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Does this game feel different?

Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/23/2021 11:19 am
I feel like due to a lot of different factors, this game is particularly meaningful when it comes to the organization's outlook. We've had "must-win" early season games over the years, which we typically lose, we even had some "must-win" games later on last year due to the ineptness of the NFC East.

But the vibe I get for this game just doesn't feel like the usual "must-win to keep the season alive" game. It really feels like the entire organizational structure is on the hot seat, from the Owner to the GM to the Head Coach to the QB to the RB to the Defensive Coordinator to the rookie 1st round draft pick, etc. This feels like a "must win to keep the franchise from crumbling" type of game.

The Falcons are the worst team in football right now, their organization has had their own issues over the last handful of years. The Giants are simply a better team than them and should take care of business to get back into the 2021 divisional race.

We've been bad for so long that I'm pretty much expecting the worst. But if we can't beat the Falcons this week, the backlash on here and in the media would be insane. I can only imagine what a shitshow this place would be on Monday if we lost and Jones/Barkley played poorly with Toney doing nothing and the defense playing poorly again.

I've felt down about this Franchise plenty over recent years, but thinking about the fallout of a loss this weekend just makes me feel uncomfortable and sick. I can't really remember feeling this specific type of way about a game before.

We better win.
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Should we win this game?  
Koffman : 9/23/2021 3:39 pm : link
Probably, but what good is winning this game if it is thrown in with another win or two, and by years-end we are a four or five win team again. We fire somebody, Mara hires another loser and we repeat the process. We have been mired in mediocrity for the past 10 years. It's time the front office realized it. Realize it and do something about it, including stepping aside or hiring competent people to run the organization. Clearing the payroll of nepotism would be a good start.
I'm at the point  
The Jake : 9/23/2021 3:45 pm : link
where I expect to lose every game. The Falcons may be shitty, but we're shittier.

The organization hasn't given us any reason to be optimistic in the face of all of this evidence of mismanagement, so being optimistic only further enables their incompetence and feeds into the mentality of "we could turn it around."

We're not close. We need to clean house first.
RE: Following Osi’s comment, a 1-7 or 2-8 record  
The Jake : 9/23/2021 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15380520 cosmicj said:
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eliminated the justification for NOT trading Barkley. He almost has to be shipped out at that point.


Yeah, but he's touched by the hand of God, so...
Yes  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/23/2021 3:59 pm : link
I think Mara went into the season knowing he had the right HC and they would at least have a strong defense. He sees the front office settled without DG moving forward.

There was a question if the QB and OC would be part of the solution and the worst case was having to draft a new QB with a new OC.

Now with the HC getting very fair criticism, Mara realizes the only way out of this is if he purges the entire operation including family members.

A bad loss on Sunday sets the wheels in motion.....
RE: Following Osi’s comment, a 1-7 or 2-8 record  
Go Terps : 9/23/2021 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15380520 cosmicj said:
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eliminated the justification for NOT trading Barkley. He almost has to be shipped out at that point.


At 2-8 it doesn't just stop with Barkley. Everyone that can be traded, should be.
They're going to win on Sunday  
Producer : 9/23/2021 4:03 pm : link
They have more talent than Atlanta and one thing generally true about the Gettleman era is the few games they do win are against minnows, mainly.

I'm not even entertaining the notion they might lose. I just can't imagine it. We are better than Atlanta. If we lose, it's a bigger disaster than I imagined and we'll be headed for a two or three win season.

RE: RE: Following Osi’s comment, a 1-7 or 2-8 record  
Producer : 9/23/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15380556 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15380520 cosmicj said:


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eliminated the justification for NOT trading Barkley. He almost has to be shipped out at that point.



At 2-8 it doesn't just stop with Barkley. Everyone that can be traded, should be.


