Love these. A lot of good analysis in here on the line. The short of it: Price was terrible, Thomas played well. Plenty of improvement still required. But, Bobby does a real nice job with these. Bobby Skinner Week 2 O Line Report - ( New Window )
Maybe it’s just Washington’s powerful front, but this has been the story on Price since he came into the league. I can’t believe the Giants are still so far out from having a competent line . At least Thomas is looking like a keeper at this point.
Wow, Gates was the leader..physically and I think psychologically and Price looks to be terrible.
Every team has injuries and I suppose it's no excuse, but this one hurts - particularly after watching Skinner's analysis...."slow ,weak, short arms, bad feet" we have to find someone better and to think they gave up Hill.
possibly playing Matt Skura. I don’t know much about him except I believe he’s bounced around a few teams. Either way, losing Gates was a huge blow to this line.
O-line configurations the past decade. We’ve put valuable resources into the line, yet year in and year out, they’re horrific. Where is the disconnect? One cannot say the Giants ignore the line, yet they always seem to be behind the curve here. They scrambled to get Price, Skura and Bredeson on a whim, immediately before the season began, and seemingly all three of these guys will be integral to this offense. We have to count on guys who joined the team in September. I don’t get it.
But by the eye test, I thought the line did well considering the Center was in his first game with the team and the starting guard who was most likely calling or helping with protection went out early in the game. What was gauling to me was seeing BOTH Hernandez an Solder looking for direction often. The guys with the most time on the team and in the league just irked me slightly. But really Jones had time and space and for a change I was happy with the offense (except the lack of push on the last drive). I hope they can continue to improve, I'm looking forward to the transition full time to Peart and hoping they can get someone better than Hernandez in there.
and the points made (and my perspective on few items).
1) Not mentioned at all BUT, in one of the Thomas breakdowns it shows the stunt missed by Gates and Thomas. Go back and look at it again- Barkley running out after the fake actually takes Gates out of the play. One thing I can't stand with Barkley, since he was drafted, is his crazy lack of instincts when it comes to blocking or blocking schemes. I know he is trying to get out in the flat but, knowing the congestion there at least hit the WFT defender and not take your Guard out of the play. That may be nitpicking BUT, Barkley sucks in pass pro.
2) WHY THE FUCK do we consistently ask the Front side TE to cross the line and pick up the backside rusher? It rarely works (and is compounded with Barkleys dancing feet and less than decisive decision making). I hate these plays.
2a) Sticking with that, why do we run late motion from the front side (meaning the direction the play is headed) back to the other side- thus drawing that defender into the play. Bobby points this out video and I have noticed this many times.. There is ZERO reason to do it and nothing gained by doing it.
3) Barkley is holding us back a bit. He dances way to way. He crumples at contact and he is very hesitant heading out into patterns.. Yes, the play that SY said he fell down he was actually tripped but, overall he isn't the physical guy needed with a line that is a bit suspect. Late in the game, assuming he was hurt, I would have rather seen Penny in the backfield to power forward.
4) Price was pretty bad. None of it can be blamed on not knowing the scheme etc., it was purely physical. Hopefully he can get better with reps but, we do face the WFT again, along with TB, Miami, Philly, NO all of whom have solid Dlines.
5) If DJ Fluker has recovered from his minor knee injury we may want to look at bringing him back in. We need to have a Guard ready to go as Price's limitations at Center would be way bigger at Guard. I actually think Skura will end up starting at Center soon..
6) if Shane Lemieux can return and finish the season out that will be a huge lift to our team.
Looking back at this video, how can anybody be down on JOnes. He played even better when you see all the traffic he faced and how many times guys ended up in his legs and in his face.
...he sucked in Cinci, he had almost no time to practice with the team, Bredeson played ok at LG against Denver, and Gates at OC was our best OL.
It's not hindsight to say that this was a bad decision. On the thread that announced Price at OC lots of posters thought this would make two positions worse.
Like many here, I’m scratching my head. All this talk of moving Gates to guard only makes sense if you can replace him with a good center….not a bad one.
I’m hoping Wash defensive tackles are unusually elite and we won’t see this too often.
and the points made (and my perspective on few items).
2) WHY THE FUCK do we consistently ask the Front side TE to cross the line and pick up the backside rusher? It rarely works (and is compounded with Barkleys dancing feet and less than decisive decision making). I hate these plays.
Play gets caught from behind every single time. This happens like once a game lol
Price doesn't show well here obviously. So may very well
have been to early or the wrong week to necessitate this changeup at Center versus just using Bredeson at Guard to start the game. Like anything, you got to give Price a few weeks at Center to see how he holds up/progresses. Not a lot of options at this point anyway.
