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GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:26 pm
Lamar missed an easy TD then throws pick 6.
Watkins fell down...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:27 pm : link
Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:27 pm : link
So was he trying to “create a play there?” Brutal throw.
RE: Watkins fell down...  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15376854 bw in dc said:
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Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.


What about the play before?
Two plays by Lamar  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:28 pm : link
Overthrow by 7 yards on a wide-open WR for a TD and a pick-six, all in the first 50 seconds
RE: …  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15376856 ryanmkeane said:
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So was he trying to “create a play there?” Brutal throw.

Throw to Watkins was also behind him by at least a yard
RE: RE: Watkins fell down...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15376858 GNewGiants said:
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Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.



What about the play before?


Missed the throw - agree.

Doesn't change the fact that Watkins fell down.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:31 pm : link
I’d run all night against KC
LOL...Lucky play for the Ravens  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:32 pm : link
Fumble plucked out of the air for a TD
That’s how Baltimore wins  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:32 pm : link
Run game run game run game
That was unreal...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:32 pm : link
...
Can the Giants get one of these lucky plays sometime this century?  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 8:33 pm : link
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crazy play on the td  
Producer : 9/19/2021 8:33 pm : link
gonna be a fun game
RE: Can the Giants get one of these lucky plays sometime this century?  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15376867 Zeke's Alibi said:
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We can’t have nice things
Can anyone remember  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:40 pm : link
Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes
That s just  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:42 pm : link
Ridiculous
Mahomes....  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 8:43 pm : link
seriously wtf. What a pretty throw
OMG Mahomes so awesome  
LG in NYC : 9/19/2021 8:44 pm : link
There is good football being played in the NFL, just not by the Giants

RE: Can anyone remember  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15376871 joeinpa said:
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Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes


Rodgers is in the conversation.

And people forget how great Elway was off platform.
Lamar  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:52 pm : link
Another great throw.
RE: RE: Can anyone remember  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15376880 bw in dc said:
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Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes



Rodgers is in the conversation.

And people forget how great Elway was off platform.


2 good examples
Favre made his living  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2021 8:52 pm : link
that way.
How'd that happen?  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:53 pm : link
No one fell down on him.
Idiotic throw...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:54 pm : link
LJax off to a rough start in 2021.
These USAA Gronk commercials  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:54 pm : link
Are pure cringe.
RE: How'd that happen?  
Mike in NY : 9/19/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15376889 montanagiant said:
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No one fell down on him.


But he is trying to make points happen! :)
He threw that into triple coverage  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:56 pm : link
Come on man!
I know Jones has turned  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:56 pm : link
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:57 pm : link
Still of the opinion that Lamar will be figured out eventually
RE: I know Jones has turned  
Producer : 9/19/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.


But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?
RE: …  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15376897 ryanmkeane said:
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Still of the opinion that Lamar will be figured out eventually


I doubt it. he will continue to be a problem as long as he has his twitch and speed. When he loses that, then maybe...
RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
Mike in NY : 9/19/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15376900 Producer said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?


If Baltimore loses today they will have the same record as the Giants. I did not know that records from prior seasons help determine playoff games this year.
 
christian : 9/19/2021 9:06 pm : link
Is the implication Jones is as good as Jackson, or the Giants as good as the Ravens?
RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15376900 Producer said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?


Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15376900 Producer said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?

Jackson walked onto a playoff team. You can't compare that to the situation Jones started with
RE: RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
christian : 9/19/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15376911 joeinpa said:
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Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.


So all things equal, you think Jones is as good as Jackson?
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joeinpa : 9/19/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15376910 christian said:
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Is the implication Jones is as good as Jackson, or the Giants as good as the Ravens?


I don’t think the finial chapter has been written on either quarterback

RE: RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15376911 joeinpa said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?



Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.


Sorry if you feel I was snarky.

He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:11 pm : link
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.
I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
The_Boss : 9/19/2021 9:12 pm : link
But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.
RE: I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15376922 The_Boss said:
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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.


I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.
That is truly a questionable post  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:15 pm : link
What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
RE: That is truly a questionable post  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15376925 montanagiant said:
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished

This is for producer
One thing Andy Reid is good at  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 9:16 pm : link
Is eating, another is running an offense. Even made McNabb successful.
Jones  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:19 pm : link
had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
RE: I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15376922 The_Boss said:
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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.


So far, so good - for sure. They knew they needed to protect their QB savant, so they sparred no expense.
RE: Jones  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15376929 ryanmkeane said:
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?

Exactly
RE: RE: That is truly a questionable post  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15376926 montanagiant said:
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished


This is for producer


outside of the MVP in his second year, what did he do? That's like saying out side of the nobel prize what makes someone a good writer.
RE: I know Jones has turned  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.


