The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
If Baltimore loses today they will have the same record as the Giants. I did not know that records from prior seasons help determine playoff games this year.
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Jackson walked onto a playoff team. You can't compare that to the situation Jones started with
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
So all things equal, you think Jones is as good as Jackson?
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
Sorry if you feel I was snarky.
He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.
I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
We've seen way too many by Jones. That's the difference.
But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.
I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.
Or you could just use your two eyes. The Bucs had a good OL with Jamies, he just held onto the ball FOREVER. Then they added Wirfs in a rich get richer situation. Jamies really struggles to see the field because he had talent and why Evans always put up monster seasons until Godwin became that guy. He’d lock onto one guy. Exactly why I took a flyer on Thomas for when he comes back in fantasy.
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
Sorry if you feel I was snarky.
He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
That s the problem with this medium, often tone is misinterpreted. Yes I agree Thai how he is viewed by the NFL.
I also think once narratives are established, they can skew objectivity going forward.
Ex. Eli established during the first half of his career that he had the “clutch” gene.
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Jackson won the MVP, an incredible feat. But he has looked fairly mediocre once the weather turns which is why his playoff performances have been less than stellar
Seriously, I watch every team and receivers seem to be open all the damn time. other coaches scheme their receivers open while we do not. Seriously why? Imagine KC with Hill and Kelce running stick routs all game.
here, just Jackson. They’ve designed an awesome system for him.
When he won a playoff game everyone acted like he had accomplished something incredible. Even though his stats in the playoffs are quite below average to bad.
reading comprehension. I was saying Producer said Jones has failed “everywhere he has been.”
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
reading comprehension. I was saying Producer said Jones has failed “everywhere he has been.”
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
If you think being a Heisman finalist twice and winning it once is failing.. Good for you and your high standards.
Newsflash: They don't give away Heismans and NFL MVPs. They are harder to obtain than most honors in life.
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
I think you guys are contorting yourselves to put Daniel Jones in the same class with Lamar Jackson. And it seems absurd to me. Nobody else outside of thsi board would entertain such a ridiculous notion. In Jones' second year he went 11/10 TD/INT and Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP.
Or calls their own plays. Both have flaws. Lamar is a superior athlete with a better head and offense coach. Jones is a much better passer. Ravens have had one of the best defenses in the league while Lamar has been there allowing them to just have him run most of the time with easy win passes with the opposing defense sucked up. Can’t compare the two based on the situations both were given
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Well I'd rather have Mahomes or peak Rodgers. But Lamar gives us a better shot to win a Super Bowl than Jones. So I am failing to see any inconsistency from my previous statements.
Or calls their own plays. Both have flaws. Lamar is a superior athlete with a better head and offense coach. Jones is a much better passer. Ravens have had one of the best defenses in the league while Lamar has been there allowing them to just have him run most of the time with easy win passes with the opposing defense sucked up. Can’t compare the two based on the situations both were given
Jones is not a much better passer than Lamar Jackson. In year 2 Jones went 11/10 TD/INT and Jackson went 36/6. Those are passing stats.
That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
I’d argue over say 3 seasons, there are enough games and scenarios you can judge a QB against those criteria.
Maybe not perfect, but definitely enough in my view to say one guy is better than the other.
Curious if a QB like Jackson will win one. Now, I see no one who can run and throw with such ease...very unique, but this is the type that is playing college, today. I wonder...throwing into triple coverage....did he know it was triple coverage and didn't care.
Also, curious if the future Tom Brady type QB will win one.....not too many of them are starting in college.
Mahones is certainly the gold standard and seems like somewhere between the 2 types of QB gives teams the best chance.
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Jones is not a good thrower of the football. Yes. That's what I'm saying. He is erratic, inaccurate and inconsistent. Maybe he will make a big jump, like Josh Allen, but I doubt it.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
He’s effective cause they have to load the box. The amount of 1 on 1s he he sees with everyone worried about his legs leads to wide open lanes.
Look at that TD. Wide open. It was a great play by him but it was a pretty easy throw.
