I bring this more up as just what a waste the sports writing business is as opposed to the substance of the article. This article takes a few incidents in the past, ties it to one that happened last week and does what?
Moreover, our offense was amazing on Thursday and the only real beef I had with it was the playcall after the INT (which Judge had to have influenced). Garrett is awful and he should have been roundly criticized after week one, but last Thursday night was one of his best games as playcaller for the Giants. Could have put up 40 points if a few things broke differently. Seems like this should be the week where Garrett gets a pass.
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golladay was pissed after the 2nd to last possession of the game where Garrett had him run 3 straight curls. And on the first one the DB interfered with him, but because it was a curl route they only call PI if the DB egregiously gets there way too early. I think it was a situation where he felt like he could win by doing what was working the whole game and instead they called routes that haven't worked all season (or last for that matter).
Maybe so, but so many of the field goals were unforced turnovers by our OL with presnap penalties. To put up the production we did against a defense that is supposedly that good (we really dont know this early how good or bad WFT defense reall will be) was a nice game, though.
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We didn't score touchdowns. We kicked 5 field goals. We couldn't convert 3rd downs.
Maybe so, but so many of the field goals were unforced turnovers by our OL with presnap penalties. To put up the production we did against a defense that is supposedly that good (we really dont know this early how good or bad WFT defense reall will be) was a nice game, though.
On top of losing one to a bad holding call...
8 drives into Washington territory and only 2 TDs is not amazing either.
Really? We put up 29 points, had 4 points called back, had 4 points dropped on a receiver open by 20 yards. Right there that is 37 points against a supposedly top-notch defense. I mean, if that is not close to amazing, I don't know what is. Nobody said he called a perfect game, but on three days notice and rest, he diced a defense with a perfect combination of running from the QB and passing. It is funny, how people can be so blinded by their hatred of someone. I don't like Garrett, but he called a good game Thursday night. Not backing down from that, even if you want to find some daylight between good or amazing.
Shurmur the guy everyone wanted out of here and not only for his terrible ability to be a head coach, but his game play calling. To compare Shurmur and Brady to Reid (who btw is three steps ahead of McVay and Shanahan), McVay, and Shanahann is insane.
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Really? We put up 29 points, had 4 points called back, had 4 points dropped on a receiver open by 20 yards. Right there that is 37 points against a supposedly top-notch defense. I mean, if that is not close to amazing, I don't know what is. Nobody said he called a perfect game, but on three days notice and rest, he diced a defense with a perfect combination of running from the QB and passing. It is funny, how people can be so blinded by their hatred of someone. I don't like Garrett, but he called a good game Thursday night. Not backing down from that, even if you want to find some daylight between good or amazing.
Well sure, but words mean things. 'Amazing' when the offensive team scored 12 points and kicker scored 17 doesn't work.
You're not going to win real games kicking field goals and going 4 of 12 on third down. Drops happen. That's execution. If it happens a lot, it means you're a bad offense. I'm not killing them for drops
29 points is amazing in the context of the last 3 years. I'll take games like that over games that we've been getting, but saying that game was amazing means you don't think they did much that can be improved.
Jason Garrett stinks, just seems like an odd time to be on him. Joe Judge is a career 6-12 and was absolutely awful Thursday and Graham's defense has been sliced up by check down Teddy and Taylor Heinecke. Garrett is a career 87-70 as a head coach, had one losing season in a decade as a head coach etc etc. Do I want him here? No. But he is competent and has a record to prove that. Judge and Graham have no real record of anything close to that to prove their worth. Just seems like the focus is on the wrong guy this week.
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and it's the first time this offense has scored 29 points...
Jason Garrett stinks, just seems like an odd time to be on him. Joe Judge is a career 6-12 and was absolutely awful Thursday and Graham's defense has been sliced up by check down Teddy and Taylor Heinecke. Garrett is a career 87-70 as a head coach, had one losing season in a decade as a head coach etc etc. Do I want him here? No. But he is competent and has a record to prove that. Judge and Graham have no real record of anything close to that to prove their worth. Just seems like the focus is on the wrong guy this week.
Fair point. I think all the coaches on this team deserve the scrutiny they are getting right now. They aren't getting our players ready for games. Other rookie first round WR's are making an impact for their teams...ours can't even make it onto the field.
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A league average game on Thursday. We just call it “great” because we are used to bottom tier play calling. His play calling is still NOTHING compared to Shurmur, Reid, McVay, Shanahan, or Joe Brady.
Shurmur the guy everyone wanted out of here and not only for his terrible ability to be a head coach, but his game play calling. To compare Shurmur and Brady to Reid (who btw is three steps ahead of McVay and Shanahan), McVay, and Shanahann is insane.
Terrible HC, no one is denying that. But Shurmur is a fine OC.
I've never bought into the Skins defense. I've thought they've been massively overhyped. When most of your points are long field goals, I don't think that's amazing. Better than expected? Sure, but the hyperbole is laughable.
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A league average game on Thursday. We just call it “great” because we are used to bottom tier play calling. His play calling is still NOTHING compared to Shurmur, Reid, McVay, Shanahan, or Joe Brady.
Shurmur the guy everyone wanted out of here and not only for his terrible ability to be a head coach, but his game play calling. To compare Shurmur and Brady to Reid (who btw is three steps ahead of McVay and Shanahan), McVay, and Shanahann is insane.