We've seen way too many by Jones. That's the difference.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:22 pm : link
Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
RE: RE: I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15376924 Producer said:
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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.



I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.


Or you could just use your two eyes. The Bucs had a good OL with Jamies, he just held onto the ball FOREVER. Then they added Wirfs in a rich get richer situation. Jamies really struggles to see the field because he had talent and why Evans always put up monster seasons until Godwin became that guy. He’d lock onto one guy. Exactly why I took a flyer on Thomas for when he comes back in fantasy.
RE: Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
BigBlueShock : 9/19/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15376921 Producer said:
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.

Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
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Producer : 9/19/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15376936 ryanmkeane said:
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?


He was a two-time Heisman finalist, a rare achievement, and won it once.

How did Daniel Jones do in Heisman voting?
RE: RE: RE: That is truly a questionable post  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15376933 Producer said:
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished


This is for producer



outside of the MVP in his second year, what did he do? That's like saying out side of the nobel prize what makes someone a good writer.

LOL...Okay, then it should be a breeze for you to answer then right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 9:26 pm : link
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?



Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.





Sorry if you feel I was snarky.

He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.


That s the problem with this medium, often tone is misinterpreted. Yes I agree Thai how he is viewed by the NFL.

I also think once narratives are established, they can skew objectivity going forward.

Ex. Eli established during the first half of his career that he had the “clutch” gene.
Producer  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:26 pm : link
typical - changing your argument after you realized how dumb it was.
RE: RE: Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15376938 BigBlueShock said:
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.


Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?

Because he won a Heisman BBS!!
RE: RE: Jones  
BleedBlue : 9/19/2021 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15376932 montanagiant said:
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?


Exactly


yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.

Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
RE: RE: Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15376938 BigBlueShock said:
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.


Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?


Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:27 pm : link
Jackson won the MVP, an incredible feat. But he has looked fairly mediocre once the weather turns which is why his playoff performances have been less than stellar
RE: RE: RE: Jones  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15376944 BleedBlue said:
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?


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yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.

Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.

I completely agree with this BreedBlue.
 
christian : 9/19/2021 9:28 pm : link
Can someone fish out that thread where someone said the Giants redone offensive line is better than the Chiefs?
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bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15376936 ryanmkeane said:
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?


Did you just ask that question?

In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.

He was literally a one man show...
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montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15376947 montanagiant said:
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?


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yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.

Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.


I completely agree with this BreedBlue.

BleedBlue I mean.
Why can't we run an open offense?  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 9:28 pm : link
Seriously, I watch every team and receivers seem to be open all the damn time. other coaches scheme their receivers open while we do not. Seriously why? Imagine KC with Hill and Kelce running stick routs all game.
I’m not even trying to talk about Jones  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:30 pm : link
here, just Jackson. They’ve designed an awesome system for him.

When he won a playoff game everyone acted like he had accomplished something incredible. Even though his stats in the playoffs are quite below average to bad.
Lamar Jackson is not great with the ball either  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 9:30 pm : link
Not including tonight between this year and last year Lamar turned the ball over 22 times to 21 for Jones
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montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15376949 bw in dc said:
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?



Did you just ask that question?

In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.

He was literally a one man show...

Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
bw  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:31 pm : link
reading comprehension. I was saying Producer said Jones has failed “everywhere he has been.”

He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
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montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15376954 montanagiant said:
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?



Did you just ask that question?

In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.

He was literally a one man show...


Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had

Oh and Jones also had a higher completion rate
 
christian : 9/19/2021 9:34 pm : link
I’d argue accomplishments in order of importance:

Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats

Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
RE: bw  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15376956 ryanmkeane said:
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reading comprehension. I was saying Producer said Jones has failed “everywhere he has been.”

He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.


If you think being a Heisman finalist twice and winning it once is failing.. Good for you and your high standards.

Newsflash: They don't give away Heismans and NFL MVPs. They are harder to obtain than most honors in life.
RE: RE: RE: Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
BigBlueShock : 9/19/2021 9:35 pm : link
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.


Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?



Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.

Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
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montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15376959 christian said:
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I’d argue accomplishments in order of importance:

Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats

Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?

I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
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BigBlueShock : 9/19/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15376959 christian said:
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I’d argue accomplishments in order of importance:

Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats

Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?

That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
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Producer : 9/19/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15376963 montanagiant said:
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I’d argue accomplishments in order of importance:

Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats

Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?