Would mean Gettleman is fired midseason.
The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
Bear vs Shark : 9/23/2021 4:05 pm : link
in terms of where this franchise ACTUALLY is. Yes, the reaction will be severely different, but this franchise is what it is regardless of the outcome of one specific game.
RE: The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
Producer : 9/23/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15380566 Bear vs Shark said:
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in terms of where this franchise ACTUALLY is. Yes, the reaction will be severely different, but this franchise is what it is regardless of the outcome of one specific game.


true. I hate when teams are eternally net 7/8 wins and then sometimes make a playoff and a first round exit. I'd rather be giant losers and then Super Bowl contenders, dynasty contenders.
It’d be nice  
Joe Beckwith : 9/23/2021 4:11 pm : link
if Graham could dial up an aggressive D, and not bail opponents out on 3rd and 7 by blitzing Martinez so they gain 13 on a slant.
RE: RE: Following Osi’s comment, a 1-7 or 2-8 record  
cosmicj : 9/23/2021 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15380556 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15380520 cosmicj said:


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eliminated the justification for NOT trading Barkley. He almost has to be shipped out at that point.



At 2-8 it doesn't just stop with Barkley. Everyone that can be traded, should be.


I don’t agree. If Thomas plays well in a terrible season, there’s every reason to keep him, because he’s likely to be playing well in 2024 or 25. Not so Barkley, which is why I singled him out.

Really feels like we are at the entrance of a tunnel. Amazing to say.
I'm not itching to trade Thomas either  
Go Terps : 9/23/2021 4:26 pm : link
I just think it's all about to be blown up again and the more this can be stripped down in advance of the next project, the better.

Treat this like an expansion team.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 4:33 pm : link
looking at the schedule and trying to predict where the team will be is pointless. plenty of winnable games, plenty of games we likely wouldn't expect to win at this point.

It all depends on how the team improves from here on out. Obviously - saw an improvement from week 1 to week 2 but the defense was still shitty and we essentially gave the game away at the end.

The talk of 1-7 or 2-8 might give you guys something to feast on but let's see how they respond against Atlanta and go from there.

And anyone who thinks At NO is an automatic loss should be rethinking that statement.
Big game  
Thegratefulhead : 9/23/2021 4:46 pm : link
0-3

Stick the fork in them.

They're done.

Spare me the bad fan bullshit.

Also spare from

"you are going to look really stupid when they make the playoffs"

NO.

At 0-3 the correct take is that they are done.

If a miracle happens and they start winning, you didn't see anything special, you just say the same fucking shit every year and you were right after 10 years.
RE: ...  
Victor in CT : 9/23/2021 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15380585 ryanmkeane said:
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looking at the schedule and trying to predict where the team will be is pointless. plenty of winnable games, plenty of games we likely wouldn't expect to win at this point.

It all depends on how the team improves from here on out. Obviously - saw an improvement from week 1 to week 2 but the defense was still shitty and we essentially gave the game away at the end.

The talk of 1-7 or 2-8 might give you guys something to feast on but let's see how they respond against Atlanta and go from there.

And anyone who thinks At NO is an automatic loss should be rethinking that statement.


True about NO. Are people forgetting that Drew Brees retired and Jameis Winston is playing QB for them?
RE: I'm not itching to trade Thomas either  
Producer : 9/23/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15380579 Go Terps said:
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I just think it's all about to be blown up again and the more this can be stripped down in advance of the next project, the better.

Treat this like an expansion team.


I think you are too pessimistic. They just need the right brain to come in. Not a macho man. Not a grade school gym coach with wind sprints and a whistle. Not a throwback who hears John Facenda in his head as he tries to assemble a throwback 70s team. We need one of the great Offensive minds of the game and build around the right QB who has the talent to come out firing in a modern offense.
RE: I'm not itching to trade Thomas either  
The_Boss : 9/23/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15380579 Go Terps said:
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I just think it's all about to be blown up again and the more this can be stripped down in advance of the next project, the better.

Treat this like an expansion team.


