any silver lining to the season so far it's Jones' performance. If we can get to the 2022 draft without needing to rebuild with a new QB, it would be great.
but I believe he is absolutely good enough to compete with if he is given a game plan each week that plays to his strengths (running, move the pocket, deep throws) and has a competent O Line in front of him.
as others note, our biggest issues right now are not related to the QB position... which is less about DJ and more of an indictment of the rest of the team.
When one piece plays well, the others don't. There has never been a time where the offense played well and defense was lights out. I can't remember a recent time where the defense played badly and the offense carried the team to a win.
honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
game last MNF. And I caught a good portion of the Raiders/Steelers game yesterday.
Derek Carr has been absolutely tremendous. Yesterday, they were riddled with major injuries on the OL and at RB yesterday. Yet, Carr delivered a huge performance against a team who won in Buffalo the prior week. And that's after beating the Ravens last week, who beat the Chiefs this week.
If anyone has watched Carr as much as me, do you believe Jones has been > Carr so far??
game last MNF. And I caught a good portion of the Raiders/Steelers game yesterday.
Derek Carr has been absolutely tremendous. Yesterday, they were riddled with major injuries on the OL and at RB yesterday. Yet, Carr delivered a huge performance against a team who won in Buffalo the prior week. And that's after beating the Ravens last week, who beat the Chiefs this week.
If anyone has watched Carr as much as me, do you believe Jones has been > Carr so far??
Carr is criminally underrated though. I don't understand the hate he gets. Ravens secondary is in trouble though right now and the Steelers lost Watt in the first half. That's a big hit. DJ wasn't good in week 1, but he wasn't bad either. Garrett completely hamstrung the offense with his play selection. I'm hoping to see more of what we saw Thursday moving forward. If we don't put up more than 17 points against that Dallas defense and Lawrence is still out, I'll support cleaning house.
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
This is Stupid and in the same breath you call our defense trash, which both of these QB's played against. And the Defense DJ played against are both high quality.
Carr is criminally underrated though. I don't understand the hate he gets. Ravens secondary is in trouble though right now and the Steelers lost Watt in the first half. That's a big hit. DJ wasn't good in week 1, but he wasn't bad either. Garrett completely hamstrung the offense with his play selection. I'm hoping to see more of what we saw Thursday moving forward. If we don't put up more than 17 points against that Dallas defense and Lawrence is still out, I'll support cleaning house.
I think the Carr image has been tarnished by the media's narrative that Gruden - apparently - isn't enamored with him. And yet Gruden keeps praising Carr effusively.
I've written a few times that Jones has played pretty well so far. He's certainly not the reason we are 0-2 right now.
meaning people throwing out numbers won't matter when arguing PFF's ratings. You can have 5 turnovers yet PFF could determine they weren't your fault. Could be a ball bouncing off a receivers hands, a rusher going unblocked leading to a strip sack, an interception after a hail Mary attempt at the end of a half (what Brady did in game 1 which is why PFF didn't count that against him). PFF grades isn't QBR and Passer rating. Also PFF may be less impressed with a 35 yard completion when a receiver is wide open than a 15 yard completion when the QB is pressured and receiver is not that open. Stats may say "he completed these many passes", PFF says "some of these throws were turnover worthy and QB got lucky". It's up to you to make whatever opinion of PFF, I'm just explaining how they grade.
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
I'd rather be a fan of the team I root for on Moral Victory Interactive than a masochist on "I Pepper Spray My Eyeballs Every Time Jones Makes a Good Play Interactive"
People like to argue with it and you certainly can. They have a methodology and its interesting to see their ratings.
Nobody here is watching every player on every play of every game, so they're offering something we don't have.
I still think Jones is terrible, but he did play well on Thursday. Let's turn the O over to him and let him work. 40+ combined passes any runs per game. Give him a chance to sink or swim.
Unlike the last 5 years of Giants football, at least that would be interesting
You should be judging Jones vs prior versions of Jones and looking for signs of growth from him(and the Giant's offense as a whole).
Considering the Giants "pass rush" the first two weeks I'd only expect the opposing quarterbacks to play well...receivers are getting open and the opposing quarterback has generally been able to stand back and calmly survey the field.
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
I think you are usually very spot on. But I think you underrate Jones. I think he is a middle of the pack QB that can hurt the opposition with his feet. He has more yardage running than half the RB's in the league so far. Teams have to account for him. Of all the number one picks the Giants have had in recent years...he might actually suck less than most of them.
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
And it didn't because Jones's offense couldn't take advantage.
You err on the side of NYG bashing always and forever. Just admit it and we can move on.
I don't bash. I analyze and try to use some objective standards. It shouldn't be held against me that other poster - maybe you, maybe not - don't watch other teams and their players play.
He is ranked 9th in QBR, which isn't bad but its two games.
honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
And it didn't because Jones's offense couldn't take advantage.
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Haha ok, cool!
RE: He is ranked 9th in QBR, which isn't bad but its two games.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
Let's see what people do with this.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
If you watched the game Jones individual performance was fantastic, the supporting cast was the issue.
Jones is the guy, he has "it". Fans just need to accept this and be patient.