I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged


I think you guys are contorting yourselves to put Daniel Jones in the same class with Lamar Jackson. And it seems absurd to me. Nobody else outside of thsi board would entertain such a ridiculous notion. In Jones' second year he went 11/10 TD/INT and Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP.
Neither QB plays defense  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 9:40 pm : link
Or calls their own plays. Both have flaws. Lamar is a superior athlete with a better head and offense coach. Jones is a much better passer. Ravens have had one of the best defenses in the league while Lamar has been there allowing them to just have him run most of the time with easy win passes with the opposing defense sucked up. Can’t compare the two based on the situations both were given
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:41 pm : link
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.


Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?



Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.


Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.


Well I'd rather have Mahomes or peak Rodgers. But Lamar gives us a better shot to win a Super Bowl than Jones. So I am failing to see any inconsistency from my previous statements.
RE: Neither QB plays defense  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15376973 Giants73 said:
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Or calls their own plays. Both have flaws. Lamar is a superior athlete with a better head and offense coach. Jones is a much better passer. Ravens have had one of the best defenses in the league while Lamar has been there allowing them to just have him run most of the time with easy win passes with the opposing defense sucked up. Can’t compare the two based on the situations both were given


Jones is not a much better passer than Lamar Jackson. In year 2 Jones went 11/10 TD/INT and Jackson went 36/6. Those are passing stats.
Watch football  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 9:43 pm : link
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
RE: RE: …  
christian : 9/19/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15376970 BigBlueShock said:
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That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not


I’d argue over say 3 seasons, there are enough games and scenarios you can judge a QB against those criteria.

Maybe not perfect, but definitely enough in my view to say one guy is better than the other.
I want a QB that wins......Super Bowl.  
George from PA : 9/19/2021 9:45 pm : link
That is the goal.

Curious if a QB like Jackson will win one. Now, I see no one who can run and throw with such ease...very unique, but this is the type that is playing college, today. I wonder...throwing into triple coverage....did he know it was triple coverage and didn't care.

Also, curious if the future Tom Brady type QB will win one.....not too many of them are starting in college.

Mahones is certainly the gold standard and seems like somewhere between the 2 types of QB gives teams the best chance.
RE: Watch football  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15376977 Giants73 said:
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results


he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
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bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:48 pm : link
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?



Did you just ask that question?

In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.

He was literally a one man show...


Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had


So in three years, Jones had less yards passing yards, less rushing yards, less passing and rushing TDs, and more INTs than Jackson. Got it.

They weren't in the same stratosphere as players.
RE: RE: Watch football  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15376984 Producer said:
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results



he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.


Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.

Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
RE: RE: RE: Watch football  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15376986 GNewGiants said:
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results



he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.



Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.

Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.


Jones is not a good thrower of the football. Yes. That's what I'm saying. He is erratic, inaccurate and inconsistent. Maybe he will make a big jump, like Josh Allen, but I doubt it.
RE: RE: RE: Watch football  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15376986 GNewGiants said:
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Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.


Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.

Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
Jones > Jackson  
UConn4523 : 9/19/2021 9:59 pm : link
Jones > Mahomes

Anyone else?
RE: Jones > Jackson  
christian : 9/19/2021 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15376993 UConn4523 said:
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Jones > Mahomes

Anyone else?


Duh
how the fu  
GiantsLaw : 9/19/2021 10:03 pm : link
is Kelce open every dang play?
Let Jones win.some games 1st and have some consistency  
George from PA : 9/19/2021 10:04 pm : link
Before anyone can compare to these 2.

Difficult for me  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/19/2021 10:04 pm : link
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
RE: Jones > Jackson  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15376993 UConn4523 said:
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Jones > Mahomes

Anyone else?


Jones > Marino
Jones > Unitas
Jones . Moon
RE: Difficult for me  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15376998 Thunderstruck27 said:
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?


I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
RE: RE: Difficult for me  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/19/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15377000 Producer said:
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?



I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.


"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
RE: RE: RE: RE: Watch football  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15376990 bw in dc said:
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Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.



Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.

Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.


He’s effective cause they have to load the box. The amount of 1 on 1s he he sees with everyone worried about his legs leads to wide open lanes.

Look at that TD. Wide open. It was a great play by him but it was a pretty easy throw.

I said he’s a great player but his throwing is what holds him back.
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santacruzom : 9/19/2021 10:13 pm : link
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?



Did you just ask that question?

In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.

He was literally a one man show...


Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had



So in three years, Jones had less yards passing yards, less rushing yards, less passing and rushing TDs, and more INTs than Jackson. Got it.

They weren't in the same stratosphere as players.


Also, Lamar Jackson would have to throw 8 more interceptions or lose 8 more fumbles this game to equal Jones' career turnover mark.

