This article is from 2008, but if you look at Gettleman’s .300 winning percentage as Giants GM, he’s closing in on Matt Millen, generally understood to be the worst for good reason. DG is comfortably in the top 5 and it’s going to take a new regime to clean up the mess he’s made in his four seasons.
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How wrong I was. He's arguably been even worse than 2013-2017-era Reese
I would very much like to get a forward thinking general manager in here, keep Judge and get some innovative coordinators to bring the giants into the 21st-century.
I’m quickly becoming simply agnostic about this team. I expect them to be bad and I’m rooting for simple mediocrity. Sad state of affairs for a once proud franchise.
But then again Mara replaced Mcadoo with a guy who comes from the same system and ran the same thing and replaced Reese with his former assistant.
So I guess this level of ineptitude shouldn't be surprising.
I would very much like to get a forward thinking general manager in here, keep Judge and get some innovative coordinators to bring the giants into the 21st-century.
I’m quickly becoming simply agnostic about this team. I expect them to be bad and I’m rooting for simple mediocrity. Sad state of affairs for a once proud franchise.
Accorsi picked and hired Gettleman. He had full power of attorney, so don't think anything otherwise.
Because right now is working so well. Oh the agony if we lose all of these players, coaches and GM.
Mara's signature was a formality. But technically you are "right".
But Accorsi drove the search - well, the fake search - and knew he wanted Gettleman from the get-go. A year ago a poster linked a great interview with Accorsi about the search. And Accorsi basically admitted he felt guilty about recommending Reese over Gettleman when he resigned in 2006. So this was a second chance to do his good friend a huge favor.
A few of us were onto this joke of a process the moment Accorsi was brought into the fold.
Unless it's a Bill Polian-type, who the hell hires a 66 year old GM (at the time), who believes in 1940s football, to rebuild your franchise...?
It’d be easier if you created a thread where BBIers can just post onto the what will be a long , obviously, running thread.
It’d be easier if you created a thread where BBIers can just post onto the what will be a long , obviously, running thread.
It’d be easier if you created a thread where BBIers can just post onto the what will be a long , obviously, running thread.
Joe, people are venting. That's what BBI is for. They need to get it out of their system. It gets that way sometimes. We actually get more sign ups and activity when there are Giants losses than when they are winning.
Or we can keep the same dysfunctional shit that isn't working.
Yet again, you prove how fucking dumb you are.
Fuck Dave.
just sad to see imbeciles ruin a onetime great giant site.
just sad to see imbeciles ruin a onetime great giant site.
just sad to see imbeciles ruin a onetime great giant site.
What do you want people to do? Ignore the elephant in the room? Gettleman's performance would seem to be fair game on a message board dedicated to the NYG.
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if it’s true at all. Give it up children. Kindergarten is over and the Pandemic is no excuse. Seems like a real life has passed you DG fixated infants by.
just sad to see imbeciles ruin a onetime great giant site.
What do you want people to do? Ignore the elephant in the room? Gettleman's performance would seem to be fair game on a message board dedicated to the NYG.
You can’t reason with these people. The Giants could go 7-10 this year and they’d lobby to keep DG cause he’s making “progress”
just sad to see imbeciles ruin a onetime great giant site.
If you were 30% effective at your job, after three years plus, do you think you'd still be employed by that employer?
Yet, he sticks his nose in picks he shouldn’t- like the Toney pick. I can’t imagine Judge advocating a “gadget” player in rd 1. That has to be Mara and Gettleman ramming it down his throat. I think this team is screwed until the Maras ( all of them ) get out of the business of “playing active football owner”. They are about as competent as “daddy” was.
Yet, he sticks his nose in picks he shouldn’t- like the Toney pick. I can’t imagine Judge advocating a “gadget” player in rd 1. That has to be Mara and Gettleman ramming it down his throat. I think this team is screwed until the Maras ( all of them ) get out of the business of “playing active football owner”. They are about as competent as “daddy” was.
I tend to agree with your point about the Toney pick. After signing KG and Rudolph before the draft, I can imagine Judge feeling pretty good with Jones's receivers at that point.
We had other needs more crucial needs than another receiver.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
wow.. Well that sounds about right. Sounds like a Giants Org move. They basically have no direction because the problem starts from the very top! Sad how bad this Org has gotten since the last SB win..
It’d be easier if you created a thread where BBIers can just post onto the what will be a long , obviously, running thread.
Karen, I mean Joe, keep up the good work!
If Toney was a little unpolished as a receiver, it would be OK. He really only had the one year at Florida, and a lot of his touches were gadget plays. His resume does NOT say first rd pick. If he works out Inwill be shocked.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
I find this theory dubious as there were at least TWO players, Paye and Lattisaw, who fit the profile of what the Giants look for and were available atthat spot.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
I thought they were pretty enamored with Oweh based on his workout at PSU. And they clearly needed more pressure off the edge than adding another WR.
If we were looking for a player with upside, and were willing to take a bit of gamble, Oweh made more sense than Toney, IMV.
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I believe the the players the Giants had prioritized were all taken by #20 and Toney “fell out” of the rankings despite never really getting a lot of focused attention. I read with interest one of the insiders here write after the draft that Toney’s name hadn’t been tossed around predraft and so the pick was something of a surprise.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
I thought they were pretty enamored with Oweh based on his workout at PSU. And they clearly needed more pressure off the edge than adding another WR.
If we were looking for a player with upside, and were willing to take a bit of gamble, Oweh made more sense than Toney, IMV.