Are Giants expected to make another roster move with OL or just go with 8 in the unit?
and he is my favorite player on the team. He runs too hesitantly now, and I feel we may have broken him. Why does this happen with the Giants? Other teams are allowed to have superstars that perform week in and week out to the enjoyment of their fanbase. Our stars suffer career changing injuries, or become disgruntled at the team and want out. I don’t know. We’ve been an incredibly unlucky squad since 2012. Oh well.
...he sucked in Cinci, he had almost no time to practice with the team, Bredeson played ok at LG against Denver, and Gates at OC was our best OL.
It's not hindsight to say that this was a bad decision. On the thread that announced Price at OC lots of posters thought this would make two positions worse.
Yes, I was one of those questioning the decision on the interior OL prior to the game. It actually looks even worse now. Bredeson by my impression played credibly. He is big and has a low base. Something to work with there. And Price is undersized and looked even to a casual viewer like he was struggling. Then you add Skinner's criticism of Price to this.
Only the Giants could turn a ton of depth and quality into a sore spot. I don't wanna here a fucking thing about Hill needing a chance to start. Are the Giants in the fucking charity business now? WTF is going on....
Hill was the 3rd best DL we had. And we traded him for Derick Fucking Engler.
when it's the DL starters that are taking up millions of dollars and still giving the QB 5 seconds in the pocket to cut up the secondary like he's slicing a deli provolone.
that Bobby pointed out was Price taking a step back when run blocking.
Jesus christ, it is one of the first things taught and initial footwork is fucking critical. How is this guy doing that after 4 years in college and 4 years as a pro?
When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
Sy thought Price was a dud as well. Like you said though, another opinion. OL is always a sum of it's parts and improvement from the other positions, especially Thomas, masked Price's flaws which allowed them to be successful
both individually and as a group. They are links in a chain. That Jones didn't have a guy on his back doesn't necessarily mean the line play was good. It just means the play wasn't bad enough for a catastrophe.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
RE: but, that's the importance of looking at OL play
both individually and as a group. They are links in a chain. That Jones didn't have a guy on his back doesn't necessarily mean the line play was good. It just means the play wasn't bad enough for a catastrophe.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
Is this keeping in mind the Slayton drop and the Board holding penalty?
When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
If you watch that and conclude anything thing other than Price was awful, I don't know what to say. He stunk. Horrible technique. Lunging. Letting DL get their hands on him early. Getting ragdolled. It was terrible.
both individually and as a group. They are links in a chain. That Jones didn't have a guy on his back doesn't necessarily mean the line play was good. It just means the play wasn't bad enough for a catastrophe.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
Is this keeping in mind the Slayton drop and the Board holding penalty?
Absolutely, missed/bad calls are gonna happen. i don't judge an offense based on that. Drops on high-risk throws happen. They are called low-percentage plays for a reason. That's why they should be taking more deep shots. You won't hit them all, but you will hit some. Touchdowns allow you to survive bad refs and drops. Playing conservatively doesn't.
RE: but, that's the importance of looking at OL play
both individually and as a group. They are links in a chain. That Jones didn't have a guy on his back doesn't necessarily mean the line play was good. It just means the play wasn't bad enough for a catastrophe.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
Absolutely right TTH. Like I said, I've given up on minutia and actually I don't care if the line play is great or not. I want a victory. I want a winning record. However they get there it doesn't matter to me at this point. Just get there. I know that that method isn't a sustainable way to win, but the only thing the giants seem capable of sustaining is finding ways to lose. I'll go for the opposite.
That's fair. I'm at the end of my patience with this team too
When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
DJ had time and space? Really? I need to start watching the games with you.
When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
DJ had time and space? Really? I need to start watching the games with you.
I guess its relative to games past or again the eye test. But I can also see by your brilliant post that you would be looking for someone, anyone, to watch a game with.
When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Sy thought Price was a dud as well. Like you said though, another opinion. OL is always a sum of it's parts and improvement from the other positions, especially Thomas, masked Price's flaws which allowed them to be successful
Oh, Price's play was not pretty. And not sure if it was because it was his first time playing guard, but the plays where Gates was in he was getting pushed into the backfield pretty badly. Whatever it was, Thomas' play DJ's mobility or the play calling (at least on the first few drives) the offense was more productive than we've seen. Against what people in the media (again, opinions) call a vaunted DL and a good defense. Either way they put 29 pts up and I'm happy with that. Not happy with Defense, penalties and some of the coaching. Each week I have to look for progress. Each week I like college football more......
