Daniel Jones is a fantasy star and that is significant

bc the national media caters to Casual football fans and professional gamblers. If Jones comes through for those two groups, the media will back off and give him breathing room.

I am old as shit now, hate fantasy, PFF and advanced stats. Different metrics that move in the same direction, early that it is, foreshadows good things and usual precedes changes in results, narratives and perceptions. I hope Danny can maintain this momentum.

so get ready for a big Barkely game this sunday lol

Jones had an inconsistent first game and a very solid second game where he pulled off some long runs to pad the fantasy numbers.

He is 9th in Total QBR so net net he’s off to a good start.

put 2 games together or string big time performances together. in 2019 he had that great first game, then sort of was OK in that next game (NYG "ugly" win against WASH) and then he reverted back to the struggles. 2020 he had a few good games second half, but wasn't really prolific in any of them, merely efficient.

Let's see Jones put up another big day against a pretty bad team. Go out there and light up the birds on Eli's day. Then we can talk.

think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.

look for some interceptions in week 3.

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In comment 15380177 NoPeanutz said:

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look for some interceptions in week 3.

lol

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It's a team game. Jones played well enough to be 1-1. The D has got to get it's shit together, fast.

In comment 15380177 NoPeanutz said:

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look for some interceptions in week 3.

or at least a drop or two to kill a drive or 2.

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The kid had 10 picks last year. 6 were at EE, a few directly off his hands. This year, EE misses two games with an injury, and the kid looks like Captain Ballsecurity.

are going to have to recognize Dan Jones is a stud QB.. Cant wait to see what happens when D can start keeping us in games and he gets a little running game going too. He seems to really have a good tough mental makeup and man can he throw it down the field.

I figure at home vs the ATL is as good a setup as he can get.

In comment 15380292 TheBlueprintNC said:

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are going to have to recognize Dan Jones is a stud QB.. Cant wait to see what happens when D can start keeping us in games and he gets a little running game going too. He seems to really have a good tough mental makeup and man can he throw it down the field.

That’s why I’m absolutely bullish on the guy. The type of adversity he’s seen in his post HS career is unreal. People are going to have to come around sooner or later. Of course Eli had his haters still after two SB wins so who knows.

Daniel Jones is not a fantasy star. Far from it. He is not just entering the conversation as a fantasy starter. he is around the #12 QB on most fantasy rankings. That's not a star.

Bad job by the OP overstating the reality.

In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said:

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think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly.

Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.

…But as producer said his numbers are not yet where the OP suggests.

The Giants have done him dirty

It’s already starting

In comment 15380300 Producer said:

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In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly. Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value.

Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.

He's 5th amongst QB's and top 10 overall. That's a fantasy star, IMO. That beind said, its 2 games. There have been a lot of bad players(mostly QB's) that do it over two games. Jones' running ability and the Giants designing more runs for him is the reason he should stay relevant for fantasy purposes, but it's still only 2 games.

did you just say Jones is infinitely better than Stafford?

In comment 15380312 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15380300 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly. Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value. Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.

He is not better than Stafford.

In comment 15380313 Kmed6000 said:

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He's 5th amongst QB's and top 10 overall. That's a fantasy star, IMO. That beind said, its 2 games. There have been a lot of bad players(mostly QB's) that do it over two games. Jones' running ability and the Giants designing more runs for him is the reason he should stay relevant for fantasy purposes, but it's still only 2 games.

But on paper, the defenses we've played are definitely better than the average we'll see the rest of the year. That's what's impressive. It's hard not seeing him keeping it up, unless Andrew Thomas gets hurt. That could completely sink the offense at this point.

In comment 15380319 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15380312 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: In comment 15380300 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly. Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value. Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't. He is not better than Stafford.

Or Ben really at the current moment. Ben wasn’t good last year and still threw for 33-10

In comment 15380312 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15380300 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly. Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value. Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't.

Last season Jones wasn't better than any of them.

This season, you think Jones is better than Stafford? Are you mental?

Both them are completely washed and were last year. Yet they put up similar fantasy stats to Stafford.

that makes more sense lol

throw the ball a billion times.

In comment 15380329 Zeke's Alibi said:

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throw the ball a billion times.

He only threw the ball 160 more times than Jones and had 3 times the amount of touchdowns and the same amount of interceptions

When receivers catch the ball they know how to run with it.

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In comment 15380329 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: throw the ball a billion times. He only threw the ball 160 more times than Jones and had 3 times the amount of touchdowns and the same amount of interceptions

Was DJ throwing to the same pass catchers that Ben was? The lines were probably a wash, but they could actually pass block and ours was the opposite. And 160 times more is a ton, what fucking world do you live in. That's 10 more attempts per game. Dude you are unreal in your hatred of the guy. We get it, you never liked the pick, and NOTHING he will do will ever sway your opinion.

In comment 15380340 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15380331 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15380329 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: throw the ball a billion times. He only threw the ball 160 more times than Jones and had 3 times the amount of touchdowns and the same amount of interceptions Was DJ throwing to the same pass catchers that Ben was? The lines were probably a wash, but they could actually pass block and ours was the opposite. And 160 times more is a ton, what fucking world do you live in. That's 10 more attempts per game. Dude you are unreal in your hatred of the guy. We get it, you never liked the pick, and NOTHING he will do will ever sway your opinion.

