Jones 2.5 touches to 1 rushing attempts.
Through the first two games, we have averaged 58.5 plays, so for the sake of arguments, lets round it up to 60. That means Jones should have roughly 42 plays in his hand whether its pass or run. And 18 rushes attempts between Barkley/Penny/Booker/WR reverse. The idea is to get the play makers the ball and right now Jones is coming off his best game in awhile, so his confidence should be going strong into a bad Atlanta team.
Golladay, SS, Slayton, Toney, and Rudolph can all contribute but insisting on running the ball from under center, especially on first down should be scrapped. Run it here and there to keep them honest and see if Barkley can rip a long run off. But if we can show we can throw the ball and DJ can keep the ends honest with some read options - I feel the offense can break through for a 30+ game.
But please, please, please stop handing the ball off to Barkley and receivers sweeps on first down. Open the offense more. Successful or not - and we can argue until the cows come home - we have to see if Jones can lead the offense just not contribute.
Having watched a lot of games this weekend, the QB play around the league is not great outside of about the top 10 QBs. it is time to see what we have.
It would be to copy how Sean Payton gets Alvin Kamara the ball in space.
It would be to copy how Sean Payton gets Alvin Kamara the ball in space.
Same with McCaffrey. Always has room to run.
Barkley should be a better receiving back than he has shown. He doesn't run great routes and does drop more than he should.
I am not meaning to bash him, he seems like a nice guy, good teammate but, he has not lived up to the hype and that knee injury may be more cumbersome mentally than physically.
It would be to copy how Sean Payton gets Alvin Kamara the ball in space.
or mccaffery
Barkley should be a better receiving back than he has shown. He doesn't run great routes and does drop more than he should.
I am not meaning to bash him, he seems like a nice guy, good teammate but, he has not lived up to the hype and that knee injury may be more cumbersome mentally than physically.
If thats the case, Barkely wont be much of a factor for us cause he is not good being a workhorse and doesnt run through the tackles well.
Barkley should be a better receiving back than he has shown. He doesn't run great routes and does drop more than he should.
I am not meaning to bash him, he seems like a nice guy, good teammate but, he has not lived up to the hype and that knee injury may be more cumbersome mentally than physically.
We aren't doing Saquon any favors, instead we decide to give him the ball when teams are totally keyed in on him. It's why the read option was so open. So how about we take what defenses give us, until they adjust. This team isn't talent bereft anymore. Instead we are hellbent on forcing our will on opponents. The offensive line just isn't close to good enough to do whatever we want on offense. Saw the same crap from the Falcons against the Bucs this week, not saying they would have won, but they could have had a chance with better coaching.
Barkley should be a better receiving back than he has shown. He doesn't run great routes and does drop more than he should.
I am not meaning to bash him, he seems like a nice guy, good teammate but, he has not lived up to the hype and that knee injury may be more cumbersome mentally than physically.
Well we need to see that as well. Cant commit long term to this guy if thats the case. Need to get back to a stable of backs.
Does Garrett have that in him? I doubt it, but I hope so. Will Judge insist on it? I'm more confident on this front.
I personally dont think designed runs for the QB is the way to go here.
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I suspect there's about as much chance of this as there is hitting the lottery. If the Giants had any intention of using Saquon differently then they have, wouldn't they have done so by now?
Maybe, maybe not. Any good coach adapts according to how players are performing. Plus, the Giants seem to want to be unpredictable on offense the way the Patriots are unpredictable, with wide variation in their game plan week to week.
Does Garrett have that in him? I doubt it, but I hope so. Will Judge insist on it? I'm more confident on this front.
We'll see. How many times have we heard, "Establish the run, and stop the run?" And uniformly as a foundation belief. The entire Giants organization seems wedded to this principle. Unfortunately, the RB they're convinced will accomplish this, doesn't.
What I have issue is establishing the run on offense when we don't have the OL or the back to do that. Saquons still a freak and is best utilized in a spread offense. So lets run that. Judge talks about playing to players strengths, but we've seen very little of that offensively so far. At least Garrett was starting to get it with Jones last week.
The best organizations would cut their own grandmothers if it meant winning a game. The Giants fall in love with their own players. If they give Barkley another contract it will set them back another 5 years.
And they need to get Barkley in space, whether that means screens or in the slot or split wide, they must get Barkley doing what he does best, which is not three yards and a cloud of dust, because on those runs he tends to go 18 inches and fall down.
Barkley should be a better receiving back than he has shown. He doesn't run great routes and does drop more than he should.
I am not meaning to bash him, he seems like a nice guy, good teammate but, he has not lived up to the hype and that knee injury may be more cumbersome mentally than physically.
Totally agree. He can succeed in a pass first offense but will never succeed in a run first offense. And his receiving skills have been greatly exaggerated .
I personally dont think designed runs for the QB is the way to go here.
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I agree, when I said more Jones, I meant more read option to make the defense play disciplined.
And they need to get Barkley in space, whether that means screens or in the slot or split wide, they must get Barkley doing what he does best, which is not three yards and a cloud of dust, because on those runs he tends to go 18 inches and fall down.
Ah yes...Ron Dayne syndrome is a real thing.
He's a big boy that can move, but does get hurt...let's remember that.
The designed QB runs and better spreading of ball around via passing game probably caught WFT by surprise, and to some degree it was effective. But the Giants left plays out there as we know so execution still has to be better. 10 or so QBs also passed for over 300 yards this week so plenty of room left to grow here.