I said he’s a great player but his throwing is what holds him back.
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
I am not a believer in Winston. Sure he has some great games and then he always reverts to his dumb bad play. Like Trubisky, like Mariota, and sadly, so far, like Jones. I would love to see Jones prove me wrong.
Going to ignore the fact that Lamar has only been on a team that led the league in running and defense.. All three of his years Ravens have had the number 1 defense and number one rushing attack. It helps you QB a lot. Good field position, other team having to load up against the run.
I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.
Going to ignore the fact that Lamar has only been on a team that led the league in running and defense.. All three of his years Ravens have had the number 1 defense and number one rushing attack. It helps you QB a lot. Good field position, other team having to load up against the run.
If we had Lamar we would go nuts for him. We wouldn't entertain comparisons to any QB that wasn't the best of the best: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Allen
Going to ignore the fact that Lamar has only been on a team that led the league in running and defense.. All three of his years Ravens have had the number 1 defense and number one rushing attack. It helps you QB a lot. Good field position, other team having to load up against the run.
Want to take a guess why the Ravens lead the league in rushing?
I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.
He has a league MVP in his book and some people insist on not taking him seriously here, yet making every excuse in the book for why Jones hasn't met success yet.
I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.
He has a league MVP in his book and some people insist on not taking him seriously here, yet making every excuse in the book for why Jones hasn't met success yet.
Are there people who would prefer Jones to LJax? That seems like an insane take. That said, there are 50 players I wish the Giants had (and could have had via the draft) - not sure why Jackson gets so much more air time on BBI. Josh Allen, Bradley Chubb, Roquan Smith etc etc etc
Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
No. There are people here who are saying Jones is better than LJax. You can tear into him for bad playoff games. I don't care. I agree he isn't as good as Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers.
Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
You must have missed who and how Jones was introduced into this game thread.
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
Go ahead and re-read the thread from that point on. You think the implication is that Jones isn’t “even close yet.”
Why don’t you ask BBS or Joe if they feel that way.
that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.
We just need more RPO. Jones legs are a huge advantage for him. We don’t need to emulate the Ravens offense - LJax is a human video game. Just need to keep defenses off balance.
But seriously wouldn't you want to see them emulate the Baltimore LJax offense for Jones? It would be interesting, no?
Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
You must have missed who and how Jones was introduced into this game thread.
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
Go ahead and re-read the thread from that point on. You think the implication is that Jones isn’t “even close yet.”
Why don’t you ask BBS or Joe if they feel that way.
I do feel sheepish about that post, I derailed the thread, that was not my intention.
I know Jones’ play to this point hasn’t earned the same respect as Jackson and some others. But my pt was: Quarterbacks who have achieved the stature of, “ The Guy” make similar mistakes.
It simply to imply those mistakes don’t preclude Daniel from reaching that status, if he learns to limit them.
I do believe the established narrative about him sometimes skews objectively where his mistakes are concerned, and even his good performances, like Thursday.
I guarantee Judge would have not gone for it, they are too conservative. Baltimore, yes they have Lamar but they knew they have a better chance of victory with the best running QB ever getting 3 yards than giving the ball back to Mahomes.
Every weekend I see guys I wanted the Giants to draft
making plays all over the league and many of them turn out to be stars. Most of the time the Giants draft someone that makes me not very excited and they are just average. It frustrates the hell out of me.
making plays all over the league and many of them turn out to be stars. Most of the time the Giants draft someone that makes me not very excited and they are just average. It frustrates the hell out of me.
Has been going on for years. That's why it doesn't matter if DG is gone as long as the rest of the front office and scouts are still employed
and really get into the draft. Time and time again there are players that fill a need and are better prospects then who the Giants pick and they turn out to be stars and I just don't understand their thinking.
would have been behind 35 to 3.......0 and 2 has the potential to expand out to 0 and 6 before you know it. he has already beed as close as he will get in '21.
RE: Seriously I follow college football pretty close
and really get into the draft. Time and time again there are players that fill a need and are better prospects then who the Giants pick and they turn out to be stars and I just don't understand their thinking.