He'd also have to lose about 76 games in a row to hit Jones' career win-loss percentage.
Incredible...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 10:14 pm : link
throw there by Jones.

I mean Jackson.

Hard to tell the difference there...
 
christian : 9/19/2021 10:15 pm : link
Did someone just post that was an easy throw?
RE: …  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15377008 christian said:
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Did someone just post that was an easy throw?


Yes because he was wide open which has been my point.
RE: RE: RE: Difficult for me  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:17 pm : link
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?



I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.



"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"


I am not a believer in Winston. Sure he has some great games and then he always reverts to his dumb bad play. Like Trubisky, like Mariota, and sadly, so far, like Jones. I would love to see Jones prove me wrong.
Kelce  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 10:20 pm : link
Is a fuckjng beast.
Kelce  
Del Shofner : 9/19/2021 10:21 pm : link
insane
.  
Banks : 9/19/2021 10:21 pm : link
KC is just ridiculous
Kelce  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:21 pm : link
what a phenomenal football player.
good God  
santacruzom : 9/19/2021 10:21 pm : link
I can't believe how good Kelce is.
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
Kelce had more highlights on that one play than Engram had his entire career.
Kelcie's catch and run  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
Just cost me my FF game tonight..Dammit!
Playing the Chiefs  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
Defenses are defenseless

I miss good defense
Wow  
Scooter185 : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
Wow
Chiefs are a video game.  
St. Jimmy : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
Nice effort by 71 to tackle him. That was a long run.
RE: Kelcie's catch and run  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15377020 montanagiant said:
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Just cost me my FF game tonight..Dammit!

Kelce, I mean
2 short throws go for long TDs  
larryflower37 : 9/19/2021 10:22 pm : link
KC is loaded with playmakers.
RE: ......  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15377019 Route 9 said:
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Kelce had more highlights on that one play than Engram had his entire career.


Have you missed all the tips for INTs that are shown after our games are over? I mean who can compete with that!
RE: Playing the Chiefs  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15377021 joeinpa said:
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Defenses are defenseless

I miss good defense


those days are mostly gone. I like the old days too. 70s were my favorite era.
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 10:23 pm : link
Lol Chiefs score 35 points and it's not even the 4th quarter yet
RE: RE: Kelcie's catch and run  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:24 pm : link
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Just cost me my FF game tonight..Dammit!


Kelce, I mean


I feelya..

The Hollywood Brown TD cost me a game, it looks like.
RE: Incredible...  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15377007 bw in dc said:
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throw there by Jones.

I mean Jackson.

Hard to tell the difference there...

Especially with the 2 INTs early on. Just like Jones right?
Seee a lot of stats about winning/losing  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 10:24 pm : link
Going to ignore the fact that Lamar has only been on a team that led the league in running and defense.. All three of his years Ravens have had the number 1 defense and number one rushing attack. It helps you QB a lot. Good field position, other team having to load up against the run.
RE: ......  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:24 pm : link
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Lol Chiefs score 35 points and it's not even the 4th quarter yet


It's ridiculous
Insane to watch Kelce  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/19/2021 10:25 pm : link
and wonder what it would take to have any of our players make a play like that or anything close. Guy is a monster
We bizarrely obsess over Lamar Jackson on this board.  
jrthomps2006 : 9/19/2021 10:26 pm : link
I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.
RE: Seee a lot of stats about winning/losing  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15377032 Giants73 said:
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Going to ignore the fact that Lamar has only been on a team that led the league in running and defense.. All three of his years Ravens have had the number 1 defense and number one rushing attack. It helps you QB a lot. Good field position, other team having to load up against the run.


If we had Lamar we would go nuts for him. We wouldn't entertain comparisons to any QB that wasn't the best of the best: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Allen
RE: Seee a lot of stats about winning/losing  
christian : 9/19/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15377032 Giants73 said:
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Going to ignore the fact that Lamar has only been on a team that led the league in running and defense.. All three of his years Ravens have had the number 1 defense and number one rushing attack. It helps you QB a lot. Good field position, other team having to load up against the run.


Want to take a guess why the Ravens lead the league in rushing?
Forgot the ravens hired that loser  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 10:29 pm : link
Guess they were tired of having a great defense and got the lesser Ryan.
Baltimore’s any chance  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 10:29 pm : link
Is keeping it in Lamars hand. Three designed hand offs down 11 to KC ain’t winning ya anything’
hey maybe  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:30 pm : link
the Giants should take a page out of the Ravens playbook and run DJ in the manner the Ravens commit to the run with LJ.

running is the very best part of DJs game, and he's really good at it. Washington couldn't defend it.
that was  
santacruzom : 9/19/2021 10:31 pm : link
a really nice blitz by KC.
My guess  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 10:32 pm : link
Greg Roman
RE: We bizarrely obsess over Lamar Jackson on this board.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15377035 jrthomps2006 said:
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I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.