Giants should also be ready with some new wrinkles as Falcons will be looking for Jones to run more often now. There should be plenty of ways to take advantage of that with getting the Defense to commit/overflow. Nothing wrong with getting out bounds too as he doesn't need to be taking shots every week with an injury around the corner. And some may do it intentionally.
As for Barkley, they should trade him the moment an opportunity arises. I'm not even sure he's the best back on the roster.
I personally dont think designed runs for the QB is the way to go here.
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I agree, and they have to be careful how much they use it. But they do have to use it because it's a very effective part of their offense.
As for Barkley, they should trade him the moment an opportunity arises. I'm not even sure he's the best back on the roster.
Trade him to SF, they’ve been hammered at RB with injuries.
As for Barkley, they should trade him the moment an opportunity arises. I'm not even sure he's the best back on the roster.
The market can't be good for SB. The league sees the same thing everyone else does and Bill O'Brien is no longer making decisions on NFL rosters.
I never thought there would be a day where I was more bullish moving forward on Jones than SB...and yet here we are.
That is how most of the good teams in the league approach games. They score a lot and their QBs lead the way. If we want to be good - actually good, not just in the mix in a bad division- we need to do this. We need to test Jones and all the other parts on O to see if we can do it and identify they pieces that are falling short.
I actually was hoping he would start the season on IR for the first three weeks or so. Give him more time to heal and strengthen up.
I don't think Saquon quite has his legs back yet. He has a number of times tried to cut and fallen instead. I would bet that his balance will improve with time. I also think that his 40 yard run would have been a touchdown if he was 100 %.
I agree Saquon is also a liability in pass protection. He should get better, but in the meantime, use him more as a safety valve. He will draw coverage, but also allow Jones a place to put the ball that would be out of danger when the rush is too much.
As for Barkley, they should trade him the moment an opportunity arises. I'm not even sure he's the best back on the roster.
I don't think anyone in the league is that stupid.
Barkley should be moved around the offense as the gadget player that he is.
But there are plenty of teams for whom I'd consider buying low on him. Ravens, Rams, Cardinals come to mind. Probably a few others. He'd need to get his burst back of course but he should get most of it sometime this year. He can still be a big weapon- he's just not a centerpiece.
If a RB can't run inside, is he worth playing? This isn't midget football.
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Every snap should be out of the shotgun, and most should be RPOs or at least have play action. Mechanically the play action out of the shotgun really seems to work for Jones. The movement - catch snap, put ball in RB belly and pull it out and up - is something he executes very well and it puts him in a position to throw quickly.
As for Barkley, they should trade him the moment an opportunity arises. I'm not even sure he's the best back on the roster.
The market can't be good for SB. The league sees the same thing everyone else does and Bill O'Brien is no longer making decisions on NFL rosters.
I never thought there would be a day where I was more bullish moving forward on Jones than SB...and yet here we are.
Give it a week...nobody was bullish on either after the Denver game.
I find it interesting that a lot of Giants fans blame DJs struggles on the OLine, but that same OLine isn't used to defend SB coming off a knee injury and year off. Evaluating Saquon shouldn't even be considered until the 2nd half the season, at the earliest.
If a RB can't run inside, is he worth playing? This isn't midget football.
That's a good point. A RB should be able to run inside. As Sy'56 reported, in the Wash game he often went straight into the heart of the defense at their best defenders. Why there?
It is also important to play to a player's strength. We saw how devastating he can be in space in his rookie season. It's imperative to get him open.
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Every snap should be out of the shotgun, and most should be RPOs or at least have play action. Mechanically the play action out of the shotgun really seems to work for Jones. The movement - catch snap, put ball in RB belly and pull it out and up - is something he executes very well and it puts him in a position to throw quickly.
As for Barkley, they should trade him the moment an opportunity arises. I'm not even sure he's the best back on the roster.
The market can't be good for SB. The league sees the same thing everyone else does and Bill O'Brien is no longer making decisions on NFL rosters.
I never thought there would be a day where I was more bullish moving forward on Jones than SB...and yet here we are.
Give it a week...nobody was bullish on either after the Denver game.
I find it interesting that a lot of Giants fans blame DJs struggles on the OLine, but that same OLine isn't used to defend SB coming off a knee injury and year off. Evaluating Saquon shouldn't even be considered until the 2nd half the season, at the earliest.
The issues he's having running inside the tackles aren't new.
Why are we pinning it on the knee injury? This has been who he is.
That said - I don't see him as a good outside runner either. He's no Eric Dickerson. IMO, Barkley has the cardinal sin for any NFL player, he wants absolutely nothing to do with the physical side of the game. And it pervades everything he does. He's little more than a beach body, and his career may be on TV or fitness.
One of my all-time favorite players is Ahmad Bradshaw, who would run full speed into a brick wall whenever asked. You have to be crazy tough to play in the NFL, it's the one thing above all else.
Now, here's where I undoubtedly show my shallow grasp of offensive game plans, but I kind of would like to see them use Barkley and Penny in a backfield together, a Mr Inside/Mr Outside kind of dynamic. You know at this point that Barkley will rarely be successful running between the tackles, so why keep calling on him to do it?
Now, here's where I undoubtedly show my shallow grasp of offensive game plans, but I kind of would like to see them use Barkley and Penny in a backfield together, a Mr Inside/Mr Outside kind of dynamic. You know at this point that Barkley will rarely be successful running between the tackles, so why keep calling on him to do it?