I agree. It's weird. The Toney pick is a good example. The Giants could have added Paye AND Oweh. Imagine that.
would have been behind 35 to 3.......0 and 2 has the potential to expand out to 0 and 6 before you know it. he has already beed as close as he will get in '21.
Jones and Golladay MUST figure out their connection. I think that's why Golladay was upset. You have to throw it to Golladay with anticipation when he is covered.
Yep, when they took Beckham it was out of the blue for me
Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
LOL?
Comparing Judge to Harbaugh is silly at the moment.
Harbaugh coaches for a well run organization. Judge is trying to scratch together whatever the hell the Giants have been trying to accomplish since 2017.
Hate to admit it, but don’t think Giants would even consider it
I don’t like it, wish Chiefs had stopped them.
Playing to win is a bad thing? I think Harbaugh and Jackson deserve credit. Harbaugh asked him if he wanted to go. Jackson said yes, Harbaugh didn't hesitate.
We're criticizing Reid for taking the ball out of the hands of his best player. That's what Harbaugh didn't do. I think it's great.
or you could say like his old self again. I don't get it.
I just wonder how contagious and demotivating overall poor play is. It's gotta be tough for some players to bring their A or even B games when some part of them realizes it's futile and will have little impact.
Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
LOL?
I didn't see the whole play in context of the game, just a highlight... how the hell did Lamar's flip wind up thwarting a 2 point conversion chance?
Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
You must have missed the rule change. After a backflip for a TD the league cuts audio to your helmet and you have to guess the play everyone else is running.
It’s kind of like the whacky plot twists in the later Hunger Games.
You must have missed the rule change. After a backflip for a TD the league cuts audio to your helmet and you have to guess the play everyone else is running.
It’s kind of like the whacky plot twists in the later Hunger Games.
But that wasn't a backflip, it was a forward flip or perhaps a side flip. In that case, perhaps the league engages an opaque eye visor on your helmet for the next play?
Opaque visor is likely. Or maybe the other 10 guys do that thing where they mouth words without speaking to make you think something happened to your hearing.
Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
One of the shittiest comments I have ever read on this site, and that is saying something. Take a lap, douche.
Between the lack of defense and the flags on a lot of plays, football isn’t as fun for me as it was even though 5-10 years ago
I agree. The game sukcs now. Everything is some ticky tack call to promote passing now defenses can't stop anybody. Going for it on 4th down on your side of the 50. Ridiculous. All it is now is who gets the ball last and playing to the clock.
I also liked it when QBs had fewer rushing yards than running backs.
Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.
Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.
I don't really get the criticism for running here...they were burning clock and getting closer for a FG. Their backs have been pretty darn good.
A running back's job is to secure the football in that situation.
Other teams like Ravens go for it on 4theven though lamar jackson looked like a dominant player in a high school game so that means the jints have to do that too. Let alone they are basically not one of the best teams in the league in fact 0-2 and one of the worst teams.
What about the play before?
Throw to Watkins was also behind him by at least a yard
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Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.
What about the play before?
Missed the throw - agree.
Doesn't change the fact that Watkins fell down.
We can’t have nice things
Rodgers is in the conversation.
And people forget how great Elway was off platform.
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Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes
Rodgers is in the conversation.
And people forget how great Elway was off platform.
2 good examples
But he is trying to make points happen! :)
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
I doubt it. he will continue to be a problem as long as he has his twitch and speed. When he loses that, then maybe...
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
If Baltimore loses today they will have the same record as the Giants. I did not know that records from prior seasons help determine playoff games this year.
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Jackson walked onto a playoff team. You can't compare that to the situation Jones started with
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
So all things equal, you think Jones is as good as Jackson?
I don’t think the finial chapter has been written on either quarterback
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
Sorry if you feel I was snarky.
He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
Jones has failed everywhere.
I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.
What has he won in the Pros?
Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
What has he won in the Pros?
Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
This is for producer
So far, so good - for sure. They knew they needed to protect their QB savant, so they sparred no expense.
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?
Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
This is for producer
outside of the MVP in his second year, what did he do? That's like saying out side of the nobel prize what makes someone a good writer.
We've seen way too many by Jones. That's the difference.
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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.
I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.
Or you could just use your two eyes. The Bucs had a good OL with Jamies, he just held onto the ball FOREVER. Then they added Wirfs in a rich get richer situation. Jamies really struggles to see the field because he had talent and why Evans always put up monster seasons until Godwin became that guy. He’d lock onto one guy. Exactly why I took a flyer on Thomas for when he comes back in fantasy.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
He was a two-time Heisman finalist, a rare achievement, and won it once.
How did Daniel Jones do in Heisman voting?
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?
Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
This is for producer
outside of the MVP in his second year, what did he do? That's like saying out side of the nobel prize what makes someone a good writer.
LOL...Okay, then it should be a breeze for you to answer then right?
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
Sorry if you feel I was snarky.
He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
That s the problem with this medium, often tone is misinterpreted. Yes I agree Thai how he is viewed by the NFL.
I also think once narratives are established, they can skew objectivity going forward.
Ex. Eli established during the first half of his career that he had the “clutch” gene.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Because he won a Heisman BBS!!
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
Exactly
yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.
Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
Exactly
yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.
Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
I completely agree with this BreedBlue.
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
Exactly
yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.
Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
I completely agree with this BreedBlue.
BleedBlue I mean.
When he won a playoff game everyone acted like he had accomplished something incredible. Even though his stats in the playoffs are quite below average to bad.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
Oh and Jones also had a higher completion rate
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
If you think being a Heisman finalist twice and winning it once is failing.. Good for you and your high standards.
Newsflash: They don't give away Heismans and NFL MVPs. They are harder to obtain than most honors in life.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
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I’d argue accomplishments in order of importance:
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
I think you guys are contorting yourselves to put Daniel Jones in the same class with Lamar Jackson. And it seems absurd to me. Nobody else outside of thsi board would entertain such a ridiculous notion. In Jones' second year he went 11/10 TD/INT and Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Well I'd rather have Mahomes or peak Rodgers. But Lamar gives us a better shot to win a Super Bowl than Jones. So I am failing to see any inconsistency from my previous statements.
Jones is not a much better passer than Lamar Jackson. In year 2 Jones went 11/10 TD/INT and Jackson went 36/6. Those are passing stats.
I’d argue over say 3 seasons, there are enough games and scenarios you can judge a QB against those criteria.
Maybe not perfect, but definitely enough in my view to say one guy is better than the other.
Curious if a QB like Jackson will win one. Now, I see no one who can run and throw with such ease...very unique, but this is the type that is playing college, today. I wonder...throwing into triple coverage....did he know it was triple coverage and didn't care.
Also, curious if the future Tom Brady type QB will win one.....not too many of them are starting in college.
Mahones is certainly the gold standard and seems like somewhere between the 2 types of QB gives teams the best chance.
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
So in three years, Jones had less yards passing yards, less rushing yards, less passing and rushing TDs, and more INTs than Jackson. Got it.
They weren't in the same stratosphere as players.
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Jones is not a good thrower of the football. Yes. That's what I'm saying. He is erratic, inaccurate and inconsistent. Maybe he will make a big jump, like Josh Allen, but I doubt it.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
Anyone else?
Anyone else?
Duh
Anyone else?
Jones > Marino
Jones > Unitas
Jones . Moon
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
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Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
He’s effective cause they have to load the box. The amount of 1 on 1s he he sees with everyone worried about his legs leads to wide open lanes.
Look at that TD. Wide open. It was a great play by him but it was a pretty easy throw.
I said he’s a great player but his throwing is what holds him back.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
So in three years, Jones had less yards passing yards, less rushing yards, less passing and rushing TDs, and more INTs than Jackson. Got it.
They weren't in the same stratosphere as players.
Also, Lamar Jackson would have to throw 8 more interceptions or lose 8 more fumbles this game to equal Jones' career turnover mark.
He'd also have to lose about 76 games in a row to hit Jones' career win-loss percentage.
I mean Jackson.
