terrible. ELi in 04 against the Ravens was terrible. Simms against Philly 1989 was terrible. Jones wasn't good week 1, needed to play better and he did. Let's see him do it again.
RE: everyone has to exaggerate just to make a fucking point
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
RE: RE: I don't trust PFF grades at all, Brady did not play all that well
honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
PFF indicating Jones is #2 ranked passer yet it is noted here that Tom Brady isn't really playing well.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
It's been confirmed that Producer is the kicking net that Odell fought with then got engaged too. He/she is still bitter OBJ was traded which is why he hates the team he is stuck on the sidelines with. This also explains how he/she is privy to sideline convos.
Carr has been very good but like everything Jones there's selective
visualization of reality. Take the play linked below from Carr as example #1 - if Jones threw an inaccurate ball like this in the RZ in OT that lead to an INT, it would be a week-long discussion the same way the fumble was vs. Denver.
Or there would be complaints about his 3 fumbles in 2 games (he's on pace for 25+ fumbles!!!!).
But alas, Carr is not Jones and was not drafted by Gettleman so the grass is as green as it gets (for now).
And for the record i'd consider just about any QB who has a 4:1 TD to turnover ratio (as both players do right now) is pretty good. Especially since both played 2 stronger defenses with unsettled lines in front of them (Jones has been sacked 5x, Carr 4x). Both have also had multiple TD's taken off the board. NFL @NFL THE RAVENS PICK IT IN THE END ZONE. - ( New Window )
Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
yes, another dumb take by terps. heinicke literally cost his team the game with an AWFUL INT. the giants just coached like pussies at the end or game was over and taylor was the donkey. sorry but jones was better of the 2 and it was barely close.
Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
Heinicke’s interception gets brought up but Jone’s fumble gets excused away by the same crowd that says he was good week 1.
never said he was good week 1. it was an awful fumble but when discussing thursday game, jones was the better QB. im not sure anyone who doesnt have an agenda would agree
RE: RE: I don't trust PFF grades at all, Brady did not play all that well
honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
Because not all situations are the same. The Bucs offense talent wise outside of QB is the best in football and the Falcons might be the worst defense in the league (still think that honor belongs to the Cowboys, but its up for debate, and I haven't seen the Jags yet). Brady was playing pitch and catch mostly out there with great protection. I mean even if we don't give the same protection next week, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Brady played decent, but he was missing some reads and definetly straight-up missed some throws pretty bad down the field and in the intermediate. Lots of guys throw 5 TDs last week. I live here, I watch more Bucs than anyone on this board I"m sure the last 10 years.
Speaking of which, when we do play them, if we try to "establish the run", it should be a fireable offense. It cost the Falcons an opportunity in that game, multiple huge swing plays and they decided to run out of tight formations. That front is unreal.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
Right. Golladay was yelling because Jones' throws were perfect but Jones was hogging the mallomars. Try using the intelligence that God gave you. And try watching the tape. Jones is holding the ball too long on just about all of Golladay's targets.
Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
He had 220 yards and 2 turnovers. That’s well? Jesus the bar is in hell
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
Right. Golladay was yelling because Jones' throws were perfect but Jones was hogging the mallomars. Try using the intelligence that God gave you. And try watching the tape. Jones is holding the ball too long on just about all of Golladay's targets.
or he was mad he wasnt being targeted enough....you do know garrett was close by to jones when golladay was yelling. His tirade could have been about a multitude of things targeted at more than 1 person. My guess is he was mad he wasnt getting targeted first every play AS HE SHOULD
very well against WTF and not so well against Denver. Golladay dropped two or three and Slayton dropped two or three including the TD.
Jones is not the #2 passer in the NFL. Nor is he #20. He was inaccurate on about 6 passes(behind) Thursday. Nit Picky but true. But oddly enough, to the chagrin of 3 or 4 posters, when given just a bit of time he makes his reads and throws a nice ball. Funny how that happens.
Anyway, anybody that uses PFF for proof of anything beyond data and numbers is foolish.