He has a league MVP in his book and some people insist on not taking him seriously here, yet making every excuse in the book for why Jones hasn't met success yet.
RE: Insane to watch Kelce  
St. Jimmy : 9/19/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15377034 Thunderstruck27 said:
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and wonder what it would take to have any of our players make a play like that or anything close. Guy is a monster
That is like a once a career thing for every Giant outside of Barkley.
Idiotic pass by Mahomes  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 10:37 pm : link
He is much smarter than that
That was bad  
DC Gmen Fan : 9/19/2021 10:38 pm : link
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Impressive  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/19/2021 10:40 pm : link
Baltimore got a playoff after a timeout. And it was successful
tacky call on Zeitler there  
Del Shofner : 9/19/2021 10:46 pm : link
No foul
Zeitler sighting  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:47 pm : link
wiping away a Balt TD
RE: Zeitler sighting  
Del Shofner : 9/19/2021 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15377059 Producer said:
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wiping away a Balt TD


not the TD, the 2 point conversion

and a pretty weak call
RE: tacky call on Zeitler there  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15377058 Del Shofner said:
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No foul


NFL officiating has had a brutally bad day.

RE: RE: Zeitler sighting  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15377062 Del Shofner said:
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wiping away a Balt TD



not the TD, the 2 point conversion

and a pretty weak call


yes thanks for the correction
RE: RE: We bizarrely obsess over Lamar Jackson on this board.  
jrthomps2006 : 9/19/2021 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15377048 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.



He has a league MVP in his book and some people insist on not taking him seriously here, yet making every excuse in the book for why Jones hasn't met success yet.


Are there people who would prefer Jones to LJax? That seems like an insane take. That said, there are 50 players I wish the Giants had (and could have had via the draft) - not sure why Jackson gets so much more air time on BBI. Josh Allen, Bradley Chubb, Roquan Smith etc etc etc
Producer  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 10:51 pm : link
Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.

You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
RE: Producer  
Producer : 9/19/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15377067 ryanmkeane said:
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Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.

You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.


No. There are people here who are saying Jones is better than LJax. You can tear into him for bad playoff games. I don't care. I agree he isn't as good as Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers.
RE: RE: tacky call on Zeitler there  
Scooter185 : 9/19/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15377063 bw in dc said:
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No foul



NFL officiating has had a brutally bad day.


*week
RE: Producer  
christian : 9/19/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15377067 ryanmkeane said:
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Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.

You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.


You must have missed who and how Jones was introduced into this game thread.

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joeinpa : 8:56 pm : link : reply
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.


Go ahead and re-read the thread from that point on. You think the implication is that Jones isn’t “even close yet.”

Why don’t you ask BBS or Joe if they feel that way.
What a BS penalty on Matthews  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:02 pm : link
The Refs this year have been abysmal
Even the fact...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 11:08 pm : link
that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.
Is Baltimore allowed to have a false start on every play?  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/19/2021 11:09 pm : link
Or are my eyes playing tricks on me?
RE: Even the fact...  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15377074 bw in dc said:
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that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.


hehehe
RE: Even the fact...  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15377074 bw in dc said:
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that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.


I wait until the playoffs to see Lamar look like Daniel lol
RE: Even the fact...  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15377074 bw in dc said:
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that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.

Yeah if only Jones could do a cartwheel like Jackson into the endzone...Were there bonus points for that?
RE: Even the fact...  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15377074 bw in dc said:
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that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.


But seriously wouldn't you want to see them emulate the Baltimore LJax offense for Jones? It would be interesting, no?
TD play would have been a great call  
shyster : 9/19/2021 11:11 pm : link
on second down after the Bradberry INT.

Even when the defense has seen the QB keep the ball, there is a strong tendency to go for the RB fake.
RE: TD play would have been a great call  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15377081 shyster said:
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on second down after the Bradberry INT.

Even when the defense has seen the QB keep the ball, there is a strong tendency to go for the RB fake.


100%. Why didn't they do the read option at least once there?
RE: RE: TD play would have been a great call  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/19/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15377082 Producer said:
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on second down after the Bradberry INT.

Even when the defense has seen the QB keep the ball, there is a strong tendency to go for the RB fake.



100%. Why didn't they do the read option at least once there?


It's possible that the coaches might be the biggest problem with the NYG
RE: RE: Even the fact...  
jrthomps2006 : 9/19/2021 11:14 pm : link
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that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.