160 times is not 3x the amount of that passes. What about the interceptions?

The only one who is unreal here is you. If their contracts are the same you think the Steelers are taking Jones over Ben for this season? Get fucking real.

Goff as qb1 the year he took the Rams to the SB. Good fantasy year for me.

I think he went undrafted this year (different league though)

Proclaiming a fantasy star after two games is a bit premature

Needs the same caliber of weapons to match an ok season by a 40 year old washed Big Ben with arm problems, than he’s not the guy.

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“Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct.

If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it.

But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre

Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.

In comment 15380372 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15380277 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: 0-2. “Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct. If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it. But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.

Eli can wear a SB ring on both middle fingers, but there's a reason why he gets dumped on by many outside (and inside too) of Giants fandom

In comment 15380372 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15380277 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: 0-2. “Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct. If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it. But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to.

If record is all that matters, I guess Archie Manning was a pretty bad quarterback then. And Mike Trout should have zero MVPs.

To clarify my post

DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks
DJ in the past was below average
So we are seeing a significant improvement

The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football
If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football

If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players
I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others

It is the best 7 QBs in the league (by season's end) plus one running QB who happened to rush for a lot of yards that year.

The top players in fantasy football hew closely to the top players in the league.

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To clarify my post DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks DJ in the past was below average So we are seeing a significant improvement The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others

yes

In comment 15380416 Producer said:

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In comment 15380413 Archer said: Quote: To clarify my post DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks DJ in the past was below average So we are seeing a significant improvement The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others yes

Below average as a rookie? Not really. He had one negative stat his rookie year, fumbles, while routinely getting crushed because of a terrible offensive line.

In comment 15380424 k2tampa said:

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In comment 15380416 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15380413 Archer said: Quote: To clarify my post DJ is a fantasy star through two weeks DJ in the past was below average So we are seeing a significant improvement The top fantasy performers are the best offensive players in football If you look at the list of the top fantasy performers it is a Whos Who in football If Jones continues at this level he will have to be in the same conversation as other top players I am not comparing Jones to other QBs I will leave that to others yes Below average as a rookie? Not really. He had one negative stat his rookie year, fumbles, while routinely getting crushed because of a terrible offensive line.

Is Daniel Jones responsible for anything?? I swear every negative Jones trait is someone else’s fault. Doesn’t process fast enough, that’s Jason Garret’s fault. Throws an interception, WRs fault. Fumbles, the olines fault.

what to tell you. It's much better this year, but certainly nothing to write home about and so far he's put up solid numbers against one of the best defenses in the NFL and a solid one. Keep pointing to the past, it means diddly shit. Just like pointing to turnovers he made his rookie year. Nobody points to Allen's completion percentage his rookie year and still proclaims he can't hit the broad side of the barn. Players matter, schemes matter, these things all matter. And it's very hard to separate the noise from whats going on, but so far we've given him an okay at best situation and he's thriving. The offense was so fucking pitiful last year and it had little to do with Jones. Put Rogers on it and he's throwing about 20 some odd TDs and he's the best QB in the game.

But it don't put wins on the schedule.

In comment 15380378 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15380372 joeinpa said: Quote: In comment 15380277 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: 0-2. “Only thing that matters is 0-2, “where the team is concerned you are correct. If you are saying that s the only measure of Daniel, ok, I get it, don’t agree but I get it. But I m asking, is Eli measured by the same absolute terms? If so, a 500 winning percentage is pretty mediocre Is that how you evaluate Eli, mediocre? As a matter of consistency I think you would have to. Eli can wear a SB ring on both middle fingers, but there's a reason why he gets dumped on by many outside (and inside too) of Giants fandom

Very true. Its called stupidity

In comment 15380433 Zeke's Alibi said:

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what to tell you. It's much better this year, but certainly nothing to write home about and so far he's put up solid numbers against one of the best defenses in the NFL and a solid one. Keep pointing to the past, it means diddly shit. Just like pointing to turnovers he made his rookie year. Nobody points to Allen's completion percentage his rookie year and still proclaims he can't hit the broad side of the barn. Players matter, schemes matter, these things all matter. And it's very hard to separate the noise from whats going on, but so far we've given him an okay at best situation and he's thriving. The offense was so fucking pitiful last year and it had little to do with Jones. Put Rogers on it and he's throwing about 20 some odd TDs and he's the best QB in the game.

Until Jones puts together a full season where there’s more games like Washington than not, the past absolutely means something how does it not?

Lol, man that Rodgers statement. You are a very unserious person. Maybe Rodgers would only throw 27 TDS (way more than 12 or whatever Jones threw last year) but he’d also do it with like 4 interceptions and minimal fumbles.

