New York Mets
John Flanigan
@jflan816
Jon Heyman thinks Billy Beane is at the top of the Mets’ list, and if Beane is willing to do it the job could be his.
21 seasons the A's have finished .500 or better 15 times. The A's have won 85 or more games 10 times (3 wins away from doing it again). 90+ 9 times. During that same period the Mets have finished .500 or better 7 times, 85+ wins 8 times, 90+ 3 times. As bad as the Wilpons were as owners, John Fisher is one of the cheapest owners in all of sports (despite his personal riches) and the ballpark is arguably the worst in the entire sport. Completely on board with Billy Beane running the Mets, and I assume he'd bring somebody like Owens as his day to day guy.
I'm one who always thought he'd dominate the sport if he had money to back him. Not just about the players on the field though, he'd bring an entire different structure to the franchise all the way down. Including dealing with injuries and injury prevention.
rough math but 4% of the A's is worth about 44 million, 4% of the Mets (Fred/Jeff/Katz own 5) is worth roughly 100 million. If Cohen really wants Beane, I'm confident the ownership stake in the A's will be a non-factor.
I'm one who always thought he'd dominate the sport if he had money to back him. Not just about the players on the field though, he'd bring an entire different structure to the franchise all the way down. Including dealing with injuries and injury prevention.
Their year end payroll since 2000 has never ranked higher than 18th, and since 2010 no higher than 23rd. He does more with less and isn't scared to be aggressive (outbid the entire league for Cespedes).
As SNY has reported, longtime Oakland executive Billy Beane is a top target. Appealing to Alderson because of their long history together and intriguing to Cohen because of his reputation as a disrupter and innovator, Beane could be available for a number of reasons, not least among them the Athletics' longtime struggle for a stadium and possible move to Las Vegas.
Some with the Mets also believe that Beane, who has not been as engaged in the day-to-day baseball operations in Oakland in recent years as GM David Forst, would be reinvigorated by the chance to win a championship in New York with the team that once drafted him as a player.
"I wonder if deeply competitive Billy Beane feels any pangs of “unfinished business” given how his playing career with @mets
went. Coming to @mets
and building a winner… a nice story narrative wise at least #Mets"
to the altar with at least a couple franchises only to stay with the A's?
Red Sox sound familiar.
Also, one thing about the A's is with all their success under Beane even with the financial constraints, they have won just one playoff series. Correct?
Not saying Beane wouldn't be an upgrade over most candidates, but I prefer Theo who has actually sealed the deal a couple times.
I was reading today how the Mariners schooled the Mets - unloading their one-hit-wonder closer, plus their 37 year old salary bloated 2B to the Mets for the Mets top prospect and then take the Mets castoff reliever (Paul Sewald) and turning him into an elite closer. Purely based on analytics on Sewald's slider or something like that.
my knowledge the only time Beane seriously considered leaving Oakland was in 2002 to Boston. It's been suggested he might leave baseball altogether as he owns part of (now 2) soccer teams. The Red Sox reportedly offered Beane something in the neighborhood of 10-12 million but the A's lured him back in with a small ownership stake (now worth roughly 44 million)
to see if Cohen will actually give up a small ownership stake. Both Beane/Theo would almost certainly require one. As I noted above even 4% would be a nearly 100 million dollar value to either guy. One thing that would be in Beane's favor is his long-time relationship with Sandy. Theo may or may not be willing to join a team where he has to "deal with" another authority figure (obviously he'd have to deal with Cohen but he's the owner). Beane is "more likely" to feel comfortable joining Sandy as they have worked together extensively with Beane calling him his "idol".
been rumored Theo is hoping to become the next Commish or become part of an ownership group either with an expansion Nashville franchise or the Padres (where he began).
Like Matt Arnold of the Brewers quite a bit. It’s honestly hard to say from the outside. Look at Jon Daniels, for years he was viewed as one of the smartest, most talented FO people and yet the Rangers have been awful for 5 years and have a lesser farm system than the Mets. Was Daniels overrated? Is Daniels still the same guy but unfortunate results? A guy like Michael Hill on paper is quite boring but he’s also up for multiple jobs every year so what does that say?
was it heyman who said their short list is beane/stearns/theo/neander
if so I'm happy whichever way it goes and honestly as crappy as this year went, it probably makes the Porter debacle worth it. Nothing changes an MLB franchise's trajectory more than getting top tier management - especially in combination with an owner willing to spend.
and to all those who want Alderson burned at the stake remember he is the firsthand link with long relationships with most of those mentioned above as well as cohen. there is no more important advisor in any job interview situation than someone with a firsthand review of what it's like to work with someone. if nothing else he is a very healthy and respected conduit to the targets we want. if there is 1 description of his first 2 phases here it's "good soldier". He ate the Madoff shit sandwich and chased it with a shot of porter. hopefully the 3rd time is the charm.
this is an interesting thought experiment, im pretty sure I'd choose epstein because he has the big market experience. If theo wants the job I don't think there's anything that would make me hesitate to give it to him.
is Beane or Epstein my answer is "yes", I don't think there is a wrong answer. You back up the truck for those two and give them autonomy.
