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Great quote from C Billy Price

Modzelewski : 9/22/2021 11:13 am
“O-linemen are very similar kind of guys: Easy-minded, relaxed personalities,” center Billy Price said. “Most guys dip [tobacco], we all like to drink beer and all of us have pretty good women in our lives.”



NY Post “Giants still have the same glaring problem “ - ( New Window )
Doesn’t seem very giants like imo  
rdt288 : 9/22/2021 11:17 am : link
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This  
AcidTest : 9/22/2021 11:25 am : link
says it all about the woes of this team:

"The Giants will start their 15th different offensive line combination over the last 51 games Sunday against the Falcons. Left guard Ben Bredeson will become the 17th different starter on the line (17!) during those three-plus seasons under general manager Dave Gettleman’s watch."
His  
Les in TO : 9/22/2021 11:29 am : link
Quote is not consistent with the depiction of offensive linemen by David Molk who wrote NFL Confidential. In that book the linemen were very much different in terms of personality types, hobbies, interests, girlfriends/spouses etc
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bLiTz 2k : 9/22/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15379311 AcidTest said:
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says it all about the woes of this team:

"The Giants will start their 15th different offensive line combination over the last 51 games Sunday against the Falcons. Left guard Ben Bredeson will become the 17th different starter on the line (17!) during those three-plus seasons under general manager Dave Gettleman’s watch."


It's hard to pin the shuffling between 2020 and 2021 on Gettleman when 2 of their starters are out before week 3. Also weren't everyone pining for more additions to the unit this off-season, which would further add to those numbers?

Continuity was the game plan going into this year but you can't control injuries.
RE: His  
Big Al : 9/22/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15379314 Les in TO said:
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Quote is not consistent with the depiction of offensive linemen by David Molk who wrote NFL Confidential. In that book the linemen were very much different in terms of personality types, hobbies, interests, girlfriends/spouses etc
Richie Incognito
That sort of is the opposite of what I'd expect  
Bear vs Shark : 9/22/2021 11:42 am : link
Easy going doesn't sound like a hog mollie
Rdt288  
Modzelewski : 9/22/2021 11:54 am : link
You’re right— it’s a throw back player quote, like something Billy Shaw or Don Meredith would say.
Blitz  
SLIM_ : 9/22/2021 12:09 pm : link
Great point and this has escaped many. Gettleman has NOT fixed the line. From his body of work, this is a failure.

I think it is early on Peart but he hasn't stepped up the way that the Giants wanted him to or expected him to this year up to this point.

The interior line is another story for this season.

- The Giants expected a big improvement by Lemieux in year 2. He has been hurt virtually the entire year and I don't think anyone would be shocked if he missed the rest of the season.
- The Giants did have a backup plan at guard. They signed Zach Fulton who has basically started his entire career. His 2020 was pretty dismal but you would expect that he could hold down the fort if needed. He retired.
- The Giants had another younger player in Kyle Murphy who they thought high enough to promote him to the active roster at the end of last year. I think the expectation was for him to fight for a roster spot and at worst, go back to the practice squad in case injuries hit. He was injured and out for the year.
- After the Fulton retirement, the Giants signed Joe Looney. I think many of us viewed this as a very good aquisition. We have seen first hand solid play from him and he knows Garrett's offense. Many people expected him to challenge for a job. He also retired.
- Nick Gates made the transition to Center last year and played very well the last half of the year. Arguably, he was our best offensive lineman. He got hurt and is out for the year.

Gettleman might die on the hog molly sword for his body of work but there are extenuating circumstances for this year.
Gettleman sucks  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/22/2021 12:26 pm : link
He has had several years to improve this problem, and it sounds like he has some "good ole boys" on the OL, but definitely not mean hog mollies like he promised.
When will DG be fired?
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Section331 : 9/22/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15379320 bLiTz 2k said:
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It's hard to pin the shuffling between 2020 and 2021 on Gettleman when 2 of their starters are out before week 3. Also weren't everyone pining for more additions to the unit this off-season, which would further add to those numbers?

Continuity was the game plan going into this year but you can't control injuries.