RE: RE: RE: I don't trust PFF grades at all, Brady did not play all that well
honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
Because not all situations are the same. The Bucs offense talent wise outside of QB is the best in football and the Falcons might be the worst defense in the league (still think that honor belongs to the Cowboys, but its up for debate, and I haven't seen the Jags yet). Brady was playing pitch and catch mostly out there with great protection. I mean even if we don't give the same protection next week, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Brady played decent, but he was missing some reads and definetly straight-up missed some throws pretty bad down the field and in the intermediate. Lots of guys throw 5 TDs last week. I live here, I watch more Bucs than anyone on this board I"m sure the last 10 years.
Speaking of which, when we do play them, if we try to "establish the run", it should be a fireable offense. It cost the Falcons an opportunity in that game, multiple huge swing plays and they decided to run out of tight formations. That front is unreal.
This is moronic. So Jones is going to put up the same numbers against the Falcons defense right?
5 touchdowns and no picks. He put the ball into the end zone and won by 23 points. That’s not decent, if it is than what was Jones performance Thursday?
Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
He had 220 yards and 2 turnovers. That’s well? Jesus the bar is in hell
The INT which bounced off Engram's hands and Gallman not able to handle a snap?
Do you think that football in a one player game, like tennis or golf?
These QBs play with 21 other guys, O and D and our OC and DC stunk the place out in both games.
If Jones was on the Bucs offense sure. I mean we should still put up
about 30 on them. Do not you realize the Bucs offense is infinitely more talented than ours? They have the most talented offense in the league and it's not really close. They were pretty damn good when Jameis was there, but then they added a rock solid RT, Fournette, and Gronk (who can still play, looks better than he did last year tbh) Or was it the Tom Bradys 45 the Matt Ryans 30 to you last week or whatever the final score was, turned it off in the 4th once the game was not in the balance.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
He had 220 yards and 2 turnovers. That’s well? Jesus the bar is in hell
The INT which bounced off Engram's hands and Gallman not able to handle a snap?
Are you joking?
Always someone else’s fault. You can take out the turnovers and 220 yards and 2 tds is good?
RE: If Jones was on the Bucs offense sure. I mean we should still put up
about 30 on them. Do not you realize the Bucs offense is infinitely more talented than ours? They have the most talented offense in the league and it's not really close. They were pretty damn good when Jameis was there, but then they added a rock solid RT, Fournette, and Gronk (who can still play, looks better than he did last year tbh) Or was it the Tom Bradys 45 the Matt Ryans 30 to you last week or whatever the final score was, turned it off in the 4th once the game was not in the balance.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
You’re not making the point you think you’re making. Brady took advantage of his talent gap. That doesn’t mean he was decent. He was great yesterday. Them being talented doesn’t mean he wasn’t. What did you want 8 touchdowns? Jones needs to throw 3 tds Sunday to even have 5 in three games.
Heinicke’s interception gets brought up but Jone’s fumble gets excused away by the same crowd that says he was good week 1.
Funny. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I don't think people were raving about Daniel Jones after week 1. BUT, I do remember multiple threads burying Garrett for his shit playcalling. You would think some people deny it's possible for Garrett to have an effect on Jones play.
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
Whether that’s true or not — do you believe he’s been the 2nd best passer in the NFL this year?
I have been a Daniel Jones skeptic since he was in college
PFF is calculated completely differently than these other advanced metrics
Additionally is in tops in the league in depth of completion.
These are all fairly objective (PFF not as objective) measurements and they all seem to line up.
Perhaps he is playing well and what is going on around him is a mess. Price is a disaster at center. In addition to blocking poorly he had multiple high snaps. Barkley clearly isn’t elite right now…and as well as Shep has played, when was the last time someone made a play for Jones in a way that Kelce did last night on that ridiculous run after the catch. The offense was supposed to improve based on Barkley returning to form, signing Golladay, drafting Toney, and consistency along the o-line. None of these things have panned out to this point (it’s early). Couple that with a boring/predictable route tree that Garrett favors (how many 4 curl route plays can they do) and Jones has been the bright spot on offense.
