“O-linemen are very similar kind of guys: Easy-minded, relaxed personalities,” center Billy Price said. “Most guys dip [tobacco], we all like to drink beer and all of us have pretty good women in our lives.”
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"The Giants will start their 15th different offensive line combination over the last 51 games Sunday against the Falcons. Left guard Ben Bredeson will become the 17th different starter on the line (17!) during those three-plus seasons under general manager Dave Gettleman’s watch."
"The Giants will start their 15th different offensive line combination over the last 51 games Sunday against the Falcons. Left guard Ben Bredeson will become the 17th different starter on the line (17!) during those three-plus seasons under general manager Dave Gettleman’s watch."
It's hard to pin the shuffling between 2020 and 2021 on Gettleman when 2 of their starters are out before week 3. Also weren't everyone pining for more additions to the unit this off-season, which would further add to those numbers?
Continuity was the game plan going into this year but you can't control injuries.
I think it is early on Peart but he hasn't stepped up the way that the Giants wanted him to or expected him to this year up to this point.
The interior line is another story for this season.
- The Giants expected a big improvement by Lemieux in year 2. He has been hurt virtually the entire year and I don't think anyone would be shocked if he missed the rest of the season.
- The Giants did have a backup plan at guard. They signed Zach Fulton who has basically started his entire career. His 2020 was pretty dismal but you would expect that he could hold down the fort if needed. He retired.
- The Giants had another younger player in Kyle Murphy who they thought high enough to promote him to the active roster at the end of last year. I think the expectation was for him to fight for a roster spot and at worst, go back to the practice squad in case injuries hit. He was injured and out for the year.
- After the Fulton retirement, the Giants signed Joe Looney. I think many of us viewed this as a very good aquisition. We have seen first hand solid play from him and he knows Garrett's offense. Many people expected him to challenge for a job. He also retired.
- Nick Gates made the transition to Center last year and played very well the last half of the year. Arguably, he was our best offensive lineman. He got hurt and is out for the year.
Gettleman might die on the hog molly sword for his body of work but there are extenuating circumstances for this year.
When will DG be fired?
It's hard to pin the shuffling between 2020 and 2021 on Gettleman when 2 of their starters are out before week 3. Also weren't everyone pining for more additions to the unit this off-season, which would further add to those numbers?
Continuity was the game plan going into this year but you can't control injuries.
Is it continuity when you're dumpster diving for OL on cut day? So what was DG's "plan" for the OL? They signed Joe Looney less than a week into camp, which tells me they took one look at the backup OL they had in camp, and said "holy shit, these guys suck!"
This is spot on. All the people biching about DG, need to hold the coaches responsible too, because it's clear that DG's works with coaches to get the players they want. Clear as day and I think it's why he's still here. I really think Judge could have had ownership cut bait with him if he wanted to. But I'm sure Judge likes DG because he gets the players he wants.
Personally, I look at this team, and don't think personnel is the issue right now. Coaching is the major issue right now, nothing we are doing is making sense. Add a second corner, let Dalvin walk, and play softer on D? Insisting on running power football with a makeshift OL and back that isn't his strength? And the conservative decision-making that belongs in 1995?
I think a lot of this is speculation. We don't know who liked Jones better, DG talked about falling "full bloom in love" with him at the Senior Bowl, and the scuttlebutt was that Shurmur preferred Lock. Same with Barkley. MAYBE you can pin that one on the Mara's, since they were convinced they could still win with Eli, but I don't see how he was a Shurmur pick.
And the OL is on DG, plain and simple. Vastly overpaid for a cooked Solder, overdrafted Hernandez. AT was a solid, if unspectacular pick, but we're in year 4 for DG, and all he talked about was bringing in "hog mollies". If they're not here, who else is to blame?
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says it all about the woes of this team:
"The Giants will start their 15th different offensive line combination over the last 51 games Sunday against the Falcons. Left guard Ben Bredeson will become the 17th different starter on the line (17!) during those three-plus seasons under general manager Dave Gettleman’s watch."
It's hard to pin the shuffling between 2020 and 2021 on Gettleman when 2 of their starters are out before week 3. Also weren't everyone pining for more additions to the unit this off-season, which would further add to those numbers?
Continuity was the game plan going into this year but you can't control injuries.
True...DG puts All-Pro talent on the field and there's a huge dropoff when they can't get in the lineup! Oh wait...
DG has had 4 years to make this OLine better and it might be worse (especially run blocking) than when he took over. The OLine play is completely on DG!
That the weaknesses of the OL results in the dumpster diving is a fact and it is also a fact that could undermine all the improvements made to the team by signing Golloday and getting Barkley back plus another year of experience for Jones. Yet, there’s rationalizing here for what looks like a complete screwup by the front office.
Peart was always viewed as a lottery ticket (even as a developmental prospect). If anyone was confident he would realize his tremendous potential, he would've been drafted much earlier than the 99th pick. The Giants just happened to be the first team to gamble on him. There's still time for it to pay off, but it should be a surprise to no one that the jury isn't in yet.
And yes wiseass, I mean the Giants!
And yes wiseass, I mean the Giants!
You are absolutely right, at least from the big picture perspective.
Many of us have been down this road before, though, and can see where it leads; They are an injury away from starting practice squad players, we play better coached DL's after this week and its week 3. Injuries are going to happen, teams are going to scheme better against us and we don't have a great track record of adjusting, at least on offense. For me its the lack of seeming forsight on the OL this offseason that is bothersome.