😆

I’m laughing because I agree with you. Should we be 1-9 or 2-8, there has to be a fire sale. Other than maybe 5-10 guys, there aren’t many keepers moving forward.
RE: RE: The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
joeinpa : 9/23/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15380567 Producer said:
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In comment 15380566 Bear vs Shark said:


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in terms of where this franchise ACTUALLY is. Yes, the reaction will be severely different, but this franchise is what it is regardless of the outcome of one specific game.



true. I hate when teams are eternally net 7/8 wins and then sometimes make a playoff and a first round exit. I'd rather be giant losers and then Super Bowl contenders, dynasty contenders.


Totally disagree. A win can change a lot going forward in this season.
People who discount momentum and confidence borne from winning a single game really have little feel for what goes on when you re competing
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Producer : 9/23/2021 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15380595 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15380567 Producer said:


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In comment 15380566 Bear vs Shark said:


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in terms of where this franchise ACTUALLY is. Yes, the reaction will be severely different, but this franchise is what it is regardless of the outcome of one specific game.



true. I hate when teams are eternally net 7/8 wins and then sometimes make a playoff and a first round exit. I'd rather be giant losers and then Super Bowl contenders, dynasty contenders.



Totally disagree. A win can change a lot going forward in this season.
People who discount momentum and confidence borne from winning a single game really have little feel for what goes on when you re competing


Tell that to Vikings fans and a bunch of other teams who have tried to win with subpar QBs. They won a lot of games, played a lot of playoff games. They are never great, I think, because they are too busy trying to be competitive to choose a grand plan. Zimmer is all about defense and running the ball. So they have a mid range QB who will never win them a Super Bowl. The design of the team is wrong and leaves them at long adds to win a championship.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
Producer : 9/23/2021 4:59 pm : link
*long odds
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15380601 Producer said:
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*long odds

Ok - so how did a win or loss last week change anything then?
not to me  
ron mexico : 9/23/2021 5:06 pm : link
a win against a bad atl team wont mean much and a loss will be more of the same.
We don't have to move everyone  
Jerry in_DC : 9/23/2021 5:07 pm : link
We should keep Thomas and other young guys. Maybe even some vets - depending on what the next regime wants.

This was one of Gettlemans many mistakes. He cleared out everyone and left us with nothing. It seems like he didn't even look at the roster.

It's very hard to build a team from nothing. Even if it goes well - which this hasn't - by the time you've filled holes, you're either paying 2nd contracts or guys are aging out.

I'm fine with trading a lot of guys for draft picks, but I we can't burn it completely to the ground.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
ron mexico : 9/23/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15380604 ryanmkeane said:
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*long odds


Ok - so how did a win or loss last week change anything then?


last weeks game just confirmed this is a bad team that will steal defeat from the hands of victory. The same team they were under the last two HCs
No  
pjcas18 : 9/23/2021 5:09 pm : link
it feels like all the other games that on paper the Giants should win.

I'll tell you after if it had a different outcome.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The truth is that a win or a loss doesn't change much  
Producer : 9/23/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15380604 ryanmkeane said:
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*long odds


Ok - so how did a win or loss last week change anything then?


Last week's loss probably doesn't change anything. I'm not one of the people harping on it. I think Jones played a good game, mainly due to his excellent running ability. I still don't think he's the guy, I don't see an elite passer. And I'm not feeling Judge as the answer either. Not until he installs a 21st century passing attack on this team with a monster QB who can be lights out.
I think we figure out another  
rebel yell : 9/23/2021 5:34 pm : link
creative way to lose this one. Call me a pessimist.
Last week was must win...  
GMen72 : 9/23/2021 10:59 pm : link
This week is one win before 5 or 6 losses. The only winnable game through the end of November is Carolina (only because McCaffrey is hurt). Even with a win, this team is headed for 1-7 or 2-6. We've already lost 2 winnable games.
I fully expect Atlanta to win  
DiegoGarcia : 9/23/2021 11:35 pm : link
And I won’t be the least bit upset if/when the Giants are sitting at 0-3 Monday morning.

Let’s be honest - - the Giants don’t have a hope in hell of making the playoffs this year. It’d be MUCH better to finish 1-16 rather than 8-9.

Another loss gets them that much closer to finally euthanizing the incompetent Gettleman. And that’s much closer to a top draft pick next year.
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