Will Jones prove to be a consistent top 10 QB? I am still skeptical, however i can admit he has impressed thus far (2 games)
PFF is calculated completely differently than these other advanced metrics
Additionally is in tops in the league in depth of completion.
These are all fairly objective (PFF not as objective) measurements and they all seem to line up.
Perhaps he is playing well and what is going on around him is a mess. Price is a disaster at center. In addition to blocking poorly he had multiple high snaps. Barkley clearly isn’t elite right now…and as well as Shep has played, when was the last time someone made a play for Jones in a way that Kelce did last night on that ridiculous run after the catch. The offense was supposed to improve based on Barkley returning to form, signing Golladay, drafting Toney, and consistency along the o-line. None of these things have panned out to this point (it’s early). Couple that with a boring/predictable route tree that Garrett favors (how many 4 curl route plays can they do) and Jones has been the bright spot on offense.
Will Jones prove to be a consistent top 10 QB? I am still skeptical, however i can admit he has impressed thus far (2 games)
other than his running ability, he rarely ever can make an off script play.
watching some QB's yesterday so some pretty awesome things when a play breaks down made me think that with JOnes, it is less about what he does but rather what he doesn't do that contributes to losing.
again, I don't put him very high on the list of NYG problems right now but I also don't see him being a difference maker.
RE: RE: If Jones was on the Bucs offense sure. I mean we should still put up
about 30 on them. Do not you realize the Bucs offense is infinitely more talented than ours? They have the most talented offense in the league and it's not really close. They were pretty damn good when Jameis was there, but then they added a rock solid RT, Fournette, and Gronk (who can still play, looks better than he did last year tbh) Or was it the Tom Bradys 45 the Matt Ryans 30 to you last week or whatever the final score was, turned it off in the 4th once the game was not in the balance.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
You’re not making the point you think you’re making. Brady took advantage of his talent gap. That doesn’t mean he was decent. He was great yesterday. Them being talented doesn’t mean he wasn’t. What did you want 8 touchdowns? Jones needs to throw 3 tds Sunday to even have 5 in three games.
Okay I get it, in your world it’s the QB and then everyone else is just a jersey with pads. No wonder you think DJ stinks.
You can put 10-15 QBs on the Bucs Sunday and they toss 5 TDs. Every QBs situation is different and Tom choose his situation VERY carefully. You are starting to see the cracks in the Bucs though and it’s their secondary. Their secondary the last decade has been our OL. Some fools gold last year with Ints because teams were forced to play shootout and that front 7 gets after it, best in football.
RE: RE: I have been a Daniel Jones skeptic since he was in college
PFF is calculated completely differently than these other advanced metrics
Additionally is in tops in the league in depth of completion.
These are all fairly objective (PFF not as objective) measurements and they all seem to line up.
Perhaps he is playing well and what is going on around him is a mess. Price is a disaster at center. In addition to blocking poorly he had multiple high snaps. Barkley clearly isn’t elite right now…and as well as Shep has played, when was the last time someone made a play for Jones in a way that Kelce did last night on that ridiculous run after the catch. The offense was supposed to improve based on Barkley returning to form, signing Golladay, drafting Toney, and consistency along the o-line. None of these things have panned out to this point (it’s early). Couple that with a boring/predictable route tree that Garrett favors (how many 4 curl route plays can they do) and Jones has been the bright spot on offense.
Will Jones prove to be a consistent top 10 QB? I am still skeptical, however i can admit he has impressed thus far (2 games)
Great response.
Times two and all that a talent differential. Of the OL can just be not disastrous this week, I think we see another excellent performance.
RE: RE: RE: If Jones was on the Bucs offense sure. I mean we should still put up
about 30 on them. Do not you realize the Bucs offense is infinitely more talented than ours? They have the most talented offense in the league and it's not really close. They were pretty damn good when Jameis was there, but then they added a rock solid RT, Fournette, and Gronk (who can still play, looks better than he did last year tbh) Or was it the Tom Bradys 45 the Matt Ryans 30 to you last week or whatever the final score was, turned it off in the 4th once the game was not in the balance.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
You’re not making the point you think you’re making. Brady took advantage of his talent gap. That doesn’t mean he was decent. He was great yesterday. Them being talented doesn’t mean he wasn’t. What did you want 8 touchdowns? Jones needs to throw 3 tds Sunday to even have 5 in three games.