Hard to tell the difference there...
Yes because he was wide open which has been my point.
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
I am not a believer in Winston. Sure he has some great games and then he always reverts to his dumb bad play. Like Trubisky, like Mariota, and sadly, so far, like Jones. I would love to see Jones prove me wrong.
I miss good defense
Kelce, I mean
Have you missed all the tips for INTs that are shown after our games are over? I mean who can compete with that!
I miss good defense
those days are mostly gone. I like the old days too. 70s were my favorite era.
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Just cost me my FF game tonight..Dammit!
Kelce, I mean
I feelya..
The Hollywood Brown TD cost me a game, it looks like.
I mean Jackson.
Hard to tell the difference there...
Especially with the 2 INTs early on. Just like Jones right?
It's ridiculous
If we had Lamar we would go nuts for him. We wouldn't entertain comparisons to any QB that wasn't the best of the best: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Allen
Want to take a guess why the Ravens lead the league in rushing?
running is the very best part of DJs game, and he's really good at it. Washington couldn't defend it.
He has a league MVP in his book and some people insist on not taking him seriously here, yet making every excuse in the book for why Jones hasn't met success yet.
not the TD, the 2 point conversion
and a pretty weak call
NFL officiating has had a brutally bad day.
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wiping away a Balt TD
not the TD, the 2 point conversion
and a pretty weak call
yes thanks for the correction
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I will never understand it. Once in a generation athlete that has some holes in his game. Not sure why we keep discussing and comparing to Jones. Jones has accomplished nothing and his game is totally different.
He has a league MVP in his book and some people insist on not taking him seriously here, yet making every excuse in the book for why Jones hasn't met success yet.
Are there people who would prefer Jones to LJax? That seems like an insane take. That said, there are 50 players I wish the Giants had (and could have had via the draft) - not sure why Jackson gets so much more air time on BBI. Josh Allen, Bradley Chubb, Roquan Smith etc etc etc
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
No. There are people here who are saying Jones is better than LJax. You can tear into him for bad playoff games. I don't care. I agree he isn't as good as Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers.
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No foul
NFL officiating has had a brutally bad day.
*week
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
You must have missed who and how Jones was introduced into this game thread.
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
Go ahead and re-read the thread from that point on. You think the implication is that Jones isn’t “even close yet.”
Why don’t you ask BBS or Joe if they feel that way.
hehehe
I wait until the playoffs to see Lamar look like Daniel lol
Yeah if only Jones could do a cartwheel like Jackson into the endzone...Were there bonus points for that?
But seriously wouldn't you want to see them emulate the Baltimore LJax offense for Jones? It would be interesting, no?
Even when the defense has seen the QB keep the ball, there is a strong tendency to go for the RB fake.
Even when the defense has seen the QB keep the ball, there is a strong tendency to go for the RB fake.
100%. Why didn't they do the read option at least once there?
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on second down after the Bradberry INT.
Even when the defense has seen the QB keep the ball, there is a strong tendency to go for the RB fake.
100%. Why didn't they do the read option at least once there?
It's possible that the coaches might be the biggest problem with the NYG
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that Jones and LJax are #8 makes it even harder to differentiate them as players.
We just need more RPO. Jones legs are a huge advantage for him. We don’t need to emulate the Ravens offense - LJax is a human video game. Just need to keep defenses off balance.
But seriously wouldn't you want to see them emulate the Baltimore LJax offense for Jones? It would be interesting, no?
Offense, specifically passing offense, rules the league.
remember the saying, "chicks dig the longball"?
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Guys like you and Terps have the same issue: you fail to understand (actually you do understand, you’re just playing dumb) that nobody on this message board is saying that Jones is in the same category as Jackson as a player, they aren’t even close yet.
You create this straw man argument for yourself when people criticize Jackson for his shitty playoff performances.
You must have missed who and how Jones was introduced into this game thread.
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I know Jones has turned
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
Go ahead and re-read the thread from that point on. You think the implication is that Jones isn’t “even close yet.”
Why don’t you ask BBS or Joe if they feel that way.