Jones had solid time throughout the whole game. And honestly, the sacks weren't a 'right away sack' kind of thing, he was able to hold on a bit for someone to get open but they never did, thus the sack. The pass blocking was one of the better start to finish jobs in recent memory. Especially on play action.
i don't put that final possession on the OL at all. Not even the slighest. It's on the coaches. Call a pass play. Call a rollout or RPO. We called two runs up the middle. The defense isn't stupid, they expected it and defended it well.
and Sy said similar about Price but watching the Skinner film, there was some plays where he blamed Price but it looked more like communication then me. (ex. one of the guards extends out to help a tackle when they didn't need it instead of stayig put where they could assist Price). This could be a lack of almost zero snaps with Price/Bredeson/Hernandez.
I also think that looking slow may be a result of processing issues. Price is been with the team less than 3 weeks and I think really only 2 weeks due to whatever reason (I know Bredeson got to NJ before Price did). The Giants inserted Price in but that was with the hope that Gates would be able to assist him.
I am optimistic that the line will get better with the exception of Solder. It isn't reasonable to expect that he can last a full season. We better hope that the light goes on with Peart.
Every team has injuries and I suppose it's no excuse, but this one hurts - particularly after watching Skinner's analysis...."slow ,weak, short arms, bad feet" we have to find someone better and to think they gave up Hill.
I'm having a hard time figuring that out to, because Bredeson seems to hold his own, so why mess with possibly your best offensive lineman?
1) Not mentioned at all BUT, in one of the Thomas breakdowns it shows the stunt missed by Gates and Thomas. Go back and look at it again- Barkley running out after the fake actually takes Gates out of the play. One thing I can't stand with Barkley, since he was drafted, is his crazy lack of instincts when it comes to blocking or blocking schemes. I know he is trying to get out in the flat but, knowing the congestion there at least hit the WFT defender and not take your Guard out of the play. That may be nitpicking BUT, Barkley sucks in pass pro.
2) WHY THE FUCK do we consistently ask the Front side TE to cross the line and pick up the backside rusher? It rarely works (and is compounded with Barkleys dancing feet and less than decisive decision making). I hate these plays.
2a) Sticking with that, why do we run late motion from the front side (meaning the direction the play is headed) back to the other side- thus drawing that defender into the play. Bobby points this out video and I have noticed this many times.. There is ZERO reason to do it and nothing gained by doing it.
3) Barkley is holding us back a bit. He dances way to way. He crumples at contact and he is very hesitant heading out into patterns.. Yes, the play that SY said he fell down he was actually tripped but, overall he isn't the physical guy needed with a line that is a bit suspect. Late in the game, assuming he was hurt, I would have rather seen Penny in the backfield to power forward.
4) Price was pretty bad. None of it can be blamed on not knowing the scheme etc., it was purely physical. Hopefully he can get better with reps but, we do face the WFT again, along with TB, Miami, Philly, NO all of whom have solid Dlines.
5) If DJ Fluker has recovered from his minor knee injury we may want to look at bringing him back in. We need to have a Guard ready to go as Price's limitations at Center would be way bigger at Guard. I actually think Skura will end up starting at Center soon..
6) if Shane Lemieux can return and finish the season out that will be a huge lift to our team.
Looking back at this video, how can anybody be down on JOnes. He played even better when you see all the traffic he faced and how many times guys ended up in his legs and in his face.
It's not hindsight to say that this was a bad decision. On the thread that announced Price at OC lots of posters thought this would make two positions worse.
I’m hoping Wash defensive tackles are unusually elite and we won’t see this too often.
2) WHY THE FUCK do we consistently ask the Front side TE to cross the line and pick up the backside rusher? It rarely works (and is compounded with Barkleys dancing feet and less than decisive decision making). I hate these plays.
Play gets caught from behind every single time. This happens like once a game lol
Are Giants expected to make another roster move with OL or just go with 8 in the unit?
It's not hindsight to say that this was a bad decision. On the thread that announced Price at OC lots of posters thought this would make two positions worse.
Yes, I was one of those questioning the decision on the interior OL prior to the game. It actually looks even worse now. Bredeson by my impression played credibly. He is big and has a low base. Something to work with there. And Price is undersized and looked even to a casual viewer like he was struggling. Then you add Skinner's criticism of Price to this.
The decision defies logic and didn't work.
Would he have gotten hurt at center? Losing him truly sucks
Only the Giants could turn a ton of depth and quality into a sore spot. I don't wanna here a fucking thing about Hill needing a chance to start. Are the Giants in the fucking charity business now? WTF is going on....
Hill was the 3rd best DL we had. And we traded him for Derick Fucking Engler.
