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NFT: DMM - Mets Minor Recap??

bhill410 : 9/20/2021 11:47 am
I know you tapped out of daily threads back in May/June and I can’t blame you. But I was hoping you may be doing some type of aggregate review of the noteworthy performances this season since most of the affiliates are wrapping this week and the major league squad isn’t worth discussing.

Fingers crossed!
+1  
Metnut : 9/20/2021 11:54 am : link
Would love a year in review type of thing if you can manage the time/interest in the next month to put one together.

On another note, i wouldn’t say this is any sort of legit asshat info but I’ve heard through someone connected with Cohen’s hedge fund that he’s hearing that Beane is the favorite.
Met mess  
Hilary : 9/20/2021 12:48 pm : link
What a terrible year.
Cano back with team next year
Alderson, Porter, Scott hirings bad
Lindor contract bad
McCann bad
Trevor May bad
PCA for Baez rental bad
deGrom future uncertain
Just a mess.
Hope there is a new GM before playoffs start
not much positive  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2021 1:09 pm : link
other than a couple guys in the minors....

here is one:

Jacob Resnick
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Francisco Álvarez’s 2021 season is complete.

He hit 24 home runs, posted a .941 OPS, and hit 11 balls over 108 mph.

He doesn’t turn 20 until November. #Mets
RE: Met mess  
Metnut : 9/20/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15377607 Hilary said:
Quote:
What a terrible year.
Cano back with team next year
Alderson, Porter, Scott hirings bad
Lindor contract bad
McCann bad
Trevor May bad
PCA for Baez rental bad
deGrom future uncertain
Just a mess.
Hope there is a new GM before playoffs start


Ughhhh… I had completely forgotten about Cano
Let’s not pepper the thread with suicide inducing thoughts  
bhill410 : 9/20/2021 1:39 pm : link
Of Cano, but rather have DMM regale us with the unseen achievements of the minors. Vientos, Bart, Alvarez and arguably Mauricio all had big years. Curious if we developed any pitching depth whatsoever.

Also regarding the 2021 Mets you left off the Rocker debacle.
Does anyone know the status of the DH in NL next year?  
BocaGene : 9/20/2021 2:59 pm : link
I've read conflicting info on this.
and Kelenic looks like  
capone : 9/20/2021 3:21 pm : link
he has figured it out - he has been a beast in september
not DMM but here's a short version  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2021 3:41 pm : link
Alvarez looks like a blue chip's blue chip. Could not have asked for a better season from an already highly rated prospect at the hardest position to find talent in baseball. Basically untouchable and probably their highest rated single position prospect since Wright/Reyes. Does seem to have a little bit of a superstar persona already which may be something to keep an eye on.

Baty and Mauricio had very strong seasons and are firmly on the blue chip/red chip border. Mauricio is probably dethroned as the top prospect but mostly because of Alvarez. Baty firmly put himself in the top 50. Of recent prospects Mauricio is probably most comparable to Rosario because he's toolsy but raw and Baty most similar to Conforto because he's just a pure hitter likely to end up in a corner.

Vientos had a monster season and capped it off with a good couple games in AAA. Second only to Alonso in the last 30+ years in terms of exciting power bats. If he can stick at 3b great but the bat could possibly play in LF or 1b or DH.

Ginn is their best healthy P prospect by default but he had a good year. Don't think his upside is much higher than Peterson though.

Carlos Cortes is a sleeper to keep an eye on who cooled off after a really hot start in AA but still had a decent year. He could be a poor mans Daniel Murphy (more power but less contact).

Khalil Lee had a good year in AAA and he's athletic but he looked raw when he got his time in the big leagues. Not sure he's more than a 4th OF type.

Guys to watch next year are Alex Ramirez and Matt Allan. Ramirez is the latest in their big $ IFA's following in the footsteps of Rosario/Gimenez/Mauricio/Alvarez. Allan was easily the best P in the system pre-TJS so hopefully he comes back strong (and unrushed).

There aren't many teams in baseball who can match their top 5 or 6 but after all the trades the last 3 years there aren't many teams with a thinner overall group of rated prospects.

Next year's draft could be a bonanza though. Not only will they likely have 2 top 15 picks with tons of money to play with but they could also get a comp pick if Conforto or Thor walks. I don't recall if Stroman is also QO eligible too.
Eric  
KDavies : 9/20/2021 4:02 pm : link
good summary. Can you expand on the comment a bit re Alvarez' superstar persona.

Stroman was playing on a qualifying offer this year. Pretty positive you can't do them two years in a row, so he is not eligible.
Dominic Hamel  
KDavies : 9/20/2021 4:07 pm : link
the Mets 3rd rounder this past draft has pitched 3 perfect innings in two games and has struck out 7. 22 year old in rookie ball, but still nice to see.

Vientos has just been unreal. 23 HRs in 75 games. Those top 4 hitters are pretty damn good prospects.
Thanks Eric!  
Metnut : 9/20/2021 4:11 pm : link
Nice writeup.
Not just two year's  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2021 4:13 pm : link
in a row, but players cannot receive a QO twice in their career at all.

A player can only receive a QO one time, after that they are forever ineligible.