I do feel sheepish about that post, I derailed the thread, that was not my intention.
I know Jones’ play to this point hasn’t earned the same respect as Jackson and some others. But my pt was: Quarterbacks who have achieved the stature of, “ The Guy” make similar mistakes.
It simply to imply those mistakes don’t preclude Daniel from reaching that status, if he learns to limit them.
I do believe the established narrative about him sometimes skews objectively where his mistakes are concerned, and even his good performances, like Thursday.
Andy took it out of Mahomes hands all 4th quarter.
Andy took it out of Mahomes hands all 4th quarter.
Haha agreed
By a rookie no less
Great point.
Going 4 th and 1, up 1 pt on your own 35.
Hate to admit it, but don’t think Giants would even consider it
I don’t like it, wish Chiefs had stopped them.
Has been going on for years. That's why it doesn't matter if DG is gone as long as the rest of the front office and scouts are still employed
Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.
Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.
I mean you can throw 3-5 yard passes. Outside a dumb decision - Mahomes was perfect all night.
especially CEH.. he's not very good.
I agree. It's weird. The Toney pick is a good example. The Giants could have added Paye AND Oweh. Imagine that.
Jones and Golladay MUST figure out their connection. I think that's why Golladay was upset. You have to throw it to Golladay with anticipation when he is covered.
Oh and Baltimore picked Oweh 11 picks after we picked Toney. I wasn't aware rookie first rounders were allowed to make plays in big spots.
Not all night, but someone definitely moved early on that last TD LJ scored rolling to the right.
BTW, anyone else notice some nice crunching blocks Zeitler threw tonight?
And Devonta Freeman looked a lot quicker than his Giants stint.
LOL?
Going 4 th and 1, up 1 pt on your own 35.
Hate to admit it, but don’t think Giants would even consider it
I don’t like it, wish Chiefs had stopped them.
Playing to win is a bad thing? I think Harbaugh and Jackson deserve credit. Harbaugh asked him if he wanted to go. Jackson said yes, Harbaugh didn't hesitate.
We're criticizing Reid for taking the ball out of the hands of his best player. That's what Harbaugh didn't do. I think it's great.
I just wonder how contagious and demotivating overall poor play is. It's gotta be tough for some players to bring their A or even B games when some part of them realizes it's futile and will have little impact.
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Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
LOL?
I didn't see the whole play in context of the game, just a highlight... how the hell did Lamar's flip wind up thwarting a 2 point conversion chance?
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Dumbest QB in the NFL, can’t throw. Flipping into the EZ instead of setting team up for 2 point conversion. He’ll be sleeping under a bridge in 10 years.
LOL?
Just an incredibly stupid post on so many levels.
Hell of a comeback by Lamar and the Ravens.
It’s kind of like the whacky plot twists in the later Hunger Games.
It’s kind of like the whacky plot twists in the later Hunger Games.
But that wasn't a backflip, it was a forward flip or perhaps a side flip. In that case, perhaps the league engages an opaque eye visor on your helmet for the next play?
One of the shittiest comments I have ever read on this site, and that is saying something. Take a lap, douche.
I agree. The game sukcs now. Everything is some ticky tack call to promote passing now defenses can't stop anybody. Going for it on 4th down on your side of the 50. Ridiculous. All it is now is who gets the ball last and playing to the clock.
I also liked it when QBs had fewer rushing yards than running backs.
He was on the Ravens board celebrating! haha
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.
Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.
I don't really get the criticism for running here...they were burning clock and getting closer for a FG. Their backs have been pretty darn good.
A running back's job is to secure the football in that situation.
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In comment 15377121 GNewGiants said:
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Ran it. Coaches overthink. Let your best player win the game.
Yeah I would have kept passing, I understand the need to burn the clock and just get into FG range, but they don’t have a RB you can really rely on.
I don't really get the criticism for running here...they were burning clock and getting closer for a FG. Their backs have been pretty darn good.
A running back's job is to secure the football in that situation.
The Chiefs are lucky they aren't 0-2 right now. The Browns had them on the ropes for a lot of that first game...