But give the choice as I mentioned before Epstein has been involved in the two legendary WS titles, one as GM and one as President. Both were big markets, but both also heavily into analytics as well (at least I think CHI was, I know BOS was).
So for that reason and as mentioned he has big market, big payroll experience, so I'd chalk that up as a plus to his side of the ledger.
RE: was it heyman who said their short list is beane/stearns/theo/neander
if so I'm happy whichever way it goes and honestly as crappy as this year went, it probably makes the Porter debacle worth it. Nothing changes an MLB franchise's trajectory more than getting top tier management - especially in combination with an owner willing to spend.
and to all those who want Alderson burned at the stake remember he is the firsthand link with long relationships with most of those mentioned above as well as cohen. there is no more important advisor in any job interview situation than someone with a firsthand review of what it's like to work with someone. if nothing else he is a very healthy and respected conduit to the targets we want. if there is 1 description of his first 2 phases here it's "good soldier". He ate the Madoff shit sandwich and chased it with a shot of porter. hopefully the 3rd time is the charm.
If you really read or listen to Heyman’s comments it’s clear he’s just naming the obvious candidates and not that he has specific information. “I could see..” “makes sense due to their relationship…” etc. nothing against Heyman but it’s pretty obvious that’s the case
Cohen reportedly hit it off with Beane at a business event prior to Cohen buying the Mets. It’s a major reason people are connecting Beane (obviously Sandy a huge point as well).
I saw an SNY tweet a little while ago that said that
A big factor in Beane turning down the BoSox was his young daughter was living with his ex in the Oakland area. Not the issue it was. OTOH He has a couple of kids with his second wife who I think are still school age, so moving the family might be a detraction.
OTOOH, he’s 59 and this is probably his last chance if he wants to give it a go with money behind methods.
RE: was it heyman who said their short list is beane/stearns/theo/neander
if so I'm happy whichever way it goes and honestly as crappy as this year went, it probably makes the Porter debacle worth it. Nothing changes an MLB franchise's trajectory more than getting top tier management - especially in combination with an owner willing to spend.
and to all those who want Alderson burned at the stake remember he is the firsthand link with long relationships with most of those mentioned above as well as cohen. there is no more important advisor in any job interview situation than someone with a firsthand review of what it's like to work with someone. if nothing else he is a very healthy and respected conduit to the targets we want. if there is 1 description of his first 2 phases here it's "good soldier". He ate the Madoff shit sandwich and chased it with a shot of porter. hopefully the 3rd time is the charm.
really well said about Sandy. He's one of the most respected baseball men and was not meant to become an acting GM.
MIT undergrad and PhD from Berkeley. Guy understands newer analytics.
BB has done a great job in Oakland. But that does not necessarily translate into another organization, And Sandy has to go. Did a good job his first four years but his last seasons have been dreadful. He is over reliant on
WAR and does not seem to have the math background to grasp newer stats.
been rumored Theo is hoping to become the next Commish or become part of an ownership group either with an expansion Nashville franchise or the Padres (where he began).
Expansion doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but what do I know?
MIT undergrad and PhD from Berkeley. Guy understands newer analytics.
BB has done a great job in Oakland. But that does not necessarily translate into another organization, And Sandy has to go. Did a good job his first four years but his last seasons have been dreadful. He is over reliant on
WAR and does not seem to have the math background to grasp newer stats.
why does Sandy have to go? He's not going to be GM
but if he's going to be higher up, it stands to reason he's going to have a say in whatever the incoming GM does (excluding Beane). If it's a first-timer at GM, he's probably going to shepherding/training wheels. In which case, is that really new ideas/a new voice in the room?
been rumored Theo is hoping to become the next Commish or become part of an ownership group either with an expansion Nashville franchise or the Padres (where he began).
Expansion doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but what do I know?
I obviously don't know Theo Epstein personally but there has to be something to be said for being "the guy" building a franchise from soup to nuts. That's some legacy. He's won 2 rings, to be the owner (obviously he wouldn't own them outright) is something that seems pretty exciting to me.
been rumored Theo is hoping to become the next Commish or become part of an ownership group either with an expansion Nashville franchise or the Padres (where he began).
Expansion doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but what do I know?
I obviously don't know Theo Epstein personally but there has to be something to be said for being "the guy" building a franchise from soup to nuts. That's some legacy. He's won 2 rings, to be the owner (obviously he wouldn't own them outright) is something that seems pretty exciting to me.
Feel like Theo would shake this roster up, so if hired I could imagine a very different team next season.
Also has to be very appealing to have 2 first round draft picks in the top 20 to start your era. IMO this strategy played into why Kumar was not signed.
Only 4% of the team. He'd have to sell but presumably Cohen would pretty easily make it worth his while.
Their year end payroll since 2000 has never ranked higher than 18th, and since 2010 no higher than 23rd. He does more with less and isn't scared to be aggressive (outbid the entire league for Cespedes).