Okay I get it, in your world it’s the QB and then everyone else is just a jersey with pads. No wonder you think DJ stinks.
You can put 10-15 QBs on the Bucs Sunday and they toss 5 TDs. Every QBs situation is different and Tom choose his situation VERY carefully. You are starting to see the cracks in the Bucs though and it’s their secondary. Their secondary the last decade has been our OL. Some fools gold last year with Ints because teams were forced to play shootout and that front 7 gets after it, best in football.
And 10-15 QBs would have played well yesterday. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
I swear people just come here to bitch and don't watch the game. They just troll. Even the announcers pointed out a few times that Jones threw it early, with anticipation. The nice pass to Rudolph was one a specifically remember being pointed out and a replay shown. Its like no matter what really happens in the game, it gets ignored for the "agenda"
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
I swear people just come here to bitch and don't watch the game. They just troll. Even the announcers pointed out a few times that Jones threw it early, with anticipation. The nice pass to Rudolph was one a specifically remember being pointed out and a replay shown. Its like no matter what really happens in the game, it gets ignored for the "agenda"
Oh yeah, and Golladay said he was yelling at Garrett not Jones, so once again you made something up
is only good because all the players around him are HoFers.
I'm getting old, but it feels like yesterday when Vincent Jackson and Keenan McCardell were Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. Any HS QB could've done what Phillip Rivers was doing....
Do you think that football in a one player game, like tennis or golf?
These QBs play with 21 other guys, O and D and our OC and DC stunk the place out in both games.
So is this the portion of the Jones debate where someone suggests Jones is only 1/11th of the offense? And he shouldn’t be any more accountable than the LG?
But to answer your question, yes, I do understand that football is a team game and a lot has to happen to get to success.
But the QB is the vital position in the sport and more often than not the play of the QB goes a long way to determining the outcome of a game…
Do you think that football in a one player game, like tennis or golf?
These QBs play with 21 other guys, O and D and our OC and DC stunk the place out in both games.
So is this the portion of the Jones debate where someone suggests Jones is only 1/11th of the offense? And he shouldn’t be any more accountable than the LG?
But to answer your question, yes, I do understand that football is a team game and a lot has to happen to get to success.
But the QB is the vital position in the sport and more often than not the play of the QB goes a long way to determining the outcome of a game…
Right, and our QB is ranked 2nd by PFF...which suggests that some of the other 11 play like shit. Now you're getting it
The Giants didn’t pick Sam Darnold. Get over it already and move on.
Darnold wasn't the guy I wanted. And I have moved on - being a Giants fan now is just about trying to understand the errors they make and how it leads to the terrible football we've been subjected to.
15-35. I wonder how bad it has to get before everyone acknowledges this disaster.
The Giants didn’t pick Sam Darnold. Get over it already and move on.
Darnold wasn't the guy I wanted. And I have moved on - being a Giants fan now is just about trying to understand the errors they make and how it leads to the terrible football we've been subjected to.
15-35. I wonder how bad it has to get before everyone acknowledges this disaster.
I don't think you're alone in thinking 15-35 is a disaster. I don't think you are alone in trying to understand the errors. Your perspective and narrative is what is setting you apart.
Your posts portray that the Giants are only capable of performing negatively unless x happens.
You might not be wrong...but it is entirely possible that good things do happen that we can build off of and that x might not always be the reason for losing.
It seems you don't communicate any positives you see.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
There it is! You guys should know the rules by now. PFF is trash, unless of course Daniel is near the bottom of their ratings.
I’m still stunned at the Brady didn’t play well yesterday comment.
Hahahaha
I agree that PFF exaggerated.
Who's exaggerating?
Jones led the offense to 7 points while the game was in doubt. He was awful passing in the red zone, and he made a crucial error with the fumble.
Yeah, terrible.
