everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
Sorry if you feel I was snarky.
He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
That s the problem with this medium, often tone is misinterpreted. Yes I agree Thai how he is viewed by the NFL.
I also think once narratives are established, they can skew objectivity going forward.
Ex. Eli established during the first half of his career that he had the “clutch” gene.
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Jackson won the MVP, an incredible feat. But he has looked fairly mediocre once the weather turns which is why his playoff performances have been less than stellar
Seriously, I watch every team and receivers seem to be open all the damn time. other coaches scheme their receivers open while we do not. Seriously why? Imagine KC with Hill and Kelce running stick routs all game.
here, just Jackson. They’ve designed an awesome system for him.
When he won a playoff game everyone acted like he had accomplished something incredible. Even though his stats in the playoffs are quite below average to bad.
reading comprehension. I was saying Producer said Jones has failed “everywhere he has been.”
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
reading comprehension. I was saying Producer said Jones has failed “everywhere he has been.”
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
If you think being a Heisman finalist twice and winning it once is failing.. Good for you and your high standards.
Newsflash: They don't give away Heismans and NFL MVPs. They are harder to obtain than most honors in life.
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
I think you guys are contorting yourselves to put Daniel Jones in the same class with Lamar Jackson. And it seems absurd to me. Nobody else outside of thsi board would entertain such a ridiculous notion. In Jones' second year he went 11/10 TD/INT and Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP.
Or calls their own plays. Both have flaws. Lamar is a superior athlete with a better head and offense coach. Jones is a much better passer. Ravens have had one of the best defenses in the league while Lamar has been there allowing them to just have him run most of the time with easy win passes with the opposing defense sucked up. Can’t compare the two based on the situations both were given
everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Well I'd rather have Mahomes or peak Rodgers. But Lamar gives us a better shot to win a Super Bowl than Jones. So I am failing to see any inconsistency from my previous statements.
Or calls their own plays. Both have flaws. Lamar is a superior athlete with a better head and offense coach. Jones is a much better passer. Ravens have had one of the best defenses in the league while Lamar has been there allowing them to just have him run most of the time with easy win passes with the opposing defense sucked up. Can’t compare the two based on the situations both were given
Jones is not a much better passer than Lamar Jackson. In year 2 Jones went 11/10 TD/INT and Jackson went 36/6. Those are passing stats.
That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
I’d argue over say 3 seasons, there are enough games and scenarios you can judge a QB against those criteria.
Maybe not perfect, but definitely enough in my view to say one guy is better than the other.
Curious if a QB like Jackson will win one. Now, I see no one who can run and throw with such ease...very unique, but this is the type that is playing college, today. I wonder...throwing into triple coverage....did he know it was triple coverage and didn't care.
Also, curious if the future Tom Brady type QB will win one.....not too many of them are starting in college.
Mahones is certainly the gold standard and seems like somewhere between the 2 types of QB gives teams the best chance.
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Jones is not a good thrower of the football. Yes. That's what I'm saying. He is erratic, inaccurate and inconsistent. Maybe he will make a big jump, like Josh Allen, but I doubt it.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
He’s effective cause they have to load the box. The amount of 1 on 1s he he sees with everyone worried about his legs leads to wide open lanes.
Look at that TD. Wide open. It was a great play by him but it was a pretty easy throw.
I said he’s a great player but his throwing is what holds him back.
to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
I am not a believer in Winston. Sure he has some great games and then he always reverts to his dumb bad play. Like Trubisky, like Mariota, and sadly, so far, like Jones. I would love to see Jones prove me wrong.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
He was a two-time Heisman finalist, a rare achievement, and won it once.
How did Daniel Jones do in Heisman voting?
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What did he win in College?
What has he won in the Pros?
Outside of his one MVP year, what else has he accomplished
This is for producer
outside of the MVP in his second year, what did he do? That's like saying out side of the nobel prize what makes someone a good writer.
LOL...Okay, then it should be a breeze for you to answer then right?