As SNY has reported, longtime Oakland executive Billy Beane is a top target. Appealing to Alderson because of their long history together and intriguing to Cohen because of his reputation as a disrupter and innovator, Beane could be available for a number of reasons, not least among them the Athletics' longtime struggle for a stadium and possible move to Las Vegas.
Some with the Mets also believe that Beane, who has not been as engaged in the day-to-day baseball operations in Oakland in recent years as GM David Forst, would be reinvigorated by the chance to win a championship in New York with the team that once drafted him as a player.
went. Coming to @mets
and building a winner… a nice story narrative wise at least #Mets"
Red Sox sound familiar.
Also, one thing about the A's is with all their success under Beane even with the financial constraints, they have won just one playoff series. Correct?
Not saying Beane wouldn't be an upgrade over most candidates, but I prefer Theo who has actually sealed the deal a couple times.
I was reading today how the Mariners schooled the Mets - unloading their one-hit-wonder closer, plus their 37 year old salary bloated 2B to the Mets for the Mets top prospect and then take the Mets castoff reliever (Paul Sewald) and turning him into an elite closer. Purely based on analytics on Sewald's slider or something like that.
embarrassing and preventable.
and to all those who want Alderson burned at the stake remember he is the firsthand link with long relationships with most of those mentioned above as well as cohen. there is no more important advisor in any job interview situation than someone with a firsthand review of what it's like to work with someone. if nothing else he is a very healthy and respected conduit to the targets we want. if there is 1 description of his first 2 phases here it's "good soldier". He ate the Madoff shit sandwich and chased it with a shot of porter. hopefully the 3rd time is the charm.
this is an interesting thought experiment, im pretty sure I'd choose epstein because he has the big market experience. If theo wants the job I don't think there's anything that would make me hesitate to give it to him.
But give the choice as I mentioned before Epstein has been involved in the two legendary WS titles, one as GM and one as President. Both were big markets, but both also heavily into analytics as well (at least I think CHI was, I know BOS was).
So for that reason and as mentioned he has big market, big payroll experience, so I'd chalk that up as a plus to his side of the ledger.
and to all those who want Alderson burned at the stake remember he is the firsthand link with long relationships with most of those mentioned above as well as cohen. there is no more important advisor in any job interview situation than someone with a firsthand review of what it's like to work with someone. if nothing else he is a very healthy and respected conduit to the targets we want. if there is 1 description of his first 2 phases here it's "good soldier". He ate the Madoff shit sandwich and chased it with a shot of porter. hopefully the 3rd time is the charm.
If you really read or listen to Heyman’s comments it’s clear he’s just naming the obvious candidates and not that he has specific information. “I could see..” “makes sense due to their relationship…” etc. nothing against Heyman but it’s pretty obvious that’s the case
OTOOH, he’s 59 and this is probably his last chance if he wants to give it a go with money behind methods.
and to all those who want Alderson burned at the stake remember he is the firsthand link with long relationships with most of those mentioned above as well as cohen. there is no more important advisor in any job interview situation than someone with a firsthand review of what it's like to work with someone. if nothing else he is a very healthy and respected conduit to the targets we want. if there is 1 description of his first 2 phases here it's "good soldier". He ate the Madoff shit sandwich and chased it with a shot of porter. hopefully the 3rd time is the charm.
really well said about Sandy. He's one of the most respected baseball men and was not meant to become an acting GM.
BB has done a great job in Oakland. But that does not necessarily translate into another organization, And Sandy has to go. Did a good job his first four years but his last seasons have been dreadful. He is over reliant on
WAR and does not seem to have the math background to grasp newer stats.
BB has done a great job in Oakland. But that does not necessarily translate into another organization, And Sandy has to go. Did a good job his first four years but his last seasons have been dreadful. He is over reliant on
WAR and does not seem to have the math background to grasp newer stats.
why does Sandy have to go? He's not going to be GM
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been rumored Theo is hoping to become the next Commish or become part of an ownership group either with an expansion Nashville franchise or the Padres (where he began).
Expansion doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but what do I know?
I obviously don't know Theo Epstein personally but there has to be something to be said for being "the guy" building a franchise from soup to nuts. That's some legacy. He's won 2 rings, to be the owner (obviously he wouldn't own them outright) is something that seems pretty exciting to me.
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been rumored Theo is hoping to become the next Commish or become part of an ownership group either with an expansion Nashville franchise or the Padres (where he began).
Expansion doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but what do I know?
I obviously don't know Theo Epstein personally but there has to be something to be said for being "the guy" building a franchise from soup to nuts. That's some legacy. He's won 2 rings, to be the owner (obviously he wouldn't own them outright) is something that seems pretty exciting to me.
Feel like Theo would shake this roster up, so if hired I could imagine a very different team next season.
Also has to be very appealing to have 2 first round draft picks in the top 20 to start your era. IMO this strategy played into why Kumar was not signed.