DJ is awesome
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Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
If you watched the game Jones individual performance was fantastic, the supporting cast was the issue.
Jones is the guy, he has "it". Fans just need to accept this and be patient.
Is that you DG?...
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
as others note, our biggest issues right now are not related to the QB position... which is less about DJ and more of an indictment of the rest of the team.
Haha, just fired up some popcorn and cracked a beer.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
Derek Carr has been absolutely tremendous. Yesterday, they were riddled with major injuries on the OL and at RB yesterday. Yet, Carr delivered a huge performance against a team who won in Buffalo the prior week. And that's after beating the Ravens last week, who beat the Chiefs this week.
If anyone has watched Carr as much as me, do you believe Jones has been > Carr so far??
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Haha, just fired up some popcorn and cracked a beer.
Did you actually?
Anyone that's watched Carr play knows this is a ridiculous ranking.
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Haha, just fired up some popcorn and cracked a beer.
Did you actually?
Anyone that's watched Carr play knows this is a ridiculous ranking.
Yes.
Derek Carr has been absolutely tremendous. Yesterday, they were riddled with major injuries on the OL and at RB yesterday. Yet, Carr delivered a huge performance against a team who won in Buffalo the prior week. And that's after beating the Ravens last week, who beat the Chiefs this week.
If anyone has watched Carr as much as me, do you believe Jones has been > Carr so far??
Carr is criminally underrated though. I don't understand the hate he gets. Ravens secondary is in trouble though right now and the Steelers lost Watt in the first half. That's a big hit. DJ wasn't good in week 1, but he wasn't bad either. Garrett completely hamstrung the offense with his play selection. I'm hoping to see more of what we saw Thursday moving forward. If we don't put up more than 17 points against that Dallas defense and Lawrence is still out, I'll support cleaning house.
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Haha, just fired up some popcorn and cracked a beer.
Did you actually?
Anyone that's watched Carr play knows this is a ridiculous ranking.
But doesn't he have like 4 fumbles and 1 interception though?
Just didn't realize 63% completion rate, and 250 yards and 1 TD per game gets you a #2 overall ranking among QBs.
Should Giants wait or extend him now before he overtakes Brady and maybe save some money?
Did we also land on the moon?
I am challenging how Jones can possibly be ranked ahead of Carr thus far. I just don't see the same or better performance.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
This is Stupid and in the same breath you call our defense trash, which both of these QB's played against. And the Defense DJ played against are both high quality.
If they let him try to win the game the last drive and succeeded there would be quite a bit of positive press as turning the corner imo.
Carr is criminally underrated though. I don't understand the hate he gets. Ravens secondary is in trouble though right now and the Steelers lost Watt in the first half. That's a big hit. DJ wasn't good in week 1, but he wasn't bad either. Garrett completely hamstrung the offense with his play selection. I'm hoping to see more of what we saw Thursday moving forward. If we don't put up more than 17 points against that Dallas defense and Lawrence is still out, I'll support cleaning house.
I think the Carr image has been tarnished by the media's narrative that Gruden - apparently - isn't enamored with him. And yet Gruden keeps praising Carr effusively.
I've written a few times that Jones has played pretty well so far. He's certainly not the reason we are 0-2 right now.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
You err on the side of NYG bashing always and forever. Just admit it and we can move on.
but it should at least allow for an honest assessment as to how much of our 0-2 start is b/c of the QB vs other aspects of the team.
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Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
You err on the side of NYG bashing always and forever. Just admit it and we can move on.
They deserve to be bashed.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
I'd rather be a fan of the team I root for on Moral Victory Interactive than a masochist on "I Pepper Spray My Eyeballs Every Time Jones Makes a Good Play Interactive"
Nobody here is watching every player on every play of every game, so they're offering something we don't have.
I still think Jones is terrible, but he did play well on Thursday. Let's turn the O over to him and let him work. 40+ combined passes any runs per game. Give him a chance to sink or swim.
Unlike the last 5 years of Giants football, at least that would be interesting
You should be judging Jones vs prior versions of Jones and looking for signs of growth from him(and the Giant's offense as a whole).
Considering the Giants "pass rush" the first two weeks I'd only expect the opposing quarterbacks to play well...receivers are getting open and the opposing quarterback has generally been able to stand back and calmly survey the field.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
I think you are usually very spot on. But I think you underrate Jones. I think he is a middle of the pack QB that can hurt the opposition with his feet. He has more yardage running than half the RB's in the league so far. Teams have to account for him. Of all the number one picks the Giants have had in recent years...he might actually suck less than most of them.
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Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
And it didn't because Jones's offense couldn't take advantage.
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Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
You err on the side of NYG bashing always and forever. Just admit it and we can move on.
I don't bash. I analyze and try to use some objective standards. It shouldn't be held against me that other poster - maybe you, maybe not - don't watch other teams and their players play.
He's put together two nice games. I am sure he's done that in the past. Will he continue to do it is the question.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
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Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
And it didn't because Jones's offense couldn't take advantage.
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Haha ok, cool!
He's put together two nice games. I am sure he's done that in the past. Will he continue to do it is the question.
And Taylor didn't play the second half of the Cleveland game yesterday.