Is it just me or does it look like every other team

If you watch the rest of the league, the Giants have an argument for having one of the three or four worst rosters in the NFL. The only one that quickly jumps to my mind as being worse is the Jets. But after them the Giants are in the conversation.

These are some bad times we're living right now.

But we are not exactly good judges. I see us run for 7 yards and it looks like 2 and vice versa when I watch on defense. This team seemed to play faster and harder last season than they have so far in 2021, not sure why.

But I see coaches chest bumping, giving high fives, putting faith in the hands of their players etc. Also every game I watched today had a play that would be an all time Giants highlight. Yet it seems routine for most teams.

That said, feel free to let us know how you feel about the Lions tomorrow night.

instead of paying close attention the Lions but somehow I get the feeling I will still see more energy from a Dan Campbell coached team.

but the Bucs/Cowboys opener and KC/Baltimore games were sobering. We have a few good players, but zero great ones.

No defensive scheme can offset no pass rush, the other teams are like cars with fully inflated tires, the DG built giants are a car with three flats and one wheel in a rim….it just ain’t going anywhere but the junkyard.

I agree with GT. I watch as many games as I can every weekend, and our talent level is putrid across the board. I see rookie players making impacts across the league, I see impactful veterans on every team but ours. Our scouts are doing a horrible job in college and pro evaluation, we sign overpriced limited FAs who are simply solid and they are paid like superstars because we draft horribly. Everything in the building sucks.

The have to figure out how to make it work with him or its all over for Garrett and Jones, and maybe Judge too.

In comment 15377160 Joey in VA said:

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I agree with GT. I watch as many games as I can every weekend, and our talent level is putrid across the board. I see rookie players making impacts across the league, I see impactful veterans on every team but ours. Our scouts are doing a horrible job in college and pro evaluation, we sign overpriced limited FAs who are simply solid and they are paid like superstars because we draft horribly. Everything in the building sucks.

We don't have a coherent system and a clear identity. Good teams sign players to fit a system. The Giants seem to sign players to be saviors. Golladay because our corps is broken. Solder because our line sucks. But do they know in advance how they are going to utilize Golladay? How you make it work with him? Does Daniel Jones know? because it seems he doesn't. It seems he arrived at the stadium for the first game and was like wow.. I guess I'm gonna throw the ball to this guy...

our energy for a strong second half of the season.

The Giants are a boring team. Not just in the sense of entertainment value, but in terms of playstyle and philosophy. Some of the problems discussed on this board on a daily basis come through in the play. That's not to say we're all experts, but some of it is just so obvious it can't be ignored.

Been that way for a while too. It's not overnight.

In comment 15377148 Go Terps said:

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If you watch the rest of the league, the Giants have an argument for having one of the three or four worst rosters in the NFL. The only one that quickly jumps to my mind as being worse is the Jets. But after them the Giants are in the conversation. These are some bad times we're living right now.

This post is clearly talking about defense because that's where this is more relevant and while overrated we don't have a bottom 4 defense.

- Do we control the line of scrimmage on O? No.
- Do we control the line of scrimmage on D? No.

Right there you're basically a limited team. This is the price of admission to being at least good. Then go further:

- Do we have dynamic playmakers on O? Jones flashes but has to be more consistent and avoid dumb turnovers. Toney is MIA so far. Galladay has looked just OK so far. EE has the potential but it's unmet with a lot of costly errors. On D, our ends are terrible. Our DBs seem to have potential but are not playing well so far. Our LBs are serviceable but not dynamic (Martinez is a tackling machine, but he's not take over the game dynamic).

- Do we have coaches that can take advantage of the talent we do have? So far, given soft zones and some bizarre play calling at times, it's a mixed bag at best.

Watching the SNF game tonight between the Ravens and KC, it's a gap a mile long and 2 miles wide between them and us right now.