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The ball over bunch his first two seasons, but honestly. I ve seen several terrible throws today, by several good young quarterbacks, that had Daniel thrown them, they would be held as examples of why he will never be A quality NFL quarterback.
But these QBs have sustained records of excellence, and they win games, and put up gaudy stats. Daniel Jones has had a sustained period of awful play with a couple of good games mixed in, he lost most of his games, never made the playoffs, and never put up great stats.
See the difference?
Of course I do, why do you feel the need to get snarky. But Are you implying that Jones hasn’t had some impressive moments his first two seasons, because I disagree
Circumstances are often dictate level of success.
Sorry if you feel I was snarky.
He has had moments, but too few and the overall impression is a bad and inconsistent QB, which is how the rest of the NFL views him.
That s the problem with this medium, often tone is misinterpreted. Yes I agree Thai how he is viewed by the NFL.
I also think once narratives are established, they can skew objectivity going forward.
Ex. Eli established during the first half of his career that he had the “clutch” gene.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Because he won a Heisman BBS!!
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
Exactly
yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.
Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
Exactly
yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.
Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
I completely agree with this BreedBlue.
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
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had more bowl wins in college than Jackson. They had the same amount of wins in their college career. What are you talking about?
Exactly
yea, people are clowns. they talk out of their asses.
Imo jackson isnt a good passer of the football. I think the jury is out on both as qbs.
I completely agree with this BreedBlue.
BleedBlue I mean.
When he won a playoff game everyone acted like he had accomplished something incredible. Even though his stats in the playoffs are quite below average to bad.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
Oh and Jones also had a higher completion rate
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
He had the same amount of wins including more bowl wins in college than Jackson did. So my question was - if he considered Jones to be a failure in college - he should apply the same standard.
If you think being a Heisman finalist twice and winning it once is failing.. Good for you and your high standards.
Newsflash: They don't give away Heismans and NFL MVPs. They are harder to obtain than most honors in life.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
That would make sense if this were golf and there was only one guy on the field competing against one other guy. Unfortunately, football simply isn’t that black and white. There are a ton of moving parts. BBIers THINK it’s that simple, but shockingly, it’s not
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I’d argue accomplishments in order of importance:
Super Bowl wins
Super Bowl appearances
Playoff wins
Playoff appearances
Regular season wins
Awards
Regular season stats
Given neither guy qualifies for #1 and #2 — let’s judge the two guys on the others. How’s that look?
I actually think this is a very fair breakdown of how a QB should be judged
I think you guys are contorting yourselves to put Daniel Jones in the same class with Lamar Jackson. And it seems absurd to me. Nobody else outside of thsi board would entertain such a ridiculous notion. In Jones' second year he went 11/10 TD/INT and Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP.
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everywhere he has been, college and pro. He has team accomplishments and great individual accomplishments.
Jones has failed everywhere.
Jackson is on better. But he has the exact same amount of Super Bowl wins and all of one more playoff win than Jones while being on a much, much, much better team his entire career. Every time you post your obsessive franchise QB posts, it revolves around getting someone here that will win Super Bowls. That is the only object that matters to you. So why the hell do you now change that to defend Jackson? Do you think the Giants would have won a Super Bowl with Jackson instead of Jones even though he hasn’t done that on a much more talented team? Or is it now about regular season stats and playoff wins and Super Bowls don’t matter? I’m just trying to figure out what your standard is since you’re all over the place, depending on whether it’s Jones or any other QB not named Jones you’re talking about. Do the Giants need a QB to win a Super Bowl or are you ok just winning some regular season games and losing in the first round?
Why are you insisting that Jones is as good or as effective as Lamar Jackson. It's laughable. To this point Jackson has been the much better QB, regardless of team. He's in that top-8. And he gives any team a better chance to WIN SUPERBOWLS than Daniel Jones. This is an embarrassing conversation that wouldn't take place outside of a Giants message board.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said Jackson is better. But with the amount of time you’ve spent whining, bitching, moaning and complaining that you want a franchise QB that can come in here and win multiple championships, Jackson seems like a strange hill to die on since he hasn’t done what you demand from your franchise QB. So now I guess regular season wins are cool and you’ll have no problem when the next guy comes in and can’t ever get to the second round of the playoffs, right? You’ll be ok with that? Haha, yeah, SUUUUUURE you wil.
