "drop" in the end zone.
And he had a wide open receiver right in front of him. I’m not a huge Jones fan but he would have been crucified
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Two picks in two possessions
well the 2nd one should be caught by an nfl wr
Not an easy catch, it was high
it was an easier catch than Slayton's "drop" in the end zone.
And he had a wide open receiver right in front of him. I’m not a huge Jones fan but he would have been crucified
it was an ill-advised throw, even if it should have been caught. You guys know it's his second game, right?
I wouldn’t read to much into this until the second half. West coast teams notoriously struggle with 1pm starts.
At least the Colts have an OL to justify it, although Reich should adjust when Donald is making plays all over.
Don’t remember when, but think it was during the Simms era
That has happened?
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and his 350 total yards vs Washington.
That has happened?
Fake narrative. Everyone knows Jones is superior
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Really not feeling good about my Browns survivor pick today. Yikes.
Ditto
I thought about laying the points, but I feel as if Ewing theory in full effect with that team right now, won’t bet against them until that dissipates.
Feeling that’s where Tuas career is heading. Journeyman starter type because oh his conservatism.
You do realize west coast teams struggle to get off the bus for 1pm starts. Let’s see how second half plays out. They are also old, lots of potential to fade regardless how they start.
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But he is definitely one of the top-32. He can put together a few good games. His problem has always been he plays a conservative game. Rarely takes big chances. Very limited upside.
Feeling that’s where Tuas career is heading. Journeyman starter type because oh his conservatism.
interesting comparison! Could be.
Tyrod will always play because he's better than the very worst starting QB in the league. He's be like Fitzmagic and play for like 16 teams before he retires.
From own 2 to sf 6, on first down!
From own 2 to sf 6, on first down!
That is good coaching!!!
But already 3 rd and goal. Keep them to fg
Eagles dominating and only up 3
49 ers need to get this ball out of the shadows
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From own 2 to sf 6, on first down!
Eagles stopped on 4th down trick play.
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Eagles stopped on 4th down trick play. That's NOT good coaching. :)
No way…you go up two possessions. Going up 6-0 does nothing for you.
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decision by the Eagles to go for it on fourth and goal. Kick the FG. It's a low scoring game so far. Points are precious. You also just had a 90 yard pass to get into the red zone.
No way…you go up two possessions. Going up 6-0 does nothing for you.
Don't agree. SF has done nothing all day on offense, and I'd want sure points after completely flipping the field with a 90 yard pass. 6-0 also means I'd just need a FG to regain the lead if SF scored a TD.
One more example why it s futile going through a schedule sayin things like winnable.
After last week, I would have felt Saints represented a tougher future opponent that the Panthers
It s the NFL, no easy games and no game unwinnable
I think you are overstating this west coast 1pm thing.
One more example why it s futile going through a schedule sayin things like winnable.
After last week, I would have felt Saints represented a tougher future opponent that the Panthers
It s the NFL, no easy games and no game unwinnable
So true .. the NFL changes so much year to year. We aren't very good at deciding which offenses will be good and worse figuring out which defenses will be good.
One more example why it s futile going through a schedule sayin things like winnable.
After last week, I would have felt Saints represented a tougher future opponent that the Panthers
It s the NFL, no easy games and no game unwinnable
Darnold looking damn good today.
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advantage of that while you can…second half is completely different story and just took 49ers live plus 2.5.
I think you are overstating this west coast 1pm thing.
I’m not, I mean the damn Jets beat the Rams last year at 1pm.
Darnold is good as you are seeing.
Look at Carolina. We could’ve had Rhule but we chose against it. Now he’s actually improving that team. He made progress from year 1 to year 2 (something that just seems impossible for us for some reason). Matt Rhule has somehow made Darnold a real QB in a single offseason
7-3 SF. What a turn around
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if Sam Darnold turns out to be good. I doubt it but it would be funny.
Darnold is good as you are seeing.
He’s better than last week. He did good not turning the ball over but every pass was like 5 yards.
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if Sam Darnold turns out to be good. I doubt it but it would be funny.
Darnold is good as you are seeing.
we'll see. He still ahs terrible lower body mechanics, a weird motion and terribly inconsistent.