Kelenic  
Csonka : 9/20/2021 4:29 pm : link
Kelenic may end up a stud but he's been below the Mendoza line all year.

Heck, he was below Mendoza's sister's line.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2021 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15377885 KDavies said:
Quote:
good summary. Can you expand on the comment a bit re Alvarez' superstar persona.

Stroman was playing on a qualifying offer this year. Pretty positive you can't do them two years in a row, so he is not eligible.


At best it's a nitpick but see the article below as 1 example, his quotes were great where he acknowledged that he may have taken it a little far but I recall seeing a few other chirpy things like that in-game find there way into video this summer. Also some were speculating that he was suspended this week after he took exception to getting hit with a pitch in a game where he hit his 24th homer (so he thought it was intentional).

Like I said most of it is nitpicky but bad habits can snowball (and we've seen more than our share of that this year at the MLB level).

There's always a fine line between wanting your superstar talents to have a certain amount of cockiness but also not do so at the expense of the team or in a way that rubs others on the team the wrong way.

Hopefully it's solvable by David Wright throwing his lunch in the trash in PSL in future spring trainings.
Skilled Mets prospect Francisco Alvarez not pleased with viral bat-flip video - ( New Window )
RE: not DMM but here's a short version  
NYGgolfer : 9/20/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15377831 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Alvarez looks like a blue chip's blue chip. Could not have asked for a better season from an already highly rated prospect at the hardest position to find talent in baseball. Basically untouchable and probably their highest rated single position prospect since Wright/Reyes. Does seem to have a little bit of a superstar persona already which may be something to keep an eye on.

Baty and Mauricio had very strong seasons and are firmly on the blue chip/red chip border. Mauricio is probably dethroned as the top prospect but mostly because of Alvarez. Baty firmly put himself in the top 50. Of recent prospects Mauricio is probably most comparable to Rosario because he's toolsy but raw and Baty most similar to Conforto because he's just a pure hitter likely to end up in a corner.

Vientos had a monster season and capped it off with a good couple games in AAA. Second only to Alonso in the last 30+ years in terms of exciting power bats. If he can stick at 3b great but the bat could possibly play in LF or 1b or DH.

Ginn is their best healthy P prospect by default but he had a good year. Don't think his upside is much higher than Peterson though.

Carlos Cortes is a sleeper to keep an eye on who cooled off after a really hot start in AA but still had a decent year. He could be a poor mans Daniel Murphy (more power but less contact).

Khalil Lee had a good year in AAA and he's athletic but he looked raw when he got his time in the big leagues. Not sure he's more than a 4th OF type.

Guys to watch next year are Alex Ramirez and Matt Allan. Ramirez is the latest in their big $ IFA's following in the footsteps of Rosario/Gimenez/Mauricio/Alvarez. Allan was easily the best P in the system pre-TJS so hopefully he comes back strong (and unrushed).

There aren't many teams in baseball who can match their top 5 or 6 but after all the trades the last 3 years there aren't many teams with a thinner overall group of rated prospects.

Next year's draft could be a bonanza though. Not only will they likely have 2 top 15 picks with tons of money to play with but they could also get a comp pick if Conforto or Thor walks. I don't recall if Stroman is also QO eligible too.


Good stuff, thanks.

Allan is a very nice prospect but thought I had read he was expected to be out for most of 2022 as well because of the surgery.
with allan next year all you want to see is the stuff come back  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2021 7:12 pm : link
most likely they will keep him out through midseason and baby him which is the right call. results don't matter as much as seeing the raw materials so he can set up a productive 2023. Location usually takes time to come back any way but if he can start 2023 in A+ like normal that would be a great outcome.
Yes, was just suggesting 2022 is going to be  
NYGgolfer : 9/20/2021 8:04 pm : link
a big-time rehab/work in progress type of year. 2023 hopefully he gets back in the saddle with his development.
RE: Yes, was just suggesting 2022 is going to be  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2021 9:34 am : link
In comment 15378220 NYGgolfer said:
Quote:
a big-time rehab/work in progress type of year. 2023 hopefully he gets back in the saddle with his development.


yea unfortunately with the state of SP on the farm, pretty much all he needs to do to reclaim his spot as the top pitcher in the system is make it to the mound with a pulse.
We probably need to keep both Stroman and Thor  
Metnut : 9/21/2021 11:12 am : link
Or add someone if one of them walks. There’s just not enough depth in the system.
I've  
DanMetroMan : 9/21/2021 11:18 am : link
enjoyed my "break" from following this team day to day but I do plan on putting together some sort of end of the year minor league post "soonish". FWIW Stroman is not QO eligible aka if he walks there will be no compensation.

Matt Allan isn't expected to begin throwing in games until July/August 2022.
As  
DanMetroMan : 9/21/2021 11:19 am : link
for JT Ginn, he's viewed as a solid arm but as somebody noted above, he's likely a back end #4 type. He's been lumped in with Allan, but he's not considered a potential future top 100 prospect or "difference maker". A #4 has value too.
Mr.Cohen  
Hilary : 9/21/2021 2:36 pm : link
Messed up big time this year. Needs to go over the salary cap next year to make the Mets more competitive.
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