Well I'd rather have Mahomes or peak Rodgers. But Lamar gives us a better shot to win a Super Bowl than Jones. So I am failing to see any inconsistency from my previous statements.
Jones is not a much better passer than Lamar Jackson. In year 2 Jones went 11/10 TD/INT and Jackson went 36/6. Those are passing stats.
I’d argue over say 3 seasons, there are enough games and scenarios you can judge a QB against those criteria.
Maybe not perfect, but definitely enough in my view to say one guy is better than the other.
Curious if a QB like Jackson will win one. Now, I see no one who can run and throw with such ease...very unique, but this is the type that is playing college, today. I wonder...throwing into triple coverage....did he know it was triple coverage and didn't care.
Also, curious if the future Tom Brady type QB will win one.....not too many of them are starting in college.
Mahones is certainly the gold standard and seems like somewhere between the 2 types of QB gives teams the best chance.
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
So in three years, Jones had less yards passing yards, less rushing yards, less passing and rushing TDs, and more INTs than Jackson. Got it.
They weren't in the same stratosphere as players.
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
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If you watch the two throw anyone can see Jones is a better thrower of the ball. Situation often dictates results
he's not. Jones has an adequate arm and makes certain throws really well. But his short to intermediate stats say he is inaccurate and the eye test affirms he botches many throws every game, which is the main reason his stats are not good.
Are you really suggesting Lamar is a better thrower of the football? He’s probably the least accurate starter in football, maybe outside the rookies.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Jones is not a good thrower of the football. Yes. That's what I'm saying. He is erratic, inaccurate and inconsistent. Maybe he will make a big jump, like Josh Allen, but I doubt it.
Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
Anyone else?
Anyone else?
Duh
Anyone else?
Jones > Marino
Jones > Unitas
Jones . Moon
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
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Guys get wide open based off playing the run. Little easier to throw then when you expect it. Lamar is a great player no doubt - but not a very good thrower.
Lamar is very unorthodox as a thrower. I have said countless times he needs to work on his footwork and his throwing motion to really maximize his passing.
Despite that, he's been more effective as a passer than Jones in the pros in every key statistical metric.
He’s effective cause they have to load the box. The amount of 1 on 1s he he sees with everyone worried about his legs leads to wide open lanes.
Look at that TD. Wide open. It was a great play by him but it was a pretty easy throw.
I said he’s a great player but his throwing is what holds him back.
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Producer, if Jones “failed” in college, what did Jackson do?
Did you just ask that question?
In three years at Louisville, he threw 69 TD passes, threw for 9K yards, ran for 4K+ yards, had 50 rushing TDs, etc.
He was literally a one man show...
Jones threw for 8200 yards on a team that no way in hell had close to the same talent Lousville had
So in three years, Jones had less yards passing yards, less rushing yards, less passing and rushing TDs, and more INTs than Jackson. Got it.
They weren't in the same stratosphere as players.
Also, Lamar Jackson would have to throw 8 more interceptions or lose 8 more fumbles this game to equal Jones' career turnover mark.
He'd also have to lose about 76 games in a row to hit Jones' career win-loss percentage.
I mean Jackson.
Hard to tell the difference there...
Yes because he was wide open which has been my point.
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to take bw and Producers criticism of Jones too seriously anymore when they dissect everything he does, then argue how talented how much more talented Jameis Winston is. How'd he look today?
I never touted Winston. Never. I think he is wild, erratic, inconsistent, and inaccurate.
"If Sean Payton is our coach Daniel Jones isn't our QB"
Maybe I looked too much into in your regard. In context of bw saying "I'm not much of a Winston guy but he is a much more talented passer than Jones"
I am not a believer in Winston. Sure he has some great games and then he always reverts to his dumb bad play. Like Trubisky, like Mariota, and sadly, so far, like Jones. I would love to see Jones prove me wrong.