Look at Carolina. We could’ve had Rhule but we chose against it. Now he’s actually improving that team. He made progress from year 1 to year 2 (something that just seems impossible for us for some reason). Matt Rhule has somehow made Darnold a real QB in a single offseason
Only matters if he would bring Joe Brady.
Guy is getting a HC gig next year.
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
Darnold off to a good start. Always liked Rhule. If we don't start winning and Carolina does it will certainly be talked about.
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and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
Brady, Mahommes, Rogers are about all I can count. Who am I missing that is mostly great?
Are you serious? Was he literally crying??
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if Sam Darnold turns out to be good. I doubt it but it would be funny.
Darnold is good as you are seeing.
we'll see. He still ahs terrible lower body mechanics, a weird motion and terribly inconsistent.
They said that about Brett Farve too.
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
This is correct.
Sam Darnold was another QB who was put in a no win situation similar to Jones first 2 years. Be careful what you wish for with Jones.
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and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
Brady, Mahommes, Rogers are about all I can count. Who am I missing that is mostly great?
Maybe Wilson, but even him declined the second half of last season (including his stinker against us). Overall those are the only 3 who will be consistent all year. Allen needs to prove last year wasn't a fluke.
Russell Wilson? Allen?
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as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
Mike Vick on ESPN said it was Jones' fault because he didn't put that throw to Slayton in the bread basket. I suggest Mike Vick go back and look at the All 22 and watch the DL directly in his face while make that throw...
You mean RB are allowed to gain yards even after contact ? Wouldn't know after Watching Barkley fall immediately to the ground the second someone puts a fingernail on him
Well that’s no surprise and why you should crown old teams after 6 quarters of football (plus all the other reasons)
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Brady, Mahommes, Rogers are about all I can count. Who am I missing that is mostly great?
Russell Wilson? Allen?
I like Allen, I think Wilson is debatable at this point. However even with both of them its only up to 5. My point is BBI seems to think there are plenty of these guys around, there aren't. Jones game last week was as good as anyone outside of the top few. He just needs to keep it up
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as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
Mike Vick on ESPN said it was Jones' fault because he didn't put that throw to Slayton in the bread basket. I suggest Mike Vick go back and look at the All 22 and watch the DL directly in his face while make that throw...
Not only that, But Slayton slowed down 1st . No idea what Vick was watching on that play. Also, Slayton admitted he should have dove for it as well
Just bizarre to even think about criticizing Jones who gave the Giants 350 totla yards with 0 turnovers while the Defense played like shit, Barkley continues to do nothing, Coaching was terrible, and Lawrence was wrongfully called for an offside that cost them the game on the last play
1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
First as usual you go personal. No reason to be a jerk. Second, Prescott/Stafford/Murray/Herbert/Jackson are not "mostly great" in my opinion.
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1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
First as usual you go personal. No reason to be a jerk. Second, Prescott/Stafford/Murray/Herbert/Jackson are not "mostly great" in my opinion.
sorry you thought it was personal. I apologize.
How is Lamar not great? Three years in the league, wins tons of games, playoffs every year, won an MVP.
They keep hitting on everything meanwhile the Giants are still "trying to figure things out" since Feb 46.
Good scouting and good development. Something we can't seem to do
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In comment 15376287 bluewave said:
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as he throws his 4th INT but probably won't get it. All the arm chair QBs and media will go back to bashing Daniel Jones for not playing well enough vs Washington....
Are there people who seriously blamed Jones for the Giants not winning against Washington ?
Mike Vick on ESPN said it was Jones' fault because he didn't put that throw to Slayton in the bread basket. I suggest Mike Vick go back and look at the All 22 and watch the DL directly in his face while make that throw...
Not only that, But Slayton slowed down 1st . No idea what Vick was watching on that play. Also, Slayton admitted he should have dove for it as well
Just bizarre to even think about criticizing Jones who gave the Giants 350 totla yards with 0 turnovers while the Defense played like shit, Barkley continues to do nothing, Coaching was terrible, and Lawrence was wrongfully called for an offside that cost them the game on the last play
Vick s statement just another example of a narrative created by the number of turnovers Jones has made
The group think crowd sees him through a negative prism to the point they would conclude such a perspective on a pass that is caught 95% of the time by competent NFO receivers
Hire competent staff who does their job?