If they take Oweh, then who would the Giants take in round 2? They could not trade back with Miami and take Rondale Moore who went 1 pick earlier than the Giants.
As for Gettleman, he and the Giants seem to be stuck in the 80's. I truly believe the Giants want to relieve the glory of those 80's teams. The problem is that is not how the NFL is played anymore. We hired an OC who is running Norv Turners offense from the early 90's. The offense we need that fits our personnel better honestly was Shurmers offense. They maybe could have hired someone who ran something similar to Kyle Shanahan's offense. Instead they signed Garrett and didn't think about how his offense style doesn't fit their QB and their RB as well as most of the receivers. They signed him because he was a former Giant, all the Mara's care about is remaining the status quo. Someone should tell them it's not 1995, it's 2021. If we do get a new GM, I hope it's someone who embraces analytics and not someone stuck in the past.
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I believe the the players the Giants had prioritized were all taken by #20 and Toney “fell out” of the rankings despite never really getting a lot of focused attention. I read with interest one of the insiders here write after the draft that Toney’s name hadn’t been tossed around predraft and so the pick was something of a surprise.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
I thought they were pretty enamored with Oweh based on his workout at PSU. And they clearly needed more pressure off the edge than adding another WR.
If we were looking for a player with upside, and were willing to take a bit of gamble, Oweh made more sense than Toney, IMV.
Seeing Oweh play tonight makes this post all the more painful.
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Mara picks the GMs. So does he go too? Oh wait he owns the team.
Accorsi picked and hired Gettleman. He had full power of attorney, so don't think anything otherwise.
That is so lame to make that association. Accorsi I bet would not have done it if he had known what Gettle would do. Specifically, draft a rb at #2 which is not-an-Accorsi thing to do. He only had his view of drafting running backs published in a freakin newspaper but, sure try and pin this on Accorsi because your ego won't let you admit you are wrong.
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I believe the the players the Giants had prioritized were all taken by #20 and Toney “fell out” of the rankings despite never really getting a lot of focused attention. I read with interest one of the insiders here write after the draft that Toney’s name hadn’t been tossed around predraft and so the pick was something of a surprise.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
I thought they were pretty enamored with Oweh based on his workout at PSU. And they clearly needed more pressure off the edge than adding another WR.
If we were looking for a player with upside, and were willing to take a bit of gamble, Oweh made more sense than Toney, IMV.
If they take Oweh, then who would the Giants take in round 2? They could not trade back with Miami and take Rondale Moore who went 1 pick earlier than the Giants.
As for Gettleman, he and the Giants seem to be stuck in the 80's. I truly believe the Giants want to relieve the glory of those 80's teams. The problem is that is not how the NFL is played anymore. We hired an OC who is running Norv Turners offense from the early 90's. The offense we need that fits our personnel better honestly was Shurmers offense. They maybe could have hired someone who ran something similar to Kyle Shanahan's offense. Instead they signed Garrett and didn't think about how his offense style doesn't fit their QB and their RB as well as most of the receivers. They signed him because he was a former Giant, all the Mara's care about is remaining the status quo. Someone should tell them it's not 1995, it's 2021. If we do get a new GM, I hope it's someone who embraces analytics and not someone stuck in the past.
Analytics? Isn't that what gave u big suit loser guy? I think Mara hired him and even said as much about his 70 % completions. He took a homrerun hitter in Eli and turned him into a bunter.
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In comment 15376866 cosmicj said:
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I believe the the players the Giants had prioritized were all taken by #20 and Toney “fell out” of the rankings despite never really getting a lot of focused attention. I read with interest one of the insiders here write after the draft that Toney’s name hadn’t been tossed around predraft and so the pick was something of a surprise.
So you take a somewhat unexpected trade down, add some bad luck with some of the players taken between 11 and 20, and a dose of sloppy preparation for an area of the draft where the Giants really weren’t expecting to be picking. Voila, you have an underscouted pick with some major questions.
I’m happy to hear about the flaws in my theory.
I thought they were pretty enamored with Oweh based on his workout at PSU. And they clearly needed more pressure off the edge than adding another WR.
If we were looking for a player with upside, and were willing to take a bit of gamble, Oweh made more sense than Toney, IMV.
If they take Oweh, then who would the Giants take in round 2? They could not trade back with Miami and take Rondale Moore who went 1 pick earlier than the Giants.
As for Gettleman, he and the Giants seem to be stuck in the 80's. I truly believe the Giants want to relieve the glory of those 80's teams. The problem is that is not how the NFL is played anymore. We hired an OC who is running Norv Turners offense from the early 90's. The offense we need that fits our personnel better honestly was Shurmers offense. They maybe could have hired someone who ran something similar to Kyle Shanahan's offense. Instead they signed Garrett and didn't think about how his offense style doesn't fit their QB and their RB as well as most of the receivers. They signed him because he was a former Giant, all the Mara's care about is remaining the status quo. Someone should tell them it's not 1995, it's 2021. If we do get a new GM, I hope it's someone who embraces analytics and not someone stuck in the past.
If Gettleman was stuck in the 80s the Giants would have better edge rushers.
Also, to DG's credit, he was 40-23-1 with Carolina and they went to the Super Bowl.
This isn't to say he's above criticism because there's plenty to go around. But he's also won more games in each season here than the season before he got here when the Giants only won 3 games. He didn't run the franchise into the ground. He took over a dumpster fire and hasn't been able to turn it around.