It's not impossible to get a lot better with our personnel. But for it to happen, the OL needs to gel and whatever we have cobbled together has to stabilize and play at least OK. And some guys with talent on both sides of the ball need to mature and start making plays. And coaches better find a formula that works. I think they're trying to figure out what this team does well. They better figure it out fast and start playing to our strengths.

If you're not going to be a dynamic play making team, you better be able to overpower people a la the 86 Giants on O . But we're not in that zip code.

like shit. The roster is very top heavy, and the top isn't even that heavy. Judge was praised about all the waiver wire/special teams moves he makes, but to me that just shows a team that is so poor for depth they're looking at other teams castaways as treasure. We've been doing this now for a while. Every year is rinse, recycle, repeat. It's exhausting to watch and root for this team/organization, and it has been for a while now. A full house cleaning is needed, but we all know it won't happen.

In comment 15377169 BestFeature said:

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In comment 15377148 Go Terps said: Quote: If you watch the rest of the league, the Giants have an argument for having one of the three or four worst rosters in the NFL. The only one that quickly jumps to my mind as being worse is the Jets. But after them the Giants are in the conversation. These are some bad times we're living right now. This post is clearly talking about defense because that's where this is more relevant and while overrated we don't have a bottom 4 defense.

Roster talent doesn't equal defensive rating. I think everyone will agree that the defense over performed their talent level last year due to the coaching.

In comment 15377148 Go Terps said:

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If you watch the rest of the league, the Giants have an argument for having one of the three or four worst rosters in the NFL. The only one that quickly jumps to my mind as being worse is the Jets. But after them the Giants are in the conversation. These are some bad times we're living right now.

This. My God. There are only so many different ways to spell out to everyone on here just how bad this team is. No way would the Giants hang with either one of the teams in tonight's Sunday Night Football game.

Pretty good yesterday. Offense was terrible.

Not getting out the most of the talent.

Utilizing the talent

Poor planning....

This roster has enough talent

How many field goal tries were there around the league in week 2? I don't know the exact number, but a lot including game ending makes and a game ending miss, and there were no offside calls except for the one on the Giants Thursday night.

And the last time the Giants had the ball, it would have been nice to play to win rather than that conservative play not to lose play calling. Harbaugh and the Ravens sure were playing to win rather than not to lose when they went for that last 4th and 1.

The old rules....do no throw INTs is out the window....

New rule 1....Just throw it....more good than bad happens!

Pick 6....who cares....the Giants won't throw another pass.....in Baltimore, we need to throw it more ans further.

Old Rule #2.....have 2 running options....?is no longer in play.


Rule #2.....3 running options every play....with pre-snap movements from everywhere.

And its not lack of talent....its philosophical differences

The Giants have 3 great options to run ball in Jones, Barkley and Toney.

The Giants rarely have pre-snap movements....

And throwing longer is actually better for Jones....

After last nights game.....i didn't come away...thinking lack of talent.

I came away thinking the Giants current offense is ancient in comparison.

Baltimore said....we are not giving the ball back.

Does Raiders try to make sure Pitts uses 2 of their TOs?

Of course not....


They throw a bomb for a TD.

Judge says....he looks at the other games...i sure hope it opens his eyes.

is our jaded prospective, a product of our team being so lousy the last several years.

First, the OL continues to be mediocre at best. That makes the entire offense look mediocre even scoring 29. Objectively, we know guys like Golladay, Shepard, and even Slayton (were you complaining about him on his TD catch) and a heathy Barkley (if he gets healthy) are comparable to other players we watch. But we have so many plays where the OL doesn’t pass block or run block the offense and the offensive players look, like I said, mediocre.

Second, the defense, who we know has a decent number of talented players, hasn’t shown anything at all. So, the talent there means nothing.

I really don’t know and I get the same impression as the OP.

think you are bad. When you win you think you are great.

I don’t want to hear that you can’t win with Daniel Jones. The QB play early yesterday was appalling. They need to stop coaching like it’s 1994 and let the kid win games.