Terrible HC, no one is denying that. But Shurmur is a fine OC.
There is a huge difference between being a "fine" offensive coordinator and Andy Reid. I had a lot of issues with Shurmur's feel of the game as a playcaller. But, no, he is not imcompetent if that is your point.
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Really? We put up 29 points, had 4 points called back, had 4 points dropped on a receiver open by 20 yards. Right there that is 37 points against a supposedly top-notch defense.
I've never bought into the Skins defense. I've thought they've been massively overhyped. When most of your points are long field goals, I don't think that's amazing. Better than expected? Sure, but the hyperbole is laughable.
But little of the reason why we had long fg's was Garrett's fault directly and because of pre-snap penalties that killed us. However, if you want to criticize Garrett for not having a disciplined team to avoid those penalties, that is certainly fair.
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Really? We put up 29 points, had 4 points called back, had 4 points dropped on a receiver open by 20 yards. Right there that is 37 points against a supposedly top-notch defense.
I've never bought into the Skins defense. I've thought they've been massively overhyped. When most of your points are long field goals, I don't think that's amazing. Better than expected? Sure, but the hyperbole is laughable.
The scary part is that red zone offense was a huge focal point in the preseason. The team literally started off running red zone at the very beginning of camp. Yet, they still can’t figure it out
I don't think he's good overall, but I'll say the same thing I have about the D. The players aren't good. We have a bad QB, a bad OL, average-ish receivers. And whatever we have at RB (which doesn't really matter anyway).
Fans want to feel good about blaming the coaches and schemes because its an easy fix. If only we changed this one thing we'd be good, right? Nope. We're bad on both sides of the ball because we have very few good players on this team. And zero great players who can make an outsized impact on winning. Not even close in that department.
So, we're slightly better on offense than Jacksonville? Let's let Denver play a real offense before we crown them the 85 Bears.
You would think by these attacks on Garrett that he's misusing Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Robinson, Hardman, Helaire, Brown Jr, Thuney, Humphrey, etc.
And I really don't care if we keep Garrett or not...
Sirianni is looking like that guy too. Eagles receivers running free on every drop back.
Just saw this:
Highest percentage of pass attempts when receiver is considered open or wide open (PFF)
1. 49ers (61%)
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32. Giants (33%) https://t.co/1IA1412Jvr
I don't think he's good overall, but I'll say the same thing I have about the D. The players aren't good. We have a bad QB, a bad OL, average-ish receivers. And whatever we have at RB (which doesn't really matter anyway).
Fans want to feel good about blaming the coaches and schemes because its an easy fix. If only we changed this one thing we'd be good, right? Nope. We're bad on both sides of the ball because we have very few good players on this team. And zero great players who can make an outsized impact on winning. Not even close in that department.
Oof...
That says it all folks. What a mess.
I don't think he's good overall, but I'll say the same thing I have about the D. The players aren't good. We have a bad QB, a bad OL, average-ish receivers. And whatever we have at RB (which doesn't really matter anyway).
Fans want to feel good about blaming the coaches and schemes because its an easy fix. If only we changed this one thing we'd be good, right? Nope. We're bad on both sides of the ball because we have very few good players on this team. And zero great players who can make an outsized impact on winning. Not even close in that department.
2 literal TDs because nobody knows what the hell Graham is doing and we can't blame the coaches? I'm pretty far from a blame the coaches guy, but this has been terrible this year. Garrett was solid Thursday, but there was definitely room for improvement. Why do you think Golladay blew up on him, completely out of character for the guy. Our coaches have sucked this year.
That doesn't mean that some of these hot takes are wrong, but there's a shit load of bullshit out there too. The echo chamber and constant temperature taking along with daily referendums are just a bit much.
The coaches that deserve blame for Thursday are Judge and Graham. That defense has been a mess over 2 games and we're apparently running the same coverages we were last year (why sign Adoree then?). In regards to Judge, there's conservative on 4th down and there's Judge. He's conservative by 2005 standards, nevermind what's happening leaguewide today. He's going to cost this team wins if he doesn't break from those a little, especially in the kind of game environment we were in on Thursday. If you buy into analytics in any capacity, his 4th down decisions cost the Giants 8% in win probability (that's 1.36 games over a 17 game season). If you're gonna argue "feel", his feel was completely wrong in a game environment that had 59 points scored and offenses that were dominating the action. We were bleeding points in a shootout.
Also, I don't understand how everything on this board is so binary. First it was the Eli vs. OL thing years back (it was both) and now it's the GM vs. OC/Coaching thing (it's probably both). You can be critical of Garrett without being apologetic for Gettleman.
Garrett is ridiculously conservative. But his is coaching a team with few playmakers and he works for a green head coach who is still trying to get his feet under him and playing games to not get blown out.
Yeah, the defense is the biggest concern. We can talk about more than one thing at a time. There is no rule I'm aware of that demands we only talk about the defense.
But, it would be nice if the media would focus on our soft cushion zone coverage on defense instead of some guy who had a bad game yelling at the coach who had a pretty good one. Garrett shouldn’t be the scapegoat because Judge and Graham blew a winnable game.
Another thread here -https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=612562 makes Garrett's thorough going incompetence dramatically clear.
I'm hoping that Judge can replace him w/ a competent OC if the Mara's aren't responsible for this disastrous meddling originally.
Larry