Is it continuity when you're dumpster diving for OL on cut day? So what was DG's "plan" for the OL? They signed Joe Looney less than a week into camp, which tells me they took one look at the backup OL they had in camp, and said "holy shit, these guys suck!"
This isn't just on Gettleman.  
Since1965 : 9/22/2021 12:55 pm : link
Gettleman has consistently obtained specific players and types of players that his coaches want. Shurmur wanted Jones, as he was seen as a fit for the offensive scheme. (That proved to be true). He got Bettcher almost every former Arizona defender who was available. He has gotten Judge a ton of guys for special teams, his type of players, etc. Judge, the coaches and the scouting department have all played a role in who is here and who isn't. If Judge told Gettleman to draft for the OL, to sign free agent OL, he would have done it, as that has been the way he has operated here. My guess is that the staff and Gettleman felt that the guys they had could be coached up and that they'd be fine on the line. That's flawed thinking to believe that all of them would become solid. And now another year of suffering and delayed development of Jones because of it.
RE: This isn't just on Gettleman.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/22/2021 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15379404 Since1965 said:
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Gettleman has consistently obtained specific players and types of players that his coaches want. Shurmur wanted Jones, as he was seen as a fit for the offensive scheme. (That proved to be true). He got Bettcher almost every former Arizona defender who was available. He has gotten Judge a ton of guys for special teams, his type of players, etc. Judge, the coaches and the scouting department have all played a role in who is here and who isn't. If Judge told Gettleman to draft for the OL, to sign free agent OL, he would have done it, as that has been the way he has operated here. My guess is that the staff and Gettleman felt that the guys they had could be coached up and that they'd be fine on the line. That's flawed thinking to believe that all of them would become solid. And now another year of suffering and delayed development of Jones because of it.


This is spot on. All the people biching about DG, need to hold the coaches responsible too, because it's clear that DG's works with coaches to get the players they want. Clear as day and I think it's why he's still here. I really think Judge could have had ownership cut bait with him if he wanted to. But I'm sure Judge likes DG because he gets the players he wants.

Personally, I look at this team, and don't think personnel is the issue right now. Coaching is the major issue right now, nothing we are doing is making sense. Add a second corner, let Dalvin walk, and play softer on D? Insisting on running power football with a makeshift OL and back that isn't his strength? And the conservative decision-making that belongs in 1995?
RE: This isn't just on Gettleman.  
Section331 : 9/22/2021 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15379404 Since1965 said:
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Gettleman has consistently obtained specific players and types of players that his coaches want. Shurmur wanted Jones, as he was seen as a fit for the offensive scheme. (That proved to be true). He got Bettcher almost every former Arizona defender who was available. He has gotten Judge a ton of guys for special teams, his type of players, etc. Judge, the coaches and the scouting department have all played a role in who is here and who isn't. If Judge told Gettleman to draft for the OL, to sign free agent OL, he would have done it, as that has been the way he has operated here. My guess is that the staff and Gettleman felt that the guys they had could be coached up and that they'd be fine on the line. That's flawed thinking to believe that all of them would become solid. And now another year of suffering and delayed development of Jones because of it.


I think a lot of this is speculation. We don't know who liked Jones better, DG talked about falling "full bloom in love" with him at the Senior Bowl, and the scuttlebutt was that Shurmur preferred Lock. Same with Barkley. MAYBE you can pin that one on the Mara's, since they were convinced they could still win with Eli, but I don't see how he was a Shurmur pick.

And the OL is on DG, plain and simple. Vastly overpaid for a cooked Solder, overdrafted Hernandez. AT was a solid, if unspectacular pick, but we're in year 4 for DG, and all he talked about was bringing in "hog mollies". If they're not here, who else is to blame?
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GMen72 : 9/22/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15379320 bLiTz 2k said:
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In comment 15379311 AcidTest said:


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says it all about the woes of this team:

"The Giants will start their 15th different offensive line combination over the last 51 games Sunday against the Falcons. Left guard Ben Bredeson will become the 17th different starter on the line (17!) during those three-plus seasons under general manager Dave Gettleman’s watch."



It's hard to pin the shuffling between 2020 and 2021 on Gettleman when 2 of their starters are out before week 3. Also weren't everyone pining for more additions to the unit this off-season, which would further add to those numbers?

