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GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:26 pm
Lamar missed an easy TD then throws pick 6.
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Watkins fell down...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:27 pm : link
Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:27 pm : link
So was he trying to “create a play there?” Brutal throw.
RE: Watkins fell down...  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15376854 bw in dc said:
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Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.


What about the play before?
Two plays by Lamar  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:28 pm : link
Overthrow by 7 yards on a wide-open WR for a TD and a pick-six, all in the first 50 seconds
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montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15376856 ryanmkeane said:
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So was he trying to “create a play there?” Brutal throw.

Throw to Watkins was also behind him by at least a yard
RE: RE: Watkins fell down...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15376858 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15376854 bw in dc said:


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Hard to blame LJax on that. Bad luck.



What about the play before?


Missed the throw - agree.

Doesn't change the fact that Watkins fell down.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:31 pm : link
I’d run all night against KC
LOL...Lucky play for the Ravens  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:32 pm : link
Fumble plucked out of the air for a TD
That’s how Baltimore wins  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:32 pm : link
Run game run game run game
That was unreal...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:32 pm : link
...
Can the Giants get one of these lucky plays sometime this century?  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 8:33 pm : link
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crazy play on the td  
Producer : 9/19/2021 8:33 pm : link
gonna be a fun game
RE: Can the Giants get one of these lucky plays sometime this century?  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15376867 Zeke's Alibi said:
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We can’t have nice things
Can anyone remember  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:40 pm : link
Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes
That s just  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:42 pm : link
Ridiculous
Mahomes....  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/19/2021 8:43 pm : link
seriously wtf. What a pretty throw
OMG Mahomes so awesome  
LG in NYC : 9/19/2021 8:44 pm : link
There is good football being played in the NFL, just not by the Giants

RE: Can anyone remember  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15376871 joeinpa said:
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Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes


Rodgers is in the conversation.

And people forget how great Elway was off platform.
Lamar  
GNewGiants : 9/19/2021 8:52 pm : link
Another great throw.
RE: RE: Can anyone remember  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15376880 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15376871 joeinpa said:


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Another quarterback who threw off platform as well as Mahomes



Rodgers is in the conversation.

And people forget how great Elway was off platform.


2 good examples
Favre made his living  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2021 8:52 pm : link
that way.
How'd that happen?  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:53 pm : link
No one fell down on him.
Idiotic throw...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 8:54 pm : link
LJax off to a rough start in 2021.
These USAA Gronk commercials  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:54 pm : link
Are pure cringe.
RE: How'd that happen?  
Mike in NY : 9/19/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15376889 montanagiant said:
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No one fell down on him.


But he is trying to make points happen! :)
He threw that into triple coverage  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 8:56 pm : link
Come on man!
I know Jones has turned  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 8:56 pm : link
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 8:57 pm : link
Still of the opinion that Lamar will be figured out eventually
RE: I know Jones has turned  
Producer : 9/19/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.


But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?
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Producer : 9/19/2021 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15376897 ryanmkeane said:
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Still of the opinion that Lamar will be figured out eventually


I doubt it. he will continue to be a problem as long as he has his twitch and speed. When he loses that, then maybe...
RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
Mike in NY : 9/19/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15376900 Producer said:
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In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:


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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?


If Baltimore loses today they will have the same record as the Giants. I did not know that records from prior seasons help determine playoff games this year.
 
christian : 9/19/2021 9:06 pm : link
Is the implication Jones is as good as Jackson, or the Giants as good as the Ravens?
RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
joeinpa : 9/19/2021 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15376900 Producer said:
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In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:


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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?


Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15376900 Producer said:
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In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:


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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?

Jackson walked onto a playoff team. You can't compare that to the situation Jones started with
RE: RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
christian : 9/19/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15376911 joeinpa said:
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Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.


So all things equal, you think Jones is as good as Jackson?
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joeinpa : 9/19/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15376910 christian said:
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Is the implication Jones is as good as Jackson, or the Giants as good as the Ravens?


I don’t think the finial chapter has been written on either quarterback

RE: RE: RE: I know Jones has turned  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15376911 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15376900 Producer said:


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In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:


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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.



But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.

See the difference?



Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree

Circumstances are often dictate level of success.


Sorry if you feel I was snarky.

He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
Lamar Jackson has succeeded  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:11 pm : link
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.

Jones has failed everywhere.
I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
The_Boss : 9/19/2021 9:12 pm : link
But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.
RE: I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15376922 The_Boss said:
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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.


I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.
That is truly a questionable post  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:15 pm : link
What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
RE: That is truly a questionable post  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15376925 montanagiant said:
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished

This is for producer
One thing Andy Reid is good at  
Giants73 : 9/19/2021 9:16 pm : link
Is eating, another is running an offense. Even made McNabb successful.
Jones  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:19 pm : link
had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
RE: I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15376922 The_Boss said:
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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.


So far, so good - for sure. They knew they needed to protect their QB savant, so they sparred no expense.
RE: Jones  
montanagiant : 9/19/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15376929 ryanmkeane said:
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?

Exactly
RE: RE: That is truly a questionable post  
Producer : 9/19/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15376926 montanagiant said:
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In comment 15376925 montanagiant said:


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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?

Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished


This is for producer


outside of the MVP in his second year, what did he do? That's like saying out side of the nobel prize what makes someone a good writer.
RE: I know Jones has turned  
bw in dc : 9/19/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15376896 joeinpa said:
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.


We've seen way too many by Jones. That's the difference.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2021 9:22 pm : link
Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
RE: RE: I know they have a great roster so it should be easier.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15376924 Producer said:
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In comment 15376922 The_Boss said:


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But it’s amazing how they rebuilt an entire OL in just one offseason in KC.



I think something that doesn't get mentioned here nearly enough is that good QBs help make an O-Line good. I think the Athletic once did an analysis of this. Tom Brady's O-lineman do much better on protections with him than when they move to a new team. Their isolated protection figures go way down. Part of having a good O-Line is having a great QB.


Or you could just use your two eyes. The Bucs had a good OL with Jamies, he just held onto the ball FOREVER. Then they added Wirfs in a rich get richer situation. Jamies really struggles to see the field because he had talent and why Evans always put up monster seasons until Godwin became that guy. He’d lock onto one guy. Exactly why I took a flyer on Thomas for when he comes back in fantasy.
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