Daniel Jones after two weeks is a fantasy star
Daniel Jones has the fifth or eight most (depending upon the ranting system) fantasy points among all players. He is fifth in leagues that do not discount for turnovers and eight if you include negative stats .
These stats are significant improvements over past years
Last year DJ ended with a pedestrian 83rd amount of points
What makes his accomplishment more impressive is that if you add the TD that was called back due to questionable holding and you add the dropped catch by Slayton, Jones would be the top fantasy performer
Murray has a ridiculous 66.66 points Jones has 50.84, however, if you add the lost points Jones would be Jones would be at
+/- 68
Fantasy points are based on default NFL-Managed scoring.
1 Kyler Murray QB - ARI
- - 66.66
2 Cooper Kupp WR - LA
- - 60.60
3 Derrick Henry RB - TEN
- - 58.40
4 Tyler Lockett WR - SEA
- - 57.80
5 Patrick Mahomes QB - KC
- - 57.30
6 Tom Brady QB - TB
- 56.80
7 Christian McCaffrey RB - CAR
- - 52.40
8 Daniel Jones QB - NYG
- 50.84
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Why is this significant? There is a direct correlation between Fantasy Points and a player’s significance.
If you look at the players in the top eight, they are all stars and the best at their positions.
If Jones can continue to play at this level, he will be what the Giants hoped.
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He is 9th in Total QBR so net net he’s off to a good start.
Let's see Jones put up another big day against a pretty bad team. Go out there and light up the birds on Eli's day. Then we can talk.
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It's a team game. Jones played well enough to be 1-1. The D has got to get it's shit together, fast.
or at least a drop or two to kill a drive or 2.
That’s why I’m absolutely bullish on the guy. The type of adversity he’s seen in his post HS career is unreal. People are going to have to come around sooner or later. Of course Eli had his haters still after two SB wins so who knows.
Bad job by the OP overstating the reality.
Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.
It’s already starting
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think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.
Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.
Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.
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In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said:
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think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.
Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.
Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.
He is not better than Stafford.
But on paper, the defenses we've played are definitely better than the average we'll see the rest of the year. That's what's impressive. It's hard not seeing him keeping it up, unless Andrew Thomas gets hurt. That could completely sink the offense at this point.
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In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said:
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think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.
Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.
Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.
He is not better than Stafford.
Or Ben really at the current moment. Ben wasn’t good last year and still threw for 33-10
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In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said:
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think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.
Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.
Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.
Last season Jones wasn't better than any of them.
This season, you think Jones is better than Stafford? Are you mental?
He only threw the ball 160 more times than Jones and had 3 times the amount of touchdowns and the same amount of interceptions
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throw the ball a billion times.
He only threw the ball 160 more times than Jones and had 3 times the amount of touchdowns and the same amount of interceptions
Was DJ throwing to the same pass catchers that Ben was? The lines were probably a wash, but they could actually pass block and ours was the opposite. And 160 times more is a ton, what fucking world do you live in. That's 10 more attempts per game. Dude you are unreal in your hatred of the guy. We get it, you never liked the pick, and NOTHING he will do will ever sway your opinion.
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In comment 15380329 Zeke's Alibi said:
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throw the ball a billion times.
He only threw the ball 160 more times than Jones and had 3 times the amount of touchdowns and the same amount of interceptions
Was DJ throwing to the same pass catchers that Ben was? The lines were probably a wash, but they could actually pass block and ours was the opposite. And 160 times more is a ton, what fucking world do you live in. That's 10 more attempts per game. Dude you are unreal in your hatred of the guy. We get it, you never liked the pick, and NOTHING he will do will ever sway your opinion.
160 times is not 3x the amount of that passes. What about the interceptions?
The only one who is unreal here is you. If their contracts are the same you think the Steelers are taking Jones over Ben for this season? Get fucking real.
I think he went undrafted this year (different league though)
Proclaiming a fantasy star after two games is a bit premature
“Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct.
If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it.
But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre
Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.
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0-2.
“Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct.
If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it.
But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre
Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.
Eli can wear a SB ring on both middle fingers, but there's a reason why he gets dumped on by many outside (and inside too) of Giants fandom
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“Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct.
If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it.
But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre
Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.
If record is all that matters, I guess Archie Manning was a pretty bad quarterback then. And Mike Trout should have zero MVPs.
DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks
DJ in the past was below average
So we are seeing a significant improvement
The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football
If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football
If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players
I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others
The top players in fantasy football hew closely to the top players in the league.
DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks
DJ in the past was below average
So we are seeing a significant improvement
The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football
If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football
If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players
I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others
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To clarify my post
DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks
DJ in the past was below average
So we are seeing a significant improvement
The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football
If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football
If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players
I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others
yes
Below average as a rookie? Not really. He had one negative stat his rookie year, fumbles, while routinely getting crushed because of a terrible offensive line.
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To clarify my post
DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks
DJ in the past was below average
So we are seeing a significant improvement
The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football
If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football
If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players
I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others
yes
Below average as a rookie? Not really. He had one negative stat his rookie year, fumbles, while routinely getting crushed because of a terrible offensive line.
Is Daniel Jones responsible for anything?? I swear every negative Jones trait is someone else’s fault. Doesn’t process fast enough, that’s Jason Garret’s fault. Throws an interception, WRs fault. Fumbles, the olines fault.
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0-2.
“Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct.
If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it.
But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre
Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.
Eli can wear a SB ring on both middle fingers, but there's a reason why he gets dumped on by many outside (and inside too) of Giants fandom
Very true. Its called stupidity
Until Jones puts together a full season where there’s more games like Washington than not, the past absolutely means something how does it not?
Lol, man that Rodgers statement. You are a very unserious person. Maybe Rodgers would only throw 27 TDS (way more than 12 or whatever Jones threw last year) but he’d also do it with like 4 interceptions and minimal fumbles.
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In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said:
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think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.
Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.
Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.
He is not better than Stafford.
Better than Stafford! I must have a much higher opinion of Stafford than you. There s only a handful of quarterbacks I d take over him
Not me, always have been a fan of his.
If it's an attempt to proclaim Jones is one of the better QBs in the league, it's a completely ridiculous take. Directly following Jones' place on this list is Jalen Hurst. Both of them have produced more fantasy points than Wilson, Herbert, Lamar, Rodgers, Josh Allen, Dak among others. That's because Jones has rushed for over 100 yards. That's fantasy gold for a QB.
Anyone would have a very difficult time arguing that Jones is better than any of those guys.
Bad job by the OP overstating the reality.
Earlier in this thread you asked someone "are you mental?" The reality is you have a serious mental problem. You really need a therapist.
Today, Jones is ranked the #4 QB in ESPN fantasy rankings where the QB gets 4 points for a TD pass... which is the majority of the leagues. He is #5 in Yahoo. You are looking at where he may be pre-ranked for week 3.
So, why you feel the need to lie or twist the story to say he is 12th really shows that you have some very serious mental issues related to Daniel Jones.
All you needed to say is that through just two weeks he is ranked high but there is no way he will stay anywhere near #4 by the end of the season. OR.. that the only reason why he is at #4 is because a few other QBs shit the bed through 2 weeks and they will soon pass him. If you said that, nobody could argue with you.
However, the fact that you cannot simply admit that through just two weeks he happens to find himself near that top just shows what kind of a serious problem you have.
So what you are saying is the situation that a QB finds himself in has a direct correlation to his performance on the field? Interesting...
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Daniel Jones is not a fantasy star. Far from it. He is not just entering the conversation as a fantasy starter. he is around the #12 QB on most fantasy rankings. That's not a star.
Bad job by the OP overstating the reality.
Earlier in this thread you asked someone "are you mental?" The reality is you have a serious mental problem. You really need a therapist.
Today, Jones is ranked the #4 QB in ESPN fantasy rankings where the QB gets 4 points for a TD pass... which is the majority of the leagues. He is #5 in Yahoo. You are looking at where he may be pre-ranked for week 3.
So, why you feel the need to lie or twist the story to say he is 12th really shows that you have some very serious mental issues related to Daniel Jones.
All you needed to say is that through just two weeks he is ranked high but there is no way he will stay anywhere near #4 by the end of the season. OR.. that the only reason why he is at #4 is because a few other QBs shit the bed through 2 weeks and they will soon pass him. If you said that, nobody could argue with you.
However, the fact that you cannot simply admit that through just two weeks he happens to find himself near that top just shows what kind of a serious problem you have.
I am sorry to have offended you so. I shouldn't have been so blunt and aggressive. And I apologize if you are offended by it. I was joking rather than saying Zeke was actually "mental". And it was a bad joke.
But I think my point was obvious. Yes Jones is statistically better than a lot of great QBs now, because of small sample size, but we can't consider him better than those established performers until he does it over a sustained period of time. Sorry I was so imprecise with my language and that it upset you.
There aren't many "great" QBs playing in the game today.
Nothing offends me.