Continuity was the game plan going into this year but you can't control injuries.


True...DG puts All-Pro talent on the field and there's a huge dropoff when they can't get in the lineup! Oh wait...

DG has had 4 years to make this OLine better and it might be worse (especially run blocking) than when he took over. The OLine play is completely on DG!
These Gettleman Excuses  
Samiam : 9/22/2021 4:01 pm : link
I love these excuses for why we don’t have even a decent OL much less a a good one. Zack Fulton was one of the worst guards who played last year (as was Lemioux and Hernandez). To expect him to come in and contribute is pure wishful thinking. Solder was one of the worst tackles who played 2 years ago. To expect a guy at his age to sit out a year where he admitted he couldn’t really work out and play a position he hadn’t played in over a decade is pure wishful thinking. And, to expect none of the starters to not get hurt and miss time when your primary backups are Wiggins, Slade, etc is more than wishful thinking.

That the weaknesses of the OL results in the dumpster diving is a fact and it is also a fact that could undermine all the improvements made to the team by signing Golloday and getting Barkley back plus another year of experience for Jones. Yet, there’s rationalizing here for what looks like a complete screwup by the front office.
RE: Blitz  
Milton : 9/22/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15379365 SLIM_ said:
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I think it is early on Peart but he hasn't stepped up the way that the Giants wanted him to or expected him to this year up to this point.
Peart was a three-year project when they drafted him (and it didn't help that his rookie training camp consisted of limited practices and no preseason games). I said this when they drafted him so it doesn't surprise me that he couldn't beat out a savvy vet like Solder for the starting job in year two. And I think the Giants knew this when they drafted him with a 3rd round comp pick (a prospect with Peart's measurables doesn't fall that far in the draft without the league as a whole considering him developmental at best). To say they "expected" him to step up this year is pure speculation on your part based more on your own expectations than that of Big Blue management.

Peart was always viewed as a lottery ticket (even as a developmental prospect). If anyone was confident he would realize his tremendous potential, he would've been drafted much earlier than the 99th pick. The Giants just happened to be the first team to gamble on him. There's still time for it to pay off, but it should be a surprise to no one that the jury isn't in yet.
Did I miss something?  
csh2z : 9/22/2021 6:15 pm : link
I've been reading all week that the O-line looked pretty good. It's the defense that caused us the loss in both games this season. If the defense does come around, I think we will have a damn good football team to root for.

And yes wiseass, I mean the Giants!
RE: Did I miss something?  
Dinger : 9/23/2021 9:22 am : link
In comment 15379718 csh2z said:
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I've been reading all week that the O-line looked pretty good. It's the defense that caused us the loss in both games this season. If the defense does come around, I think we will have a damn good football team to root for.

And yes wiseass, I mean the Giants!

You are absolutely right, at least from the big picture perspective.
Many of us have been down this road before, though, and can see where it leads; They are an injury away from starting practice squad players, we play better coached DL's after this week and its week 3. Injuries are going to happen, teams are going to scheme better against us and we don't have a great track record of adjusting, at least on offense. For me its the lack of seeming forsight on the OL this offseason that is bothersome.
It's an interesting debate...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/23/2021 9:39 am : link
where do we invest limited resources? Exceptional 3-4 defenses usually have stud linebackers. We try to make do with less and invest in the secondary. Exceptional offenses usually have stud OL. We try to make do with less and invest (overload?) in skill position players.
RE: RE: Did I miss something?  
Milton : 9/23/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15380063 Dinger said:
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Injuries are going to happen, teams are going to scheme better against us and we don't have a great track record of adjusting, at least on offense. For me its the lack of seeming forsight on the OL this offseason that is bothersome.
Huh? Injuries are gonna happen? Injuries happened! Credit Gettleman for not only finding both Price and Bredeson after Lemieux's injury and Fulton's retirement. It was costly and some might've argued at the time that either/or would've been sufficient, but after Gates's injury, Gettleman's hard work paid off. How many starting quality backups do you expect a team to have? No team is well-prepared to deal with a run on injuries at a given position just two weeks into the season. To expect that kind of foresight is asking a bit much!
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