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
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honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
PFF indicating Jones is #2 ranked passer yet it is noted here that Tom Brady isn't really playing well.
Wild and wacky stuff on just this one thread.
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with proper anticipation and timing.
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
It's been confirmed that Producer is the kicking net that Odell fought with then got engaged too. He/she is still bitter OBJ was traded which is why he hates the team he is stuck on the sidelines with. This also explains how he/she is privy to sideline convos.
Or there would be complaints about his 3 fumbles in 2 games (he's on pace for 25+ fumbles!!!!).
But alas, Carr is not Jones and was not drafted by Gettleman so the grass is as green as it gets (for now).
And for the record i'd consider just about any QB who has a 4:1 TD to turnover ratio (as both players do right now) is pretty good. Especially since both played 2 stronger defenses with unsettled lines in front of them (Jones has been sacked 5x, Carr 4x). Both have also had multiple TD's taken off the board.
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Anyone with Sunday Ticket can tell you there are many quarterbacks playing better football than Jones through two weeks. Shit, Jones was the second best quarterback in the field in both of his games. He played well in Washington, but Heinicke made the plays to win at the end.
But the bar for many here on Moral Victory Interactive is very, very low.
Heinicke threw a pick that should've cost his team the game? LOL
yes, another dumb take by terps. heinicke literally cost his team the game with an AWFUL INT. the giants just coached like pussies at the end or game was over and taylor was the donkey. sorry but jones was better of the 2 and it was barely close.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
never said he was good week 1. it was an awful fumble but when discussing thursday game, jones was the better QB. im not sure anyone who doesnt have an agenda would agree
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honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
Because not all situations are the same. The Bucs offense talent wise outside of QB is the best in football and the Falcons might be the worst defense in the league (still think that honor belongs to the Cowboys, but its up for debate, and I haven't seen the Jags yet). Brady was playing pitch and catch mostly out there with great protection. I mean even if we don't give the same protection next week, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Brady played decent, but he was missing some reads and definetly straight-up missed some throws pretty bad down the field and in the intermediate. Lots of guys throw 5 TDs last week. I live here, I watch more Bucs than anyone on this board I"m sure the last 10 years.
Speaking of which, when we do play them, if we try to "establish the run", it should be a fireable offense. It cost the Falcons an opportunity in that game, multiple huge swing plays and they decided to run out of tight formations. That front is unreal.
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with proper anticipation and timing.
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
Right. Golladay was yelling because Jones' throws were perfect but Jones was hogging the mallomars. Try using the intelligence that God gave you. And try watching the tape. Jones is holding the ball too long on just about all of Golladay's targets.
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Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
He had 220 yards and 2 turnovers. That’s well? Jesus the bar is in hell
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with proper anticipation and timing.
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
Right. Golladay was yelling because Jones' throws were perfect but Jones was hogging the mallomars. Try using the intelligence that God gave you. And try watching the tape. Jones is holding the ball too long on just about all of Golladay's targets.
or he was mad he wasnt being targeted enough....you do know garrett was close by to jones when golladay was yelling. His tirade could have been about a multitude of things targeted at more than 1 person. My guess is he was mad he wasnt getting targeted first every play AS HE SHOULD
Jones is not the #2 passer in the NFL. Nor is he #20. He was inaccurate on about 6 passes(behind) Thursday. Nit Picky but true. But oddly enough, to the chagrin of 3 or 4 posters, when given just a bit of time he makes his reads and throws a nice ball. Funny how that happens.
Anyway, anybody that uses PFF for proof of anything beyond data and numbers is foolish.
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honestly yesterday. Missed reads and certainly some misfires. His team crushed ass though and he's the architect, but not sure how PFF comes up with that based on their grading system.
The Falcons defense is really bad, we should hopefully put up about 30 again as long as the defense doesn't give up 12 minute drives.
He completed 67% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns lol. You claim Jones played well Week 1 but Brady did not play all that well?