If past holds true, Mills will be great
Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed
Californians sitting on a ton of money they couldn’t spend for a year and a half.
I’m not, I mean the damn Jets beat the Rams last year at 1pm.
Nope. That game was in Los Angeles.
And last time Rams played the Giants at 1 pm, the final score was 51-17.
And the Giants didn't have the 51.
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I’m not, I mean the damn Jets beat the Rams last year at 1pm.
Nope. That game was in Los Angeles.
And last time Rams played the Giants at 1 pm, the final score was 51-17.
And the Giants didn't have the 51.
That’s because McVay had been waiting for that moment for a lifetime it seems. Sure he still has it circled, but not with the gusto of his first bite at the Apple. Regardless west coast teams are notoriously sleepy through the first half of football games though. Although I think McVays teams are the exception but I’m not sure.
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1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
First as usual you go personal. No reason to be a jerk. Second, Prescott/Stafford/Murray/Herbert/Jackson are not "mostly great" in my opinion.
sorry you thought it was personal. I apologize.
How is Lamar not great? Three years in the league, wins tons of games, playoffs every year, won an MVP.
To be honest, of your list Jackson was the one I went back and forth on. But not yet in my opinion. I've seen a lot of clunkers from him. More than the other guys. Still its a small set of top QB's even with him in the list.
My overall opinion/point is that if Jones game vs Wash is his "new normal" (to use an overused term), then he would be a top 10-ish QB in the league. Thats a big if, but I just don't think the jury is out on him yet
Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed
Yep And we can discuss forever that you have to make hay on the rookie contract, but it doesn’t change the truth of your post
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1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Russell Wilson
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Josh Allen
7. Herbert
8. Murray
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
You have questions about Russell Wilson? Then you have no judgement. I would deal half our team for Wilson.
First as usual you go personal. No reason to be a jerk. Second, Prescott/Stafford/Murray/Herbert/Jackson are not "mostly great" in my opinion.
sorry you thought it was personal. I apologize.
How is Lamar not great? Three years in the league, wins tons of games, playoffs every year, won an MVP.
To be honest, of your list Jackson was the one I went back and forth on. But not yet in my opinion. I've seen a lot of clunkers from him. More than the other guys. Still its a small set of top QB's even with him in the list.
My overall opinion/point is that if Jones game vs Wash is his "new normal" (to use an overused term), then he would be a top 10-ish QB in the league. Thats a big if, but I just don't think the jury is out on him yet
If Daniel Jones rushes for 100 yards every week, he will easily be a top-10 QB. But he won't and he will be lucky to be top-15
Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed
Not really. I have seen more people saying they want to move on from Jones and start over then those saying the opposite.
Jones biggets issue was/is his fumbles but objectively he is getting better at that and if he fixes that issue completely he is a starting Qb in the league. How good is TBD.
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And people want to complain about Jones lol .
Young QB struggle in the NFL . Patience is very much needed
Wilson is playing in his second game of his NFL career. Burrow is playing in his 12th. Both were drafted by the worst teams in the NFL (and psoters complain about Jones' offensive line). Jones just played in his 28th on a team that just spent 200+ million on players. Let's be just a little bit objective, shall we.
Jones is in the beginning of his 3rd season. He is still a young QB in the league .
And newsflash...Jones was drafted by the absolute worst team in the NFL record wise the last 5 years. Let's be a little objective how bad this team personnel has been and continues to be
But yeah this team has sucked ass for 9 years, despite you guys not liking basic numbers that prove this.
Jones did play a good game vs Washington, that's for sure but what's he now? 8-19 as a starter? 8-20? It's not as if it's hard to score points in the NFL, with Jones, they haven't been able to do much scoring.
Then again, I'm sure if that number was 8-42 as a starter you'd still be telling us we need to be patient and how it logically takes 12 years to rebuild when at the same time, teams who were bad for a year or two make it to the playoffs and Super Bowl while we wait for the Giants to reach .500.