In comment 15377213 BigBlueJ said:

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think you are bad. When you win you think you are great.

And given we lost a game that we actually won it makes it worse. Are we hearing all this negativity if we’re 1-1.

Right now they are the NFL punching bag. Not a defensive team, not an offensive team. Soft on defense, plain vanilla on offense. Until we get aggressive and start playing hard and playing to win everybody is looking forward to beating us.

In comment 15377167 moespree said:

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The Giants are a boring team. Not just in the sense of entertainment value, but in terms of playstyle and philosophy. Some of the problems discussed on this board on a daily basis come through in the play. That's not to say we're all experts, but some of it is just so obvious it can't be ignored. Been that way for a while too. It's not overnight.

The Giants were a boring team in the 80s too. They ran on every first down and to control the clock while their D stopped people. They also won a lot which to me is more interesting than watching rpo bullshit and ineligible receiver down field on every down that never gets called.

and the whole time was thinking our team front to back doesn't match up even close to either of these teams. And neither the Chargers or Cowboys are really all that great.

I think we could beat the Jets. Maybe Atalanta. But we sure look like we’re far away from being a legit contender.

I saw a ton of teams the Giants can beat. Aside from the Chiefs/Ravens game, no one stood out as any kind of playing zenith.

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and the whole time was thinking our team front to back doesn't match up even close to either of these teams. And neither the Chargers or Cowboys are really all that great.

I agree completely. There is a reason those teams are playing at 1pm and the others in later times. We could beat the jets who are cluster -you-know-wat. I dread the complete but kicking dallas is going to give the giants. You guys have to get real about the jints. This is a bad football team. And no just firing garret or stealing the baltimore ravens playbook or running plays like them is going to change that.

is figure out whether Jones is going to make it to the Dalton/Goff/Cousins level or the Allen/Jackson/Wilson level. If the former (and he is probably not there yet), I’d rather not keep him.

and the coaching is an issue because they're trying to protect the players from beating themselves, and it's not working.

Talent issues especially at key positions they've tried to fill and so far many holes still remain despite the investment.

Agree the defense in particular is playing slower than a year ago.

The team began to cut it loose in the second half versus WFT, and the results were better, but the mistakes also increased. Giants are playing undisciplined football so far.

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is figure out whether Jones is going to make it to the Dalton/Goff/Cousins level or the Allen/Jackson/Wilson level. If the former (and he is probably not there yet), I’d rather not keep him.

The Goff comparison is somewhat interesting because to my eyes Goff is a system QB. With the right offense and a coach to hold his hand he did pretty well.

Jones never looked better than 2019 with Shurmur coaching him. We figured that was the floor level of his ability. Put him in an offense that helps him less, and he looks pedestrian.

I usually watch Redzone, and I jump to it during commercials. Problem with comparing that would be that it's basically a live highlight show. Last nights game looked like a 3 hour highlight reel as well.

with the Giants that its almost hard to recognize what an actual good team would look like.

People talk up our defense. Its not that good. Williams and Bradbury are good, not great, players. Nobody else is markedly above average as an NFL starter. Some are below average. That's not a defense that's going to carry a team. It will get lit up sometimes. They have sucked this year though.

Our offense probably doesn't have a single above average starter. Golladay and Sheppard are good players but probably middle of the pack as #1 and #2 WRs. Probably every other player on O is below average as a starter.

On the margins maybe we could quibble on some of these points. But big picture, this team does not have a single great player. It has very few above average players. Thats a bad, bad team. Enthusiasm will not make it better.

Oh, Gano is good too.

you can talk about lack of talent and it may be true. But simply, they are a boring team who wans to play like it's the early 90's. Something I see other teams having is speed, look at the Ravens, they don't have the best PASSING QB in the world but the Ravens scheme their receivers open a lot. Other teams have new unique and innovated offensives yet we don't. We playa boring brand of football, only exciting play we do is a read option with Jones which works but you can't do it all the time. This team is stuck in the 80's and 90's and believe you can still win playing that brand of football and I hate it. This team needs more speed on both sides of the ball and more energetic athletic players. Other teams have them, we don't.

good to have you back.