We just need more RPO. Jones legs are a huge advantage for him. We don’t need to emulate the Ravens offense - LJax is a human video game. Just need to keep defenses off balance.



But seriously wouldn't you want to see them emulate the Baltimore LJax offense for Jones? It would be interesting, no?
Lamar  
WillVAB : 9/19/2021 11:15 pm : link
Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
The lack of defense is startling.  
PetesHereNow : 9/19/2021 11:15 pm : link
Between the lack of defense and the flags on a lot of plays, football isn’t as fun for me as it was even though 5-10 years ago
I don't think I know one single person  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:16 pm : link
Who even thinks about taking a date to Applebees
RE: The lack of defense is startling.  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15377087 PetesHereNow said:
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Between the lack of defense and the flags on a lot of plays, football isn’t as fun for me as it was even though 5-10 years ago


Offense, specifically passing offense, rules the league.

remember the saying, "chicks dig the longball"?
RE: RE: Producer  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15377071 christian said:
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Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.

You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.



You must have missed who and how Jones was introduced into this game thread.



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I know Jones has turned
joeinpa : 8:56 pm : link : reply
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



Go ahead and re-read the thread from that point on. You think the implication is that Jones isn’t “even close yet.”

Why don’t you ask BBS or Joe if they feel that way.


I do feel sheepish about that post, I derailed the thread, that was not my intention.

I know Jones’ play to this point hasn’t earned the same respect as Jackson and some others. But my pt was: Quarterbacks who have achieved the stature of, “ The Guy” make similar mistakes.

It simply to imply those mistakes don’t preclude Daniel from reaching that status, if he learns to limit them.

I do believe the established narrative about him sometimes skews objectively where his mistakes are concerned, and even his good performances, like Thursday.
Wow  
jrthomps2006 : 9/19/2021 11:18 pm : link
CEH - tough one
Edwards-Helaire  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:18 pm : link
sucks
Lol  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 11:18 pm : link
Why would you run it? Lol

Andy took it out of Mahomes hands all 4th quarter.
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 11:18 pm : link
That's what you get for having a hyphenated name
That was about the only way Baltimore was  
St. Jimmy : 9/19/2021 11:18 pm : link
stopping KC. Hell of a play.
RE: Lol  
Route 9 : 9/19/2021 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15377095 GNewGiants said:
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Why would you run it? Lol

Andy took it out of Mahomes hands all 4th quarter.


Haha agreed
RE: That was about the only way Baltimore was  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15377097 St. Jimmy said:
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stopping KC. Hell of a play.

By a rookie no less
Never ever ever  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 11:20 pm : link
Take the ball out of your best players hands especially from the 35 yard line haha
RE: Never ever ever  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15377100 GNewGiants said:
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Take the ball out of your best players hands especially from the 35 yard line haha

Great point.
Holy crap  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:21 pm : link
KC actually played Defense
Now that's how you play to win!  
Gmen703 : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
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I think going for it  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
was the obvious call.
Andy reid  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
Has lost a shit load of games like that.
Judge would have punted and relied on the defense  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
Harbaugh knows better
Great call by Harbaugh  
jrthomps2006 : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
Perfect situational coaching
Balls right there.  
St. Jimmy : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
Well done. Fuck Andy Reid.
Helluva a call  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 11:22 pm : link
By Harbaugh
.  
Banks : 9/19/2021 11:23 pm : link
a lot of nail biters this week. Sad way for KC to lose
Judge would have punted there 100 times out of 100  
Giantfan21 : 9/19/2021 11:23 pm : link
Great decision by Harbaugh to go for it on 4th down there knowing if they gave the ball back to Mahomes they likely score
Nobody else noticed the constant false starts by Baltimore all night  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/19/2021 11:23 pm : link
That weren’t called?
Giants would have punted  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 11:23 pm : link
I guarantee Judge would have not gone for it, they are too conservative. Baltimore, yes they have Lamar but they knew they have a better chance of victory with the best running QB ever getting 3 yards than giving the ball back to Mahomes.
Every weekend I see guys I wanted the Giants to draft  
NY-Fan : 9/19/2021 11:23 pm : link
making plays all over the league and many of them turn out to be stars. Most of the time the Giants draft someone that makes me not very excited and they are just average. It frustrates the hell out of me.
good game  
Del Shofner : 9/19/2021 11:24 pm : link
are you not entertained?
This was like watching the alternate ending  
beatrixkiddo : 9/19/2021 11:24 pm : link
To the Giants game. If only Judge had the balls and smarts that Harbaugh does.
And that is the new  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 11:25 pm : link
NFL!