Because not all situations are the same. The Bucs offense talent wise outside of QB is the best in football and the Falcons might be the worst defense in the league (still think that honor belongs to the Cowboys, but its up for debate, and I haven't seen the Jags yet). Brady was playing pitch and catch mostly out there with great protection. I mean even if we don't give the same protection next week, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Brady played decent, but he was missing some reads and definetly straight-up missed some throws pretty bad down the field and in the intermediate. Lots of guys throw 5 TDs last week. I live here, I watch more Bucs than anyone on this board I"m sure the last 10 years.
Speaking of which, when we do play them, if we try to "establish the run", it should be a fireable offense. It cost the Falcons an opportunity in that game, multiple huge swing plays and they decided to run out of tight formations. That front is unreal.
This is moronic. So Jones is going to put up the same numbers against the Falcons defense right?
5 touchdowns and no picks. He put the ball into the end zone and won by 23 points. That’s not decent, if it is than what was Jones performance Thursday?
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Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
He had 220 yards and 2 turnovers. That’s well? Jesus the bar is in hell
The INT which bounced off Engram's hands and Gallman not able to handle a snap?
Are you joking?
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
Do you think that football in a one player game, like tennis or golf?
These QBs play with 21 other guys, O and D and our OC and DC stunk the place out in both games.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
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Daniel Jones has played significantly better this year than he did to close the year last year.
He’s been a pleasant surprise, and I hope he builds on it.
That said, is anyone on here willing to defend he’s been the second best passer in the NFL?
Put aside the sarcasm for a moment, anyone want to actually debate that?
He actually played well against Dallas the last game of '20 (the INT was totally EE's fault and it resulted in a 10 pt swing). He also played well a few games around the middle of the season before he got hurt.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
He had 220 yards and 2 turnovers. That’s well? Jesus the bar is in hell
The INT which bounced off Engram's hands and Gallman not able to handle a snap?
Are you joking?
Always someone else’s fault. You can take out the turnovers and 220 yards and 2 tds is good?
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
You’re not making the point you think you’re making. Brady took advantage of his talent gap. That doesn’t mean he was decent. He was great yesterday. Them being talented doesn’t mean he wasn’t. What did you want 8 touchdowns? Jones needs to throw 3 tds Sunday to even have 5 in three games.
Funny. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I don't think people were raving about Daniel Jones after week 1. BUT, I do remember multiple threads burying Garrett for his shit playcalling. You would think some people deny it's possible for Garrett to have an effect on Jones play.
I wouldn't count the games when he was severely hobbled. He prolly shouldn't have been playing a couple of those games.
Whether that’s true or not — do you believe he’s been the 2nd best passer in the NFL this year?
His overall PFF grade is 6th
His overall QBR is 9th
His PAA (points above avg contributed) is 8th
His EPA (expected points added) is 8th
PFF is calculated completely differently than these other advanced metrics
Additionally is in tops in the league in depth of completion.
These are all fairly objective (PFF not as objective) measurements and they all seem to line up.
Perhaps he is playing well and what is going on around him is a mess. Price is a disaster at center. In addition to blocking poorly he had multiple high snaps. Barkley clearly isn’t elite right now…and as well as Shep has played, when was the last time someone made a play for Jones in a way that Kelce did last night on that ridiculous run after the catch. The offense was supposed to improve based on Barkley returning to form, signing Golladay, drafting Toney, and consistency along the o-line. None of these things have panned out to this point (it’s early). Couple that with a boring/predictable route tree that Garrett favors (how many 4 curl route plays can they do) and Jones has been the bright spot on offense.
Will Jones prove to be a consistent top 10 QB? I am still skeptical, however i can admit he has impressed thus far (2 games)
His overall PFF grade is 6th
His overall QBR is 9th
His PAA (points above avg contributed) is 8th
His EPA (expected points added) is 8th
PFF is calculated completely differently than these other advanced metrics
Additionally is in tops in the league in depth of completion.
These are all fairly objective (PFF not as objective) measurements and they all seem to line up.