In comment 15380319 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15380312 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: In comment 15380300 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15380171 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: think fantasy is an accurate portrait of a players worth that the narrative will start to change. He’s done all this against an excellent defense and a solid one. This week he should put up at least another 30 pt effort. Although I could def see this being Saquons breakout game IF we use him correctly. Fantasy value does pretty much correlate with actual NFL value. Running QBs get bumped a bit too much, for sure, but otherwise if you look at fantasy ranks you are pretty close to rankings on actual value. Bullshit. Big Ben was 14 last year, Stafford 15, and Cam 16 and he's infinitely better than both those at this point. Fantasy is just like stats, it's team dependant. Stafford just had a bunch of picks given up for him and Cam can't even find a job. So unless you think the NFL is completely clueless, they don't. He is not better than Stafford.

Better than Stafford! I must have a much higher opinion of Stafford than you. There s only a handful of quarterbacks I d take over him

21% started on CBS.

is much, much better than his contemporaries in the fantasy world. He’s one of the most underrated QBs in my lifetime, but I find it funny that’s all dissipating now he’s on the Rams and apparently everyone was always a big believer in him. That’s total bullshit, I’d say half the fans in NFL constantly ragged on the guy for the great misfortune of playing for the Lions.

In comment 15380509 Zeke's Alibi said:

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is much, much better than his contemporaries in the fantasy world. He’s one of the most underrated QBs in my lifetime, but I find it funny that’s all dissipating now he’s on the Rams and apparently everyone was always a big believer in him. That’s total bullshit, I’d say half the fans in NFL constantly ragged on the guy for the great misfortune of playing for the Lions.

Not me, always have been a fan of his.

If it means some NFL fans will have a better will have a higher opinion of Jones, the OP is correct.

If it's an attempt to proclaim Jones is one of the better QBs in the league, it's a completely ridiculous take. Directly following Jones' place on this list is Jalen Hurst. Both of them have produced more fantasy points than Wilson, Herbert, Lamar, Rodgers, Josh Allen, Dak among others. That's because Jones has rushed for over 100 yards. That's fantasy gold for a QB.

Anyone would have a very difficult time arguing that Jones is better than any of those guys.

In my auction draft league and he single handily won me last weeks matchup. I have been pleas try surprised.

In comment 15380299 Producer said:

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Daniel Jones is not a fantasy star. Far from it. He is not just entering the conversation as a fantasy starter. he is around the #12 QB on most fantasy rankings. That's not a star. Bad job by the OP overstating the reality.

Earlier in this thread you asked someone "are you mental?" The reality is you have a serious mental problem. You really need a therapist.

Today, Jones is ranked the #4 QB in ESPN fantasy rankings where the QB gets 4 points for a TD pass... which is the majority of the leagues. He is #5 in Yahoo. You are looking at where he may be pre-ranked for week 3.

So, why you feel the need to lie or twist the story to say he is 12th really shows that you have some very serious mental issues related to Daniel Jones.

All you needed to say is that through just two weeks he is ranked high but there is no way he will stay anywhere near #4 by the end of the season. OR.. that the only reason why he is at #4 is because a few other QBs shit the bed through 2 weeks and they will soon pass him. If you said that, nobody could argue with you.

However, the fact that you cannot simply admit that through just two weeks he happens to find himself near that top just shows what kind of a serious problem you have.

In comment 15380509 Zeke's Alibi said:

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is much, much better than his contemporaries in the fantasy world. He’s one of the most underrated QBs in my lifetime, but I find it funny that’s all dissipating now he’s on the Rams and apparently everyone was always a big believer in him. That’s total bullshit, I’d say half the fans in NFL constantly ragged on the guy for the great misfortune of playing for the Lions.

So what you are saying is the situation that a QB finds himself in has a direct correlation to his performance on the field? Interesting...

In comment 15380630 EricJ said:

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In comment 15380299 Producer said: Quote: Daniel Jones is not a fantasy star. Far from it. He is not just entering the conversation as a fantasy starter. he is around the #12 QB on most fantasy rankings. That's not a star. Bad job by the OP overstating the reality. Earlier in this thread you asked someone "are you mental?" The reality is you have a serious mental problem. You really need a therapist. Today, Jones is ranked the #4 QB in ESPN fantasy rankings where the QB gets 4 points for a TD pass... which is the majority of the leagues. He is #5 in Yahoo. You are looking at where he may be pre-ranked for week 3. So, why you feel the need to lie or twist the story to say he is 12th really shows that you have some very serious mental issues related to Daniel Jones. All you needed to say is that through just two weeks he is ranked high but there is no way he will stay anywhere near #4 by the end of the season. OR.. that the only reason why he is at #4 is because a few other QBs shit the bed through 2 weeks and they will soon pass him. If you said that, nobody could argue with you. However, the fact that you cannot simply admit that through just two weeks he happens to find himself near that top just shows what kind of a serious problem you have.

I am sorry to have offended you so. I shouldn't have been so blunt and aggressive. And I apologize if you are offended by it. I was joking rather than saying Zeke was actually "mental". And it was a bad joke.

But I think my point was obvious. Yes Jones is statistically better than a lot of great QBs now, because of small sample size, but we can't consider him better than those established performers until he does it over a sustained period of time. Sorry I was so imprecise with my language and that it upset you.

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Yes Jones is statistically better than a lot of great QBs now,

There aren't many "great" QBs playing in the game today.

Nothing offends me.