Here are my takeaways after a day of watching non-Giants football...

- I would go back in time and swap Barkley/Hernandez for Nelson/Chubb in a heartbeat.

- M. Parsons rushing the passer off the edge looked pretty good yesterday.

- The Giants need to utilize Toney the same way the Cowboys used Ced Wilson yesterday.

- I can't name another player that had such a dramatic rise and fall as a QB than Carson Wentz.

- The good defenses around the league make explosive plays. Sacks and turnovers are what defensive coordinators scheme to create. When they are not scheming those types of plays, it seems they play a lot of keep "everything in front". I think Graham is on the right track - but those game changing plays need to hit at a higher rate than they are right now.

- Denver (and Teddy B) is good and I didn't see that coming. That week 1 loss doesn't seem as bad now as it did at the time.

- If Tony Pollard played for a different team, he would be a star.

- I think the Eagles defensive front vs the Giants OL is a big time mis-match that worries me about their season series.

- IF things don't shake out great for Daniel Jones here, he should go to the Saints. I think he would thrive in that offense. There is a lot of inconsistent QB play in the NFL right now.

but his background/personality took him off their board, and after their top target (Smith) was gone the trade down was too much to bypass.

In comment 15377322 shadow_spinner0 said:

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you can talk about lack of talent and it may be true. But simply, they are a boring team who wans to play like it's the early 90's. Something I see other teams having is speed, look at the Ravens, they don't have the best PASSING QB in the world but the Ravens scheme their receivers open a lot. Other teams have new unique and innovated offensives yet we don't. We playa boring brand of football, only exciting play we do is a read option with Jones which works but you can't do it all the time. This team is stuck in the 80's and 90's and believe you can still win playing that brand of football and I hate it. This team needs more speed on both sides of the ball and more energetic athletic players. Other teams have them, we don't.

Then don't watch. Become a ravens fan. Watch them get spanked in the post season. That is what happened to mike Vick and pretty much every other mobile qb. let's watch college football except with nfl uniforms on. Yahay!


You have to realize what team the giants is. A team steeped in tradition where season tickets are handed down and hard to get. And what is baltimore ? An expansion team in a small market that has a QB that can't pass and runs gimmicky plays. Totally not enjoyablke to watch at all my opinion. Was rooting like hell for the Bills to win last year's playoffs and not just because they are a ny team.

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You have to realize what team the giants is. A team steeped in tradition where season tickets are handed down and hard to get.

What year do you think it is?

Or are we talking "mobile" quarterback?

In comment 15377385 rsjem1979 said:

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In comment 15377359 Debaser said: Quote: You have to realize what team the giants is. A team steeped in tradition where season tickets are handed down and hard to get. What year do you think it is?

I don't know what you are even talking about. They have daniel jones a guy who can run the rpo and then run it.

In comment 15377355 Dnew15 said:

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- IF things don't shake out great for Daniel Jones here, he should go to the Saints. I think he would thrive in that offense. There is a lot of inconsistent QB play in the NFL right now.

Sean Payton winning with Daniel Jones while we get back on the QB/HC Carousel would completely break me.

"Jones & Thomas; performance in the first two games was better than what you expected and they're making progress", I would have been cheered and thought Judge was leading the team to a successful season with a developing if still imperfect team.

That's happened and, instead, I feel like the Giants are almost falling into a crisis.

In comment 15377422 Prude said:

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In comment 15377355 Dnew15 said: Quote: - IF things don't shake out great for Daniel Jones here, he should go to the Saints. I think he would thrive in that offense. There is a lot of inconsistent QB play in the NFL right now. Sean Payton winning with Daniel Jones while we get back on the QB/HC Carousel would completely break me.

Hah, remember the Pirate Superbowl where both starting QBs were guys WTF had gotten rid of?