Perhaps he is playing well and what is going on around him is a mess. Price is a disaster at center. In addition to blocking poorly he had multiple high snaps. Barkley clearly isn’t elite right now…and as well as Shep has played, when was the last time someone made a play for Jones in a way that Kelce did last night on that ridiculous run after the catch. The offense was supposed to improve based on Barkley returning to form, signing Golladay, drafting Toney, and consistency along the o-line. None of these things have panned out to this point (it’s early). Couple that with a boring/predictable route tree that Garrett favors (how many 4 curl route plays can they do) and Jones has been the bright spot on offense.
Will Jones prove to be a consistent top 10 QB? I am still skeptical, however i can admit he has impressed thus far (2 games)
Great response.
watching some QB's yesterday so some pretty awesome things when a play breaks down made me think that with JOnes, it is less about what he does but rather what he doesn't do that contributes to losing.
again, I don't put him very high on the list of NYG problems right now but I also don't see him being a difference maker.
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about 30 on them. Do not you realize the Bucs offense is infinitely more talented than ours? They have the most talented offense in the league and it's not really close. They were pretty damn good when Jameis was there, but then they added a rock solid RT, Fournette, and Gronk (who can still play, looks better than he did last year tbh) Or was it the Tom Bradys 45 the Matt Ryans 30 to you last week or whatever the final score was, turned it off in the 4th once the game was not in the balance.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
You’re not making the point you think you’re making. Brady took advantage of his talent gap. That doesn’t mean he was decent. He was great yesterday. Them being talented doesn’t mean he wasn’t. What did you want 8 touchdowns? Jones needs to throw 3 tds Sunday to even have 5 in three games.
Okay I get it, in your world it’s the QB and then everyone else is just a jersey with pads. No wonder you think DJ stinks.
You can put 10-15 QBs on the Bucs Sunday and they toss 5 TDs. Every QBs situation is different and Tom choose his situation VERY carefully. You are starting to see the cracks in the Bucs though and it’s their secondary. Their secondary the last decade has been our OL. Some fools gold last year with Ints because teams were forced to play shootout and that front 7 gets after it, best in football.
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However, to just dismiss the PFF is problematic.
His overall QBR is 9th
His PAA (points above avg contributed) is 8th
His EPA (expected points added) is 8th
PFF is calculated completely differently than these other advanced metrics
Additionally is in tops in the league in depth of completion.
These are all fairly objective (PFF not as objective) measurements and they all seem to line up.
Perhaps he is playing well and what is going on around him is a mess. Price is a disaster at center. In addition to blocking poorly he had multiple high snaps. Barkley clearly isn’t elite right now…and as well as Shep has played, when was the last time someone made a play for Jones in a way that Kelce did last night on that ridiculous run after the catch. The offense was supposed to improve based on Barkley returning to form, signing Golladay, drafting Toney, and consistency along the o-line. None of these things have panned out to this point (it’s early). Couple that with a boring/predictable route tree that Garrett favors (how many 4 curl route plays can they do) and Jones has been the bright spot on offense.
Will Jones prove to be a consistent top 10 QB? I am still skeptical, however i can admit he has impressed thus far (2 games)
Great response.
Times two and all that a talent differential. Of the OL can just be not disastrous this week, I think we see another excellent performance.
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about 30 on them. Do not you realize the Bucs offense is infinitely more talented than ours? They have the most talented offense in the league and it's not really close. They were pretty damn good when Jameis was there, but then they added a rock solid RT, Fournette, and Gronk (who can still play, looks better than he did last year tbh) Or was it the Tom Bradys 45 the Matt Ryans 30 to you last week or whatever the final score was, turned it off in the 4th once the game was not in the balance.
Go look at some of the damn touchdown passes that the attempts on defense were laughable. Hopefully this is the week the Golladay Jones connection gets going. They ran a fade and the dude was like 3 yards off, I'm not even sure how tthat happens. Brady didn't even have to put low to the pylon or high and outside.
You’re not making the point you think you’re making. Brady took advantage of his talent gap. That doesn’t mean he was decent. He was great yesterday. Them being talented doesn’t mean he wasn’t. What did you want 8 touchdowns? Jones needs to throw 3 tds Sunday to even have 5 in three games.