Jesus christ, it is one of the first things taught and initial footwork is fucking critical. How is this guy doing that after 4 years in college and 4 years as a pro?
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
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When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
Sy thought Price was a dud as well. Like you said though, another opinion. OL is always a sum of it's parts and improvement from the other positions, especially Thomas, masked Price's flaws which allowed them to be successful
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
Is this keeping in mind the Slayton drop and the Board holding penalty?
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When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
If you watch that and conclude anything thing other than Price was awful, I don't know what to say. He stunk. Horrible technique. Lunging. Letting DL get their hands on him early. Getting ragdolled. It was terrible.
Doing his job, but Solder looking absolutely terrible again (even when Will is trying to help him).
It's like he knows what to do, but his reaction time is totally shot; that's what happens when you get old, can't fix that. Peart needs to play.
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both individually and as a group. They are links in a chain. That Jones didn't have a guy on his back doesn't necessarily mean the line play was good. It just means the play wasn't bad enough for a catastrophe.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
Is this keeping in mind the Slayton drop and the Board holding penalty?
Absolutely, missed/bad calls are gonna happen. i don't judge an offense based on that. Drops on high-risk throws happen. They are called low-percentage plays for a reason. That's why they should be taking more deep shots. You won't hit them all, but you will hit some. Touchdowns allow you to survive bad refs and drops. Playing conservatively doesn't.
If one wants to look at the game that way, that's a choice.
The Giants scored 29 points. From the 10,000 mile view, a good offensive day. 17 points were from the kicker. They were 4 of 12 on third down, and with the game on the line they couldn't get a first down to ice it.
So, that changes, or should change (in my opinion) the overall view of the game the offense played. It's better than they have been over their last 10 games or so, but still not what it takes to sniff the playoffs.
Absolutely right TTH. Like I said, I've given up on minutia and actually I don't care if the line play is great or not. I want a victory. I want a winning record. However they get there it doesn't matter to me at this point. Just get there. I know that that method isn't a sustainable way to win, but the only thing the giants seem capable of sustaining is finding ways to lose. I'll go for the opposite.
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When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
DJ had time and space? Really? I need to start watching the games with you.
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When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Hey Keaton. I've watched Bobby and Justins stuff and its interesting, but like everyone else, they are opinions. Not sure what Bobbys background is, but currently he reviews the Giants on Youtube. Some stuff he seems correct and others you can see he's biased or making shit up. I am done over analyzing the minutia of technique. I'm a Gates fan for his willingness to play anwyware, his team first attitude and his fiestiness. But when he was the center calling out responsibilities, it wasn't like our line was great and Skinner is making it sound like Price's play blew this game for us. The very first play he reviews he blames Price for the pressure but its Gates guy who gets the sack. Big picture for me is DJ had time and space and was not under a constant barrage. they need to improve run blocking. No Matter WHO is playing.
DJ had time and space? Really? I need to start watching the games with you.
I guess its relative to games past or again the eye test. But I can also see by your brilliant post that you would be looking for someone, anyone, to watch a game with.
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When you have the time, watch Skinner’s report. He used the All-22 to observe reps. I learn a lot from these. Highly recommend it!
Sy thought Price was a dud as well. Like you said though, another opinion. OL is always a sum of it's parts and improvement from the other positions, especially Thomas, masked Price's flaws which allowed them to be successful
Oh, Price's play was not pretty. And not sure if it was because it was his first time playing guard, but the plays where Gates was in he was getting pushed into the backfield pretty badly. Whatever it was, Thomas' play DJ's mobility or the play calling (at least on the first few drives) the offense was more productive than we've seen. Against what people in the media (again, opinions) call a vaunted DL and a good defense. Either way they put 29 pts up and I'm happy with that. Not happy with Defense, penalties and some of the coaching. Each week I have to look for progress. Each week I like college football more......
Doing his job, but Solder looking absolutely terrible again (even when Will is trying to help him).
It's like he knows what to do, but his reaction time is totally shot; that's what happens when you get old, can't fix that. Peart needs to play.
This is a great observation and something that was becoming evident as far back as 2018. Solder knows what to do, he just can’t do it.
Father Time has gobbled him up, and there’s no returning.
At least play the guy who *might* get better.
Call a more aggressive fucking play.
I also think that looking slow may be a result of processing issues. Price is been with the team less than 3 weeks and I think really only 2 weeks due to whatever reason (I know Bredeson got to NJ before Price did). The Giants inserted Price in but that was with the hope that Gates would be able to assist him.
I am optimistic that the line will get better with the exception of Solder. It isn't reasonable to expect that he can last a full season. We better hope that the light goes on with Peart.