I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
Quoting his record while at the same time including the latest loss which by all objective standards was not on him, if anything he was their best player Thursday demonstrates the folly of using won loss record when evaluating a quarterback
Archie Manning is probably one of the all time losing quarterbacks, but by many standards he was pretty good
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to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.
I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
Burrow generally looks better than Jones. Much better. Nobody in the NFL would give you Burrow for Jones.
Okay, compare Jones’ rookie numbers to Burrows and the rookies.
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to rookies? Burrow hasn't even played 16 games.
I really think it’s the crowning of guys. And Jones has never looked as bad as Burrow has today and his TEAM is still in it. And when he eventually wins this game the same people that shit all over Jones will praise Burrows gutsy performance.
Anybody that gets drafted that high is going to be "crowned" as you say. The guy had a legendary college run. Every #1 overall gets a lot of media attention. Media went nuts over Jones after the Tampa game in year 1. If the warts hadn't shown in his game they'd still be on him.
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and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
I think you are throwing the word "great" around willy nilly my friend.
I am going to reserve the term "great" when referring to QBs who are CURRENTLY PLAYING AT a HALL OF FAME LEVEL.
I think you need to step it down to "very good" for some of the guys you may be referring to.
Let's not lower the bar on greatness.
Imitating the Giants defense
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and there are less than 5 QBs who we can say consistently play well. All of the rest struggle at times and some more than others due to the usual factors (pieces around them and coaching).
There are 8 or so that are mostly great. Sure they may have a couple of bad games but they are mostly great.
I think you are throwing the word "great" around willy nilly my friend.
I am going to reserve the term "great" when referring to QBs who are CURRENTLY PLAYING AT a HALL OF FAME LEVEL.
I think you need to step it down to "very good" for some of the guys you may be referring to.
Let's not lower the bar on greatness.
The guy's point was that QB play quality is bad. And my point is that there are a lot of excellent QBs. There is never 8 QBs playing at a Hall of Fame level. So if that's your standard then there are only 4right now. But generally QB play is better than ever before. and Daniel Jones is out of that conversation of best -8/10. Far out of it.
I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.
That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
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Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.
I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.
That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
Than you make them drive the length of the field. A 6-0 lead does nothing for your team psychologically. The Eagles defense gave up a ridiculous drive after that, but that’s not the point. When you have a chance to go up an extra possession you always take it.
you are overrating Jones' rookie season. It was not some phenomenal record breaking season. Passing stats are way up in this era. Herbert thrashed Jones' numbers a year later. Burrow was better than Jones in his rook season.
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Going for it on 4th was smart, that play though was not.
I disagree on that series. If they had goal to go and gained forward yardage on the first three plays then yeah, I can see going on 4th. Say from the 8 to the 5 to the 3 or 2.
That wasn’t the case though as they basically didn’t get anything out of those first three downs. To me, when you don’t do squat on the first three plays I don’t know what makes a coach thinks he can do anything on the 4th try. I would’ve taken the three in that circumstance.
Than you make them drive the length of the field. A 6-0 lead does nothing for your team psychologically. The Eagles defense gave up a ridiculous drive after that, but that’s not the point. When you have a chance to go up an extra possession you always take it.
Agree to disagree.
Like I said they didn’t do anything with the first three downs so I would’ve taken the points. It wasn’t like they had three solid gains and moving closer. They were stuffed three times in a row.
It was early and just tacking on points and coming away with something would’ve been a positive.
To me it’s almost like going for two early or when you don’t have to. You miss and you always seem to be chasing those points.
We just have a different take on it and no biggie. Either way I’m glad they didn’t get any points and took one on the chin today.
You let Jones spread the ball out, have options of going deep and underneath on the same play and he looks like a very competent QB.
That Eagles team are a bunch of cheapshot dirtbags. I hope that scumbag gets a suspension, or the Eagles get fined big time for that hit. I hate that team more than any team in pro sports.
And this is exactly why I can’t and won’t do fantasy football.
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I need Zeke to pull his head out of his ass and have a big game. Cooper I have in another team I would love a repeat performance of last week.
And this is exactly why I can’t and won’t do fantasy football.
I agree 100%, I could never root for the Eagles or Cowboys players in any way!
Honestly this could be a game but their coach is an idiot. That defense is really bad though.