Okay I get it, in your world it’s the QB and then everyone else is just a jersey with pads. No wonder you think DJ stinks.
You can put 10-15 QBs on the Bucs Sunday and they toss 5 TDs. Every QBs situation is different and Tom choose his situation VERY carefully. You are starting to see the cracks in the Bucs though and it’s their secondary. Their secondary the last decade has been our OL. Some fools gold last year with Ints because teams were forced to play shootout and that front 7 gets after it, best in football.
And 10-15 QBs would have played well yesterday. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
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with proper anticipation and timing.
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
I swear people just come here to bitch and don't watch the game. They just troll. Even the announcers pointed out a few times that Jones threw it early, with anticipation. The nice pass to Rudolph was one a specifically remember being pointed out and a replay shown. Its like no matter what really happens in the game, it gets ignored for the "agenda"
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with proper anticipation and timing.
He is a see it / throw it QB.
This is why Golladay was yelling on the sideline. Jones is holding the ball too long.
This is a liad of crap. I saw at least 7 throws thursdsy where he was releasing before a guy was out if his break. Glad to kmow you were privy to the argument between golladay and jones.
I swear people just come here to bitch and don't watch the game. They just troll. Even the announcers pointed out a few times that Jones threw it early, with anticipation. The nice pass to Rudolph was one a specifically remember being pointed out and a replay shown. Its like no matter what really happens in the game, it gets ignored for the "agenda"
Oh yeah, and Golladay said he was yelling at Garrett not Jones, so once again you made something up
I'm getting old, but it feels like yesterday when Vincent Jackson and Keenan McCardell were Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. Any HS QB could've done what Phillip Rivers was doing....
The Giants didn’t pick Sam Darnold. Get over it already and move on.
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PFF, nothing will.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
Do you think that football in a one player game, like tennis or golf?
These QBs play with 21 other guys, O and D and our OC and DC stunk the place out in both games.
So is this the portion of the Jones debate where someone suggests Jones is only 1/11th of the offense? And he shouldn’t be any more accountable than the LG?
But to answer your question, yes, I do understand that football is a team game and a lot has to happen to get to success.
But the QB is the vital position in the sport and more often than not the play of the QB goes a long way to determining the outcome of a game…
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PFF, nothing will.
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
Do you think that football in a one player game, like tennis or golf?
These QBs play with 21 other guys, O and D and our OC and DC stunk the place out in both games.
So is this the portion of the Jones debate where someone suggests Jones is only 1/11th of the offense? And he shouldn’t be any more accountable than the LG?
But to answer your question, yes, I do understand that football is a team game and a lot has to happen to get to success.
But the QB is the vital position in the sport and more often than not the play of the QB goes a long way to determining the outcome of a game…
Right, and our QB is ranked 2nd by PFF...which suggests that some of the other 11 play like shit. Now you're getting it
Was he better than Bridgewater game one? No.
Heinicki game two? I don’t know there either…
"PFF disagrees with my narrative, PFF must be wrong"
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Jones was terrible against Denver. Terrible.
The Giants didn’t pick Sam Darnold. Get over it already and move on.
Darnold wasn't the guy I wanted. And I have moved on - being a Giants fan now is just about trying to understand the errors they make and how it leads to the terrible football we've been subjected to.
15-35. I wonder how bad it has to get before everyone acknowledges this disaster.
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Jones was terrible against Denver. Terrible.
The Giants didn’t pick Sam Darnold. Get over it already and move on.
Darnold wasn't the guy I wanted. And I have moved on - being a Giants fan now is just about trying to understand the errors they make and how it leads to the terrible football we've been subjected to.
15-35. I wonder how bad it has to get before everyone acknowledges this disaster.
I don't think you're alone in thinking 15-35 is a disaster. I don't think you are alone in trying to understand the errors. Your perspective and narrative is what is setting you apart.
Your posts portray that the Giants are only capable of performing negatively unless x happens.
You might not be wrong...but it is entirely possible that good things do happen that we can build off of and that x might not always be the reason for losing.
It seems you don't communicate any positives you see.