Going 4 th and 1, up 1 pt on your own 35.

Hate to admit it, but don’t think Giants would even consider it

I don’t like it, wish Chiefs had stopped them.
Lamar was Superman  
HomerJones45 : 9/19/2021 11:25 pm : link
In the second half. Outplayed Mahomes which does not happen very often.
RE: Every weekend I see guys I wanted the Giants to draft  
Giantfan21 : 9/19/2021 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15377114 NY-Fan said:
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making plays all over the league and many of them turn out to be stars. Most of the time the Giants draft someone that makes me not very excited and they are just average. It frustrates the hell out of me.


Has been going on for years. That's why it doesn't matter if DG is gone as long as the rest of the front office and scouts are still employed
I still can’t believe KC  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 11:26 pm : link
Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.
RE: I still can’t believe KC  
beatrixkiddo : 9/19/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15377121 GNewGiants said:
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.


Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.
difference between loser coach and winner coach  
nym172 : 9/19/2021 11:28 pm : link
wow judge descisions look foolish you have to be aggressive in the modern nfl 100% judge punts that ball.
Seriously I follow college football pretty close  
NY-Fan : 9/19/2021 11:28 pm : link
and really get into the draft. Time and time again there are players that fill a need and are better prospects then who the Giants pick and they turn out to be stars and I just don't understand their thinking.
RE: RE: I still can’t believe KC  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15377123 beatrixkiddo said:
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.



Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.


I mean you can throw 3-5 yard passes. Outside a dumb decision - Mahomes was perfect all night.
RE: I still can’t believe KC  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15377121 GNewGiants said:
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.


especially CEH.. he's not very good.
judge....  
thrunthrublue : 9/19/2021 11:30 pm : link
would have been behind 35 to 3.......0 and 2 has the potential to expand out to 0 and 6 before you know it. he has already beed as close as he will get in '21.
RE: Seriously I follow college football pretty close  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:30 pm : link
In comment 15377125 NY-Fan said:
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and really get into the draft. Time and time again there are players that fill a need and are better prospects then who the Giants pick and they turn out to be stars and I just don't understand their thinking.


I agree. It's weird. The Toney pick is a good example. The Giants could have added Paye AND Oweh. Imagine that.
RE: judge....  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15377128 thrunthrublue said:
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would have been behind 35 to 3.......0 and 2 has the potential to expand out to 0 and 6 before you know it. he has already beed as close as he will get in '21.


Jones and Golladay MUST figure out their connection. I think that's why Golladay was upset. You have to throw it to Golladay with anticipation when he is covered.
Yep, when they took Beckham it was out of the blue for me  
NY-Fan : 9/19/2021 11:35 pm : link
I was all in on Donald.The Flowers pick and Apple pick also were head scratchers for me. Yes Oweh was one I was really high on.
Judge doesn't have Lamar Jackson  
Go Terps : 9/19/2021 11:36 pm : link
He's got Jones and a running back that wouldn't have gotten the 2 yards on 4th down.

Oh and Baltimore picked Oweh 11 picks after we picked Toney. I wasn't aware rookie first rounders were allowed to make plays in big spots.
RE: Nobody else noticed the constant false starts by Baltimore all night  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 11:38 pm : link
In comment 15377112 OBJ_AllDay said:
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That weren’t called?


Not all night, but someone definitely moved early on that last TD LJ scored rolling to the right.

BTW, anyone else notice some nice crunching blocks Zeitler threw tonight?

Zeitler must feel like he has a new lease on life  
Go Terps : 9/19/2021 11:39 pm : link
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RE: Zeitler must feel like he has a new lease on life  
Producer : 9/19/2021 11:40 pm : link
In comment 15377137 Go Terps said:
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And Devonta Freeman looked a lot quicker than his Giants stint.
Yeah Zeitler looked like a different player  
NY-Fan : 9/19/2021 11:40 pm : link
or you could say like his old self again. I don't get it.
RE: Lamar  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2021 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15377086 WillVAB said:
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Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.


LOL?
Comparing Judge to Harbaugh is silly at the moment.  
St. Jimmy : 9/19/2021 11:42 pm : link
Harbaugh coaches for a well run organization. Judge is trying to scratch together whatever the hell the Giants have been trying to accomplish since 2017.
RE: And that is the new  
Go Terps : 9/19/2021 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15377117 joeinpa said:
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NFL!

Going 4 th and 1, up 1 pt on your own 35.

Hate to admit it, but don’t think Giants would even consider it

I don’t like it, wish Chiefs had stopped them.


Playing to win is a bad thing? I think Harbaugh and Jackson deserve credit. Harbaugh asked him if he wanted to go. Jackson said yes, Harbaugh didn't hesitate.

We're criticizing Reid for taking the ball out of the hands of his best player. That's what Harbaugh didn't do. I think it's great.
RE: Yeah Zeitler looked like a different player  
santacruzom : 9/19/2021 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15377139 NY-Fan said:
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or you could say like his old self again. I don't get it.


I just wonder how contagious and demotivating overall poor play is. It's gotta be tough for some players to bring their A or even B games when some part of them realizes it's futile and will have little impact.
RE: RE: Lamar  
santacruzom : 9/19/2021 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15377141 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15377086 WillVAB said:


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Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.



LOL?


I didn't see the whole play in context of the game, just a highlight... how the hell did Lamar's flip wind up thwarting a 2 point conversion chance?
RE: RE: Lamar  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/20/2021 12:00 am : link
In comment 15377141 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15377086 WillVAB said:


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Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.



LOL?


Just an incredibly stupid post on so many levels.

Hell of a comeback by Lamar and the Ravens.
 
christian : 9/20/2021 12:00 am : link
You must have missed the rule change. After a backflip for a TD the league cuts audio to your helmet and you have to guess the play everyone else is running.

It’s kind of like the whacky plot twists in the later Hunger Games.
RE: …  
santacruzom : 9/20/2021 12:17 am : link
In comment 15377156 christian said:
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You must have missed the rule change. After a backflip for a TD the league cuts audio to your helmet and you have to guess the play everyone else is running.

It’s kind of like the whacky plot twists in the later Hunger Games.


But that wasn't a backflip, it was a forward flip or perhaps a side flip. In that case, perhaps the league engages an opaque eye visor on your helmet for the next play?
 
christian : 9/20/2021 12:23 am : link
Opaque visor is likely. Or maybe the other 10 guys do that thing where they mouth words without speaking to make you think something happened to your hearing.
RE: Lamar  
SimpleMan : 9/20/2021 1:25 am : link
In comment 15377086 WillVAB said:
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Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.


One of the shittiest comments I have ever read on this site, and that is saying something. Take a lap, douche.
RE: The lack of defense is startling.  
Debaser : 9/20/2021 7:51 am : link
In comment 15377087 PetesHereNow said:
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Between the lack of defense and the flags on a lot of plays, football isn’t as fun for me as it was even though 5-10 years ago


I agree. The game sukcs now. Everything is some ticky tack call to promote passing now defenses can't stop anybody. Going for it on 4th down on your side of the 50. Ridiculous. All it is now is who gets the ball last and playing to the clock.

I also liked it when QBs had fewer rushing yards than running backs.
Lot of missed or ignored  
bc4life : 9/20/2021 7:56 am : link
holding calls by KC offense
was waiting for Terps  
ryanmkeane : 9/20/2021 8:16 am : link
to appear, at least he gave us until the end of the game to start criticizing the Giants, who had nothing to do with the game
RE: was waiting for Terps  
GNewGiants : 9/20/2021 8:17 am : link
In comment 15377235 ryanmkeane said:
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to appear, at least he gave us until the end of the game to start criticizing the Giants, who had nothing to do with the game


He was on the Ravens board celebrating! haha
RE: RE: I still can’t believe KC  
BillKo : 9/20/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15377123 beatrixkiddo said:
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.



Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.


I don't really get the criticism for running here...they were burning clock and getting closer for a FG. Their backs have been pretty darn good.

A running back's job is to secure the football in that situation.
I don't think the Chiefs run it well  
UConn4523 : 9/20/2021 1:41 pm : link
those days are long past. They drafted CEH to fix that but it hasn't worked yet - medicore rookie season, off to a horrible start in 2021.
RE: RE: RE: I still can’t believe KC  
Debaser : 9/20/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15377652 BillKo said:
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In comment 15377121 GNewGiants said:


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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.



Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.



I don't really get the criticism for running here...they were burning clock and getting closer for a FG. Their backs have been pretty darn good.

A running back's job is to secure the football in that situation.
Other teams like Ravens go for it on 4theven though lamar jackson looked like a dominant player in a high school game so that means the jints have to do that too. Let alone they are basically not one of the best teams in the league in fact 0-2 and one of the worst teams.
RE: I don't think the Chiefs run it well  
bw in dc : 9/20/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15377664 UConn4523 said:
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those days are long past. They drafted CEH to fix that but it hasn't worked yet - medicore rookie season, off to a horrible start in 2021.


The Chiefs are lucky they aren't 0-2 right now. The Browns had them